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McCain can just not get over he lost the election!
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2 Re: McCain can just not get over he lost the election! 5/27/2013, 10:27 pm
Sal
Dreamsglore wrote:http://www.pnj.com/usatoday/article/2363911
Who asked him to do this?
Meet the Press.
3 Re: McCain can just not get over he lost the election! 5/28/2013, 8:04 am
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Sal wrote:Dreamsglore wrote:http://www.pnj.com/usatoday/article/2363911
Who asked him to do this?
Meet the Press.
He's the ranking member of the Armed Forces Committee...may be good to know those that make-up the leadership of the rebel forces...
4 Re: McCain can just not get over he lost the election! 5/28/2013, 10:44 pm
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newswatcher wrote:Sal wrote:Dreamsglore wrote:http://www.pnj.com/usatoday/article/2363911
Who asked him to do this?
Meet the Press.
He's the ranking member of the Armed Forces Committee...may be good to know those that make-up the leadership of the rebel forces...
LOL! How ridiculous! Like he's going to be able to do anything.
5 Re: McCain can just not get over he lost the election! 5/29/2013, 7:48 am
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Dreamsglore wrote:http://www.pnj.com/usatoday/article/2363911
Who asked him to do this?
Obama's lack of leadership really bothers you, huh?
6 Re: McCain can just not get over he lost the election! 5/29/2013, 11:50 am
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PACEDOG#1 wrote:Dreamsglore wrote:http://www.pnj.com/usatoday/article/2363911
Who asked him to do this?
Obama's lack of leadership really bothers you, huh?
'nightmare' once again displays ignorance and/or the inability to comprehend the issue at hand...first it has nothing to do with the lost election matter of fact there are some that McCain and the cowh get along two much...McCain did what should have been done much earlier...meet with the rebel forces and their leadership...The only thing that McCain can do is to get information to pass along to the administration...Now if he went there and citicized the administration's policies and attempted to represent himself as a spokesman for the administration then that would have been wrong...Lastly...there were a couple of reports that McCain had secretly met with the cowh (prior to this trip)...perhaps they discussed this trip...
7 Re: McCain can just not get over he lost the election! 5/29/2013, 12:14 pm
Sal
newswatcher wrote:
McCain did what should have been done much earlier...meet with the rebel forces and their leadership...
This is just one front in a large and bloody religious war.
In Syria, you have Hezbollah backing the Hasad regime, which means this conflict will inevitably spill over into Lebanon.
The rebels are overwhelmingly Sunni fighters who are steeped in anti-Western ideology and sympathize with Al Qaeda.
This conflict has tentacles that reach into Iraq and Iran.
It is a regional conflict between different versions of Islam and against the West and its interests.
This is the mess in which John McCain is so eager to get involved.
No thanks.
8 Re: McCain can just not get over he lost the election! 5/29/2013, 12:17 pm
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Sal wrote:newswatcher wrote:
McCain did what should have been done much earlier...meet with the rebel forces and their leadership...
This is just one front in a large and bloody religious war.
In Syria, you have Hezbollah backing the Hasad regime, which means this conflict will inevitably spill over into Lebanon.
The rebels are overwhelmingly Sunni fighters who are steeped in anti-Western ideology and sympathize with Al Qaeda.
This conflict has tentacles that reach into Iraq and Iran.
It is a regional conflict between different versions of Islam and against the West and its interests.
This is the mess in which John McCain is so eager to get involved.
No thanks.
According to reports the cowh has asked the pentagon for 'no-fly' plan in Syria....McCain is for supporting the rebels...This may be a situation we can avoid before getting too involved....Let the worthless UN do some of the heavy lifting...Keep our forces out of this...
9 Re: McCain can just not get over he lost the election! 5/29/2013, 4:42 pm
Floridatexan
It's much worse than a "regional" conflict.
10 Re: McCain can just not get over he lost the election! 5/29/2013, 5:14 pm
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I don't want John McCain over there making deals and talking talk that he's not authorized to make or speak. He's not the POTUS or the Secretary of State so he needs to keep his wrinkled old ass right there in his Senate Seat doing what he's paid to do.
11 Re: McCain can just not get over he lost the election! 5/29/2013, 6:50 pm
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bluemoon wrote:I don't want John McCain over there making deals and talking talk that he's not authorized to make or speak. He's not the POTUS or the Secretary of State so he needs to keep his wrinkled old ass right there in his Senate Seat doing what he's paid to do.
