McCain can just not get over he lost the election!

PBulldog2 wrote:

Nekochan wrote:Obama probably asked him to go.

That's what I've been thinking, Neko. President Obama either asked McCain to go or tacitly supported the trip. We may never know for certain. It's entirely possible President Obama wanted to put a few degrees of separation between himself and McCain's trip.

Geez.....how difficult is it to see that Senator McCain made this trip to gather information?

PBulldog2 wrote:

Nekochan wrote:Obama probably asked him to go.

That's what I've been thinking, Neko. President Obama either asked McCain to go or tacitly supported the trip. We may never know for certain. It's entirely possible President Obama wanted to put a few degrees of separation between himself and McCain's trip.

Geez.....how difficult is it to see that Senator McCain made this trip to gather information?

Nekochan wrote:Here is what McCain said. The parts in red are very important:

"I want to express my appreciation to the State Department," McCain said in the exclusive CNN interview. "The reality is if they had said no, I wouldn't have made this visit. They were very helpful and cooperative, and I'm grateful."

McCain makes it very clear that he would not have gone without the State Department's approval. If the State Department said "NO" he would not have gone. The State Department answers directly to Obama. Now maybe Obama doesn't want his name directly used regarding McCain's trip, but you can bet that what McCain means is that the Obama Administration knew about AND approved of the trip. That's why McCain said what he said about the State Department. And the State Department doesn't have to help and protect Senators and Congressmen wherever they decide to go.

2seaoat wrote:This was not an official US trip sanctioned by the Obama administration.

Dunce........I mean really.........John McCain is simply a Dunce. To think as a Senator he actually traveled to another country. Who would have thought a Senator would do something so extraordinary.......

I am glad that Dreams is here to give us guidance. To think that he actually coordinated his trip with the State Department just like I posted......

Your post is totally bullshit again and you're more ignorant than what you call other people. Unbelievable!


more ignorant........than what you call other people. Unbelievable...........

yep......been here.....done this before.......

Floridatexan wrote:What his trip may have accomplished is forcing the hand of Putin to provide missiles to the Assad regime...it appears that's exactly what occurred. "Fact-finding"???? How about lighting the fuse to the powder keg?

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Yes, he may have undermined the delicate peace negotiations between the US and Russia and fueled an extension of the Syrian conflict, in which many countries have a stake...the losers here are the Syrians, caught in the bloody middle.

Dreamsglore wrote:

Nekochan wrote:Here is what McCain said. The parts in red are very important:

"I want to express my appreciation to the State Department," McCain said in the exclusive CNN interview. "The reality is if they had said no, I wouldn't have made this visit. They were very helpful and cooperative, and I'm grateful."

McCain makes it very clear that he would not have gone without the State Department's approval. If the State Department said "NO" he would not have gone. The State Department answers directly to Obama. Now maybe Obama doesn't want his name directly used regarding McCain's trip, but you can bet that what McCain means is that the Obama Administration knew about AND approved of the trip. That's why McCain said what he said about the State Department. And the State Department doesn't have to help and protect Senators and Congressmen wherever they decide to go.

That's bullshit! Thye didn't want to let a senator go over there w/o protection. Obama did not approve that trip. You can rest assured. MCcain went on his own.

PkrBum wrote:McCain loves big govt solutions/interventions as much as Obama... how do y'all tell em apart?

boards of FL wrote:

PkrBum wrote:McCain loves big govt solutions/interventions as much as Obama... how do y'all tell em apart?

Fiscal policy, foreign policy, energy policy, homeland security, ...

Nekochan wrote:This story is dated May 20, 2013. McCain met privately with Obama just a week or so before his trip:

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/05/obamas-newest-ally-john-mccain-91601.html?hp=f1


President Barack Obama has an important new ally as emboldened Republicans work to derail his agenda: John McCain.
The shift is striking: The 2008 rivals never got along throughout Obama’s first term in office. McCain has been Obama’s chief tormentor on issues ranging from the budget to Benghazi, tartly saying in late 2010 that the two men had “no relationship.”