Exactly! He has no business going over there and doing that. He is undermining the President.
12 Re: McCain can just not get over he lost the election! 5/30/2013, 8:14 am
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bluemoon wrote:I don't want John McCain over there making deals and talking talk that he's not authorized to make or speak. He's not the POTUS or the Secretary of State so he needs to keep his wrinkled old ass right there in his Senate Seat doing what he's paid to do.
He can't make it any worse than what Obama has done with the Arab Spring. At least McCain is actually showing leadership and doing something. What is Obama doing aside from sending the Yeti on more vacations and playing golf?
13 Re: McCain can just not get over he lost the election! 5/30/2013, 8:51 am
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Dreamsglore wrote:bluemoon wrote:I don't want John McCain over there making deals and talking talk that he's not authorized to make or speak. He's not the POTUS or the Secretary of State so he needs to keep his wrinkled old ass right there in his Senate Seat doing what he's paid to do.
Exactly! He has no business going over there and doing that. He is undermining the President.
What 'deals' did he exactly make?...How did this or any congressional junket do to undermind the cowh?...Is there even any evidence that the cowh or his administration took exception to this trip or was it approved for the senator to gather information about the rebels and their leadership?...Again...after this trip the cowh is reported to have had the pentagon get plans for a no fly zone in Syria...is this maybe based on findings from the trip to assist the rebels?...If the cowh was upset about this trip does anyone believe he'd have already expressed displeasure?....'nightmare' just can't except that there's even a possibility that the senator and the cowh may have been agreeable about the trip...
14 Re: McCain can just not get over he lost the election! 5/30/2013, 9:56 am
2seaoat
What utter lack of knowledge on our constitution and our history.
As a U.S. senator, Fulbright gained much influence during his long tenure (1959-1974) as chairman of the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations. He became a leading critic of U.S. foreign policy, particularly of U.S. involvement in the Vietnam War. By 1963 the problem of Vietnam was beginning to dominate America's external affairs. Long convinced that American fears of communism were being transformed into a positively antirevolutionary posture in Asia, Africa, and Latin America, Fulbright attempted to curb the foreign interventions of the Lyndon Johnson administration. In his 1965 committee hearings on Johnson's decision to send troops into the Dominican Republic, he argued that the President's advisors had exaggerated Communist participation in the Dominican revolution. In 1966 Fulbright's committee conducted a search investigating U.S. involvement in Vietnam and held hearings on U.S. relations with China. Eventually he denied the President's right to send American forces into hostilities without congressional approval. Despite his attacks on the Vietnam War, Fulbright won his fifth term as senator in 1968 with a surprising 59 percent of the Arkansas vote.
During this period of time members of Congress and their staff made hundreds of visits to Viet Nam to gather information and actively challenge the policies of the administration. It is exactly what the Senate Foreign Relations committee should be doing.
Senator McCain was doing the same thing in Libya, but where was the outrage and folks telling him he should not be doing that.......was it because he was very supportive of the no fly zone and the other policies of the President? Senator Fulbright was a strong supporter of the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, but later was instrumental in challenging the extent of Presidential Power in undeclared war situations. Now Secretary of State Kerry constantly was traveling in his capacity as a senator to Iraq and afghanastan and raising issues of our country's policy.....it was his job. During the Berlin Crisis, the Kennedy Administration tacitly used Senator Fullbright to make statements which gave signals to the Soviets that building the Berlin Wall might defuse the Berlin crisis......this all being done from the power of the Foreign Relations committee where there has been a long historical tradition of tension between the executive branch and congress in conducting our foreign policy.....exactly as our founding fathers wanted it...........Ignorance simply abounds.
As a U.S. senator, Fulbright gained much influence during his long tenure (1959-1974) as chairman of the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations. He became a leading critic of U.S. foreign policy, particularly of U.S. involvement in the Vietnam War. By 1963 the problem of Vietnam was beginning to dominate America's external affairs. Long convinced that American fears of communism were being transformed into a positively antirevolutionary posture in Asia, Africa, and Latin America, Fulbright attempted to curb the foreign interventions of the Lyndon Johnson administration. In his 1965 committee hearings on Johnson's decision to send troops into the Dominican Republic, he argued that the President's advisors had exaggerated Communist participation in the Dominican revolution. In 1966 Fulbright's committee conducted a search investigating U.S. involvement in Vietnam and held hearings on U.S. relations with China. Eventually he denied the President's right to send American forces into hostilities without congressional approval. Despite his attacks on the Vietnam War, Fulbright won his fifth term as senator in 1968 with a surprising 59 percent of the Arkansas vote.