Yet during one of Obama’s toughest times as president, there was McCain, sitting down last week with him in the Oval Office for a private strategy session. At the urging of new White House chief of staff Denis McDonough, who has sought better ties with Republicans, Obama has had more substantive discussions with McCain in the past five months than he did in his first four years in office, according to associates of both men. Suddenly, the two are working together on issues ranging from immigration to the deficit.

Dreamsglore wrote:

Nekochan wrote:This story is dated May 20, 2013. McCain met privately with Obama just a week or so before his trip:

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/05/obamas-newest-ally-john-mccain-91601.html?hp=f1


President Barack Obama has an important new ally as emboldened Republicans work to derail his agenda: John McCain.
The shift is striking: The 2008 rivals never got along throughout Obama’s first term in office. McCain has been Obama’s chief tormentor on issues ranging from the budget to Benghazi, tartly saying in late 2010 that the two men had “no relationship.”

Yet during one of Obama’s toughest times as president, there was McCain, sitting down last week with him in the Oval Office for a private strategy session. At the urging of new White House chief of staff Denis McDonough, who has sought better ties with Republicans, Obama has had more substantive discussions with McCain in the past five months than he did in his first four years in office, according to associates of both men. Suddenly, the two are working together on issues ranging from immigration to the deficit.

Really? LOL! Why doesn't Obama just say he sent McCain instead of he was aware? Because he didn't. Obama has a secretary of state to do that and was trying to initiate peace talks w/ them. Obama does not want to arm these people.

"McCain, a Republican, is an outspoken advocate for U.S. military aid to the rebels fighting Syrian President Bashar al-Assad and has angrily denounced Democratic President Barack Obama - McCain's opponent in his failed 2008 presidential race - for shying away from deeper U.S. involvement in the conflict, which has claimed 80,000 lives."

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/30/18604055-mccain-insists-us-weapons-would-help-the-right-people-in-syria-war?lite

Nekochan wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:

Nekochan wrote:This story is dated May 20, 2013. McCain met privately with Obama just a week or so before his trip:

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/05/obamas-newest-ally-john-mccain-91601.html?hp=f1


President Barack Obama has an important new ally as emboldened Republicans work to derail his agenda: John McCain.
The shift is striking: The 2008 rivals never got along throughout Obama’s first term in office. McCain has been Obama’s chief tormentor on issues ranging from the budget to Benghazi, tartly saying in late 2010 that the two men had “no relationship.”

Yet during one of Obama’s toughest times as president, there was McCain, sitting down last week with him in the Oval Office for a private strategy session. At the urging of new White House chief of staff Denis McDonough, who has sought better ties with Republicans, Obama has had more substantive discussions with McCain in the past five months than he did in his first four years in office, according to associates of both men. Suddenly, the two are working together on issues ranging from immigration to the deficit.

Really? LOL! Why doesn't Obama just say he sent McCain instead of he was aware? Because he didn't. Obama has a secretary of state to do that and was trying to initiate peace talks w/ them. Obama does not want to arm these people.

"McCain, a Republican, is an outspoken advocate for U.S. military aid to the rebels fighting Syrian President Bashar al-Assad and has angrily denounced Democratic President Barack Obama - McCain's opponent in his failed 2008 presidential race - for shying away from deeper U.S. involvement in the conflict, which has claimed 80,000 lives."

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/30/18604055-mccain-insists-us-weapons-would-help-the-right-people-in-syria-war?lite

Maybe because most diplomacy is done off the record and behind closed doors.