During this period of time members of Congress and their staff made hundreds of visits to Viet Nam to gather information and actively challenge the policies of the administration. It is exactly what the Senate Foreign Relations committee should be doing.
Senator McCain was doing the same thing in Libya, but where was the outrage and folks telling him he should not be doing that.......was it because he was very supportive of the no fly zone and the other policies of the President? Senator Fulbright was a strong supporter of the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, but later was instrumental in challenging the extent of Presidential Power in undeclared war situations. Now Secretary of State Kerry constantly was traveling in his capacity as a senator to Iraq and afghanastan and raising issues of our country's policy.....it was his job. During the Berlin Crisis, the Kennedy Administration tacitly used Senator Fullbright to make statements which gave signals to the Soviets that building the Berlin Wall might defuse the Berlin crisis......this all being done from the power of the Foreign Relations committee where there has been a long historical tradition of tension between the executive branch and congress in conducting our foreign policy.....exactly as our founding fathers wanted it...........Ignorance simply abounds.
15 Re: McCain can just not get over he lost the election! 5/30/2013, 10:09 am
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2seaoat wrote:What utter lack of knowledge on our constitution and our history.
As a U.S. senator, Fulbright gained much influence during his long tenure (1959-1974) as chairman of the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations. He became a leading critic of U.S. foreign policy, particularly of U.S. involvement in the Vietnam War. By 1963 the problem of Vietnam was beginning to dominate America's external affairs. Long convinced that American fears of communism were being transformed into a positively antirevolutionary posture in Asia, Africa, and Latin America, Fulbright attempted to curb the foreign interventions of the Lyndon Johnson administration. In his 1965 committee hearings on Johnson's decision to send troops into the Dominican Republic, he argued that the President's advisors had exaggerated Communist participation in the Dominican revolution. In 1966 Fulbright's committee conducted a search investigating U.S. involvement in Vietnam and held hearings on U.S. relations with China. Eventually he denied the President's right to send American forces into hostilities without congressional approval. Despite his attacks on the Vietnam War, Fulbright won his fifth term as senator in 1968 with a surprising 59 percent of the Arkansas vote.
During this period of time members of Congress and their staff made hundreds of visits to Viet Nam to gather information and actively challenge the policies of the administration. It is exactly what the Senate Foreign Relations committee should be doing.
Senator McCain was doing the same thing in Libya, but where was the outrage and folks telling him he should not be doing that.......was it because he was very supportive of the no fly zone and the other policies of the President? Senator Fulbright was a strong supporter of the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, but later was instrumental in challenging the extent of Presidential Power in undeclared war situations. Now Secretary of State Kerry constantly was traveling in his capacity as a senator to Iraq and afghanastan and raising issues of our country's policy.....it was his job. During the Berlin Crisis, the Kennedy Administration tacitly used Senator Fullbright to make statements which gave signals to the Soviets that building the Berlin Wall might defuse the Berlin crisis......this all being done from the power of the Foreign Relations committee where there has been a long historical tradition of tension between the executive branch and congress in conducting our foreign policy.....exactly as our founding fathers wanted it...........Ignorance simply abounds.
Remember the poster....'nightmare'....think history can be explained or the ability to comprehend?...Read some past posts...no hope....
16 Re: McCain can just not get over he lost the election! 5/30/2013, 10:26 am
2seaoat
Read some past posts...no hope....
I argue she makes some of the bests posts on this forum, but when she is wrong she simply never has the capacity to expand her views. Here she is arguing that McCain is somehow overstepping the boundaries of our constitutional structure.....he is not. He met with our deceased Ambassador and Libyan rebels and was instrumental in getting senate support for the President......all the while criticizing the President for not doing more........also, do not underestimate the President, Kerry, and McCain working in conjunction on this matter, even though public statements may indicate just the opposite......the Berlin crisis is a prime example of the Executive using senators to help in their policy goals in international relations. John McCain is doing his job......yes he lost the election, but to suggest he has somehow crossed over his jurisdictional authority to investigate is simply ignorance on steroids.