Dreamsglore wrote:

Nekochan wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:

Nekochan wrote:This story is dated May 20, 2013. McCain met privately with Obama just a week or so before his trip:

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/05/obamas-newest-ally-john-mccain-91601.html?hp=f1


President Barack Obama has an important new ally as emboldened Republicans work to derail his agenda: John McCain.
The shift is striking: The 2008 rivals never got along throughout Obama’s first term in office. McCain has been Obama’s chief tormentor on issues ranging from the budget to Benghazi, tartly saying in late 2010 that the two men had “no relationship.”

Yet during one of Obama’s toughest times as president, there was McCain, sitting down last week with him in the Oval Office for a private strategy session. At the urging of new White House chief of staff Denis McDonough, who has sought better ties with Republicans, Obama has had more substantive discussions with McCain in the past five months than he did in his first four years in office, according to associates of both men. Suddenly, the two are working together on issues ranging from immigration to the deficit.

Really? LOL! Why doesn't Obama just say he sent McCain instead of he was aware? Because he didn't. Obama has a secretary of state to do that and was trying to initiate peace talks w/ them. Obama does not want to arm these people.

"McCain, a Republican, is an outspoken advocate for U.S. military aid to the rebels fighting Syrian President Bashar al-Assad and has angrily denounced Democratic President Barack Obama - McCain's opponent in his failed 2008 presidential race - for shying away from deeper U.S. involvement in the conflict, which has claimed 80,000 lives."

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/30/18604055-mccain-insists-us-weapons-would-help-the-right-people-in-syria-war?lite

Maybe because most diplomacy is done off the record and behind closed doors.

By MCCain who is against Obama? LOL!

2seaoat wrote:What utter lack of knowledge on our constitution and our history.

As a U.S. senator, Fulbright gained much influence during his long tenure (1959-1974) as chairman of the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations. He became a leading critic of U.S. foreign policy, particularly of U.S. involvement in the Vietnam War. By 1963 the problem of Vietnam was beginning to dominate America's external affairs. Long convinced that American fears of communism were being transformed into a positively antirevolutionary posture in Asia, Africa, and Latin America, Fulbright attempted to curb the foreign interventions of the Lyndon Johnson administration. In his 1965 committee hearings on Johnson's decision to send troops into the Dominican Republic, he argued that the President's advisors had exaggerated Communist participation in the Dominican revolution. In 1966 Fulbright's committee conducted a search investigating U.S. involvement in Vietnam and held hearings on U.S. relations with China. Eventually he denied the President's right to send American forces into hostilities without congressional approval. Despite his attacks on the Vietnam War, Fulbright won his fifth term as senator in 1968 with a surprising 59 percent of the Arkansas vote.

During this period of time members of Congress and their staff made hundreds of visits to Viet Nam to gather information and actively challenge the policies of the administration. It is exactly what the Senate Foreign Relations committee should be doing.

Senator McCain was doing the same thing in Libya, but where was the outrage and folks telling him he should not be doing that.......was it because he was very supportive of the no fly zone and the other policies of the President? Senator Fulbright was a strong supporter of the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, but later was instrumental in challenging the extent of Presidential Power in undeclared war situations. Now Secretary of State Kerry constantly was traveling in his capacity as a senator to Iraq and afghanastan and raising issues of our country's policy.....it was his job. During the Berlin Crisis, the Kennedy Administration tacitly used Senator Fullbright to make statements which gave signals to the Soviets that building the Berlin Wall might defuse the Berlin crisis......this all being done from the power of the Foreign Relations committee where there has been a long historical tradition of tension between the executive branch and congress in conducting our foreign policy.....exactly as our founding fathers wanted it...........Ignorance simply abounds.

Nekochan wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:

Nekochan wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:

Nekochan wrote:This story is dated May 20, 2013. McCain met privately with Obama just a week or so before his trip:

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/05/obamas-newest-ally-john-mccain-91601.html?hp=f1


President Barack Obama has an important new ally as emboldened Republicans work to derail his agenda: John McCain.
The shift is striking: The 2008 rivals never got along throughout Obama’s first term in office. McCain has been Obama’s chief tormentor on issues ranging from the budget to Benghazi, tartly saying in late 2010 that the two men had “no relationship.”