I argue she makes some of the bests posts on this forum, but when she is wrong she simply never has the capacity to expand her views. Here she is arguing that McCain is somehow overstepping the boundaries of our constitutional structure.....he is not. He met with our deceased Ambassador and Libyan rebels and was instrumental in getting senate support for the President......all the while criticizing the President for not doing more........also, do not underestimate the President, Kerry, and McCain working in conjunction on this matter, even though public statements may indicate just the opposite......the Berlin crisis is a prime example of the Executive using senators to help in their policy goals in international relations. John McCain is doing his job......yes he lost the election, but to suggest he has somehow crossed over his jurisdictional authority to investigate is simply ignorance on steroids.
17 Re: McCain can just not get over he lost the election! 5/30/2013, 10:31 am
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2seaoat wrote:Read some past posts...no hope....
I argue she makes some of the bests posts on this forum, but when she is wrong she simply never has the capacity to expand her views. Here she is arguing that McCain is somehow overstepping the boundaries of our constitutional structure.....he is not. He met with our deceased Ambassador and Libyan rebels and was instrumental in getting senate support for the President......all the while criticizing the President for not doing more........also, do not underestimate the President, Kerry, and McCain working in conjunction on this matter, even though public statements may indicate just the opposite......the Berlin crisis is a prime example of the Executive using senators to help in their policy goals in international relations. John McCain is doing his job......yes he lost the election, but to suggest he has somehow crossed over his jurisdictional authority to investigate is simply ignorance on steroids.
Believe that the cowh and Kerry both were aware of the trip...but to somehow attempt to link to can't get over losing the election is typical of 'nightmares' posts...
18 Re: McCain can just not get over he lost the election! 5/30/2013, 7:22 pm
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2seaoat wrote:Read some past posts...no hope....
I argue she makes some of the bests posts on this forum, but when she is wrong she simply never has the capacity to expand her views. Here she is arguing that McCain is somehow overstepping the boundaries of our constitutional structure.....he is not. He met with our deceased Ambassador and Libyan rebels and was instrumental in getting senate support for the President......all the while criticizing the President for not doing more........also, do not underestimate the President, Kerry, and McCain working in conjunction on this matter, even though public statements may indicate just the opposite......the Berlin crisis is a prime example of the Executive using senators to help in their policy goals in international relations. John McCain is doing his job......yes he lost the election, but to suggest he has somehow crossed over his jurisdictional authority to investigate is simply ignorance on steroids.
Are you serious? You think Obama wanted McCain going over there and meeting w/ those rebels? WTH is the secretary of state for? It is not John McCain's job to go over to a war ravaged country and try to mend things. If Obama wanted someone doing that he would have sent them.Your post is totally bullshit again and you're more ignorant than what you call other people. Unbelievable!
19 Re: McCain can just not get over he lost the election! 5/30/2013, 7:27 pm
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newswatcher wrote:2seaoat wrote:Read some past posts...no hope....
I argue she makes some of the bests posts on this forum, but when she is wrong she simply never has the capacity to expand her views. Here she is arguing that McCain is somehow overstepping the boundaries of our constitutional structure.....he is not. He met with our deceased Ambassador and Libyan rebels and was instrumental in getting senate support for the President......all the while criticizing the President for not doing more........also, do not underestimate the President, Kerry, and McCain working in conjunction on this matter, even though public statements may indicate just the opposite......the Berlin crisis is a prime example of the Executive using senators to help in their policy goals in international relations. John McCain is doing his job......yes he lost the election, but to suggest he has somehow crossed over his jurisdictional authority to investigate is simply ignorance on steroids.
Believe that the cowh and Kerry both were aware of the trip...but to somehow attempt to link to can't get over losing the election is typical of 'nightmares' posts...
You're damn right, it's typical of my posts. To think a senator from Arizona is justified in going over there and doing that w/o any official sanction from the US is friggin absurd.THE WH could not have stopped MCCain but you better believe they didn't condone it. Who the hell does he think he is anyway?
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/05/29/1212494/-Idiotic-Sen-McCain-goes-to-Syria-and-meets-with-kidnappers
20 Re: McCain can just not get over he lost the election! 5/30/2013, 8:58 pm
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Ditz,
What is Obama doing on Syria peace talks? Oh about ZERO.