Yet during one of Obama’s toughest times as president, there was McCain, sitting down last week with him in the Oval Office for a private strategy session. At the urging of new White House chief of staff Denis McDonough, who has sought better ties with Republicans, Obama has had more substantive discussions with McCain in the past five months than he did in his first four years in office, according to associates of both men. Suddenly, the two are working together on issues ranging from immigration to the deficit.

Really? LOL! Why doesn't Obama just say he sent McCain instead of he was aware? Because he didn't. Obama has a secretary of state to do that and was trying to initiate peace talks w/ them. Obama does not want to arm these people.

"McCain, a Republican, is an outspoken advocate for U.S. military aid to the rebels fighting Syrian President Bashar al-Assad and has angrily denounced Democratic President Barack Obama - McCain's opponent in his failed 2008 presidential race - for shying away from deeper U.S. involvement in the conflict, which has claimed 80,000 lives."

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/30/18604055-mccain-insists-us-weapons-would-help-the-right-people-in-syria-war?lite

Maybe because most diplomacy is done off the record and behind closed doors.

By MCCain who is against Obama? LOL!

How do you explain why Obama is inviting McCain to private strategy meetings at the WH if there is no working relationship between the two?

Nekochan wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:

Nekochan wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:

Nekochan wrote:This story is dated May 20, 2013. McCain met privately with Obama just a week or so before his trip:

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/05/obamas-newest-ally-john-mccain-91601.html?hp=f1


President Barack Obama has an important new ally as emboldened Republicans work to derail his agenda: John McCain.
The shift is striking: The 2008 rivals never got along throughout Obama’s first term in office. McCain has been Obama’s chief tormentor on issues ranging from the budget to Benghazi, tartly saying in late 2010 that the two men had “no relationship.”

Yet during one of Obama’s toughest times as president, there was McCain, sitting down last week with him in the Oval Office for a private strategy session. At the urging of new White House chief of staff Denis McDonough, who has sought better ties with Republicans, Obama has had more substantive discussions with McCain in the past five months than he did in his first four years in office, according to associates of both men. Suddenly, the two are working together on issues ranging from immigration to the deficit.

Really? LOL! Why doesn't Obama just say he sent McCain instead of he was aware? Because he didn't. Obama has a secretary of state to do that and was trying to initiate peace talks w/ them. Obama does not want to arm these people.

"McCain, a Republican, is an outspoken advocate for U.S. military aid to the rebels fighting Syrian President Bashar al-Assad and has angrily denounced Democratic President Barack Obama - McCain's opponent in his failed 2008 presidential race - for shying away from deeper U.S. involvement in the conflict, which has claimed 80,000 lives."

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/30/18604055-mccain-insists-us-weapons-would-help-the-right-people-in-syria-war?lite

Maybe because most diplomacy is done off the record and behind closed doors.

By MCCain who is against Obama? LOL!

How do you explain why Obama is inviting McCain to private strategy meetings at the WH if there is no working relationship between the two?

Dreamsglore wrote:

Nekochan wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:

Nekochan wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:

Nekochan wrote:This story is dated May 20, 2013. McCain met privately with Obama just a week or so before his trip:

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/05/obamas-newest-ally-john-mccain-91601.html?hp=f1


President Barack Obama has an important new ally as emboldened Republicans work to derail his agenda: John McCain.
The shift is striking: The 2008 rivals never got along throughout Obama’s first term in office. McCain has been Obama’s chief tormentor on issues ranging from the budget to Benghazi, tartly saying in late 2010 that the two men had “no relationship.”

Yet during one of Obama’s toughest times as president, there was McCain, sitting down last week with him in the Oval Office for a private strategy session. At the urging of new White House chief of staff Denis McDonough, who has sought better ties with Republicans, Obama has had more substantive discussions with McCain in the past five months than he did in his first four years in office, according to associates of both men. Suddenly, the two are working together on issues ranging from immigration to the deficit.

Really? LOL! Why doesn't Obama just say he sent McCain instead of he was aware? Because he didn't. Obama has a secretary of state to do that and was trying to initiate peace talks w/ them. Obama does not want to arm these people.

"McCain, a Republican, is an outspoken advocate for U.S. military aid to the rebels fighting Syrian President Bashar al-Assad and has angrily denounced Democratic President Barack Obama - McCain's opponent in his failed 2008 presidential race - for shying away from deeper U.S. involvement in the conflict, which has claimed 80,000 lives."

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/30/18604055-mccain-insists-us-weapons-would-help-the-right-people-in-syria-war?lite

Maybe because most diplomacy is done off the record and behind closed doors.

By MCCain who is against Obama? LOL!

How do you explain why Obama is inviting McCain to private strategy meetings at the WH if there is no working relationship between the two?

I didn't say they didn't have a working relationship. I said McCain opposes Obama's stance on Syria.

PBulldog2 wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:

Nekochan wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:

Nekochan wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:

Nekochan wrote:This story is dated May 20, 2013. McCain met privately with Obama just a week or so before his trip:

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/05/obamas-newest-ally-john-mccain-91601.html?hp=f1


President Barack Obama has an important new ally as emboldened Republicans work to derail his agenda: John McCain.
The shift is striking: The 2008 rivals never got along throughout Obama’s first term in office. McCain has been Obama’s chief tormentor on issues ranging from the budget to Benghazi, tartly saying in late 2010 that the two men had “no relationship.”

Yet during one of Obama’s toughest times as president, there was McCain, sitting down last week with him in the Oval Office for a private strategy session. At the urging of new White House chief of staff Denis McDonough, who has sought better ties with Republicans, Obama has had more substantive discussions with McCain in the past five months than he did in his first four years in office, according to associates of both men. Suddenly, the two are working together on issues ranging from immigration to the deficit.

Really? LOL! Why doesn't Obama just say he sent McCain instead of he was aware? Because he didn't. Obama has a secretary of state to do that and was trying to initiate peace talks w/ them. Obama does not want to arm these people.

"McCain, a Republican, is an outspoken advocate for U.S. military aid to the rebels fighting Syrian President Bashar al-Assad and has angrily denounced Democratic President Barack Obama - McCain's opponent in his failed 2008 presidential race - for shying away from deeper U.S. involvement in the conflict, which has claimed 80,000 lives."

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/30/18604055-mccain-insists-us-weapons-would-help-the-right-people-in-syria-war?lite

Maybe because most diplomacy is done off the record and behind closed doors.

By MCCain who is against Obama? LOL!

How do you explain why Obama is inviting McCain to private strategy meetings at the WH if there is no working relationship between the two?

I didn't say they didn't have a working relationship. I said McCain opposes Obama's stance on Syria.

No, you didn't. You said McCain never got over being beaten by Obama. Big difference.

PACEDOG#1 wrote:Nightmares continues to rant...

Nekochan wrote:It's been reported that:
*Obama and McCain have been talking with each other a lot over the past 5 months.
*McCain met Obama in the Oval Office for a private strategy session a week or so before his trip to Syria.
*The White House said it knew about McCain's trip ahead of time.
*The State Department said it knew about McCain's trip ahead of time.
*McCain said that the State Department helped him with security on his trip and that he would not have gone to Syria if the State Department had told him "No".


So I still believe that either Obama asked McCain to go or that McCain told Obama he'd liked to go and Obama signed off on it. I believe that Obama not only knew about the trip but that he approved of it. Until I see any reports or evidence that Obama expressed unhappiness about McCain's trip, I will believe that the two men talked about this trip ahead of time and that McCain had Obama's blessing.