What is Obama doing on Syria peace talks? Oh about ZERO.
21 Re: McCain can just not get over he lost the election! 5/30/2013, 10:02 pm
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PACEDOG#1 wrote:Ditz,
What is Obama doing on Syria peace talks? Oh about ZERO.
That's typical of your knowledge-ignorant and uninformed.
22 Re: McCain can just not get over he lost the election! 5/30/2013, 10:26 pm
2seaoat
It is not John McCain's job to go over to a war ravaged country and try to mend things.
Wow......I need to savor this.........I need to let it roll around a bit........so you think John McCain's purpose in going to Syria.....was to "mend" things......really?........I mean......where do I start.......nope.....I think I will simply let your words stand on their merits...........I just cannot figure how you try to connect dots, and how you process concepts.....I simply do not know where you pull your conclusions from......an ether zone where you take a butterfly net and enter a Senator's mind......and figure that collecting information from the field is the same as mending things.......your deductive reasoning is one of a kind.......he went there to mend things.....well no wonder you are upset.
Wow......I need to savor this.........I need to let it roll around a bit........so you think John McCain's purpose in going to Syria.....was to "mend" things......really?........I mean......where do I start.......nope.....I think I will simply let your words stand on their merits...........I just cannot figure how you try to connect dots, and how you process concepts.....I simply do not know where you pull your conclusions from......an ether zone where you take a butterfly net and enter a Senator's mind......and figure that collecting information from the field is the same as mending things.......your deductive reasoning is one of a kind.......he went there to mend things.....well no wonder you are upset.
23 Re: McCain can just not get over he lost the election! 5/30/2013, 10:34 pm
Nekochan
Obama probably asked him to go.
24 Re: McCain can just not get over he lost the election! 5/30/2013, 10:46 pm
Nekochan
Here you go--the State Department helped McCain. That says it all. He did not plan this trip behind Obama's back.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/05/29/syria-visit-steels-mccains-resolve/
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/05/29/syria-visit-steels-mccains-resolve/
25 Re: McCain can just not get over he lost the election! 5/30/2013, 10:49 pm
2seaoat
Obama probably asked him to go.
c
Could be.....but certainly our historic close ties with Turkey and the Senate Foreign Relations committee being so important to our aid to Turkey, I am sure security for the Senator is a high priority which McCain being very experienced in the information collecting missions knows enough to coordinate with State, CIA, and Turkey on his planned mission. I know he talked about staying with the Ambassador prior to the Ambassador's death and the close personal relationship he developed with the same during his investigations in Libya, and certainly the Ambassador was State, and of course CIA knew the routine, and the Committee does not fund its own private army to protect these Senators when they are traveling and collecting information. McCain was critical in Libya when people started getting partisan about our assistance in that theater, and his experience and the contacts he had made in Syria helped the President stay the course and find a successful resolution to MR. K. This idea that McCain was in Syria to "mend" things is simply sophomoric logic without understanding his career in the senate. Both he and Kerry took very active rolls from the committee collecting information. I really wish they would hold a committee hearing discussing some of the issues facing America in Syria......certainly a closed door meeting where the senate can get on board on our actions or inactions in Syria.
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Could be.....but certainly our historic close ties with Turkey and the Senate Foreign Relations committee being so important to our aid to Turkey, I am sure security for the Senator is a high priority which McCain being very experienced in the information collecting missions knows enough to coordinate with State, CIA, and Turkey on his planned mission. I know he talked about staying with the Ambassador prior to the Ambassador's death and the close personal relationship he developed with the same during his investigations in Libya, and certainly the Ambassador was State, and of course CIA knew the routine, and the Committee does not fund its own private army to protect these Senators when they are traveling and collecting information. McCain was critical in Libya when people started getting partisan about our assistance in that theater, and his experience and the contacts he had made in Syria helped the President stay the course and find a successful resolution to MR. K. This idea that McCain was in Syria to "mend" things is simply sophomoric logic without understanding his career in the senate. Both he and Kerry took very active rolls from the committee collecting information. I really wish they would hold a committee hearing discussing some of the issues facing America in Syria......certainly a closed door meeting where the senate can get on board on our actions or inactions in Syria.
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