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What do you think of the Supreme Court's decision re the Affordable Care Act?

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boards of FL

boards of FL
alecto wrote:
boards of FL wrote:
How are you reaching this conclusion?

Like I said, it will not effect rich people they have the money, it will not effect poor people they will get it for free.

http://www.smartmoney.com/taxes/income/what-obamacare-may-mean-for-taxes-1335896160486/

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303561504577494472052048242.html

http://dailycaller.com/2012/06/28/with-court-ruling-1-7-trillion-obamacare-tax-now-violates-obamas-2008-tax-pledge/

http://www.forbes.com/sites/danielfisher/2012/06/28/supreme-court-upholds-healthcare-law-what-it-means/

The question is how is this the largest tax increase in American history?

Guest


Guest
boards of FL wrote:
The question is how is this the largest tax increase in American history?

Read the links.

RealLindaL


Floridatexan wrote:
In the short term, there will be problems as the kinks get ironed out, just as there are whenever there's a major change in the law. In the long term, the people of the US will benefit, and there will be cost savings because of a larger pool of insureds and because prevention and early detection are the real keys to health care. The benefits to the people FAR OUTWEIGH any economic drain, which will be only temporary. And it beats the hell out of buying mansions and yachts for a bunch of executives.

Very well stated, Floridatexan, and I concur in all respects. I know too many people, especially the self-employed (including my own dear son, some years back) who couldve found affordable health insurance if they'd given it even the least amount of effort, but who just did not see it as a priority in their lives. (Read: they didn't want to spend the money on premiums when they could buy toys instead.) Some said they couldn't afford it -- one even said "I don't believe in it," which is a shameless cop-out, IMHO. But it's OK for the REST of us to pick up their bills and pay huge premiums to make up for their decision not to participate but instead to stiff the hospitals or apply for Medicaid (our tax dollars at work). It's high time everyone pitched in and paid for this NECESSITY of life that every single person will use at some point during his/her existence in this world. I'm gratified the act passed and hope against hope it survives. Any minor glitches can be tweaked over time.
Oh, and Romney is the biggest hypocrite on the face of the earth for pretending to hate, and for promising to kill, the very plan he CHAMPIONED as governor in his own home state. Give me a friggin' break!!

gulfbeachbandit

gulfbeachbandit
Unemployment will reach 10% again. Soon. Employers don't want to deal with it. Thats why republicans were against it. We want to create jobs.

VectorMan

VectorMan
This is a long way from being resolved. Now it becomes a challenge. November will be very telling.

Markle

Markle
RealLindaL wrote:
Floridatexan wrote:
In the short term, there will be problems as the kinks get ironed out, just as there are whenever there's a major change in the law. In the long term, the people of the US will benefit, and there will be cost savings because of a larger pool of insureds and because prevention and early detection are the real keys to health care. The benefits to the people FAR OUTWEIGH any economic drain, which will be only temporary. And it beats the hell out of buying mansions and yachts for a bunch of executives.

Very well stated, Floridatexan, and I concur in all respects. I know too many people, especially the self-employed (including my own dear son, some years back) who couldve found affordable health insurance if they'd given it even the least amount of effort, but who just did not see it as a priority in their lives. (Read: they didn't want to spend the money on premiums when they could buy toys instead.) Some said they couldn't afford it -- one even said "I don't believe in it," which is a shameless cop-out, IMHO. But it's OK for the REST of us to pick up their bills and pay huge premiums to make up for their decision not to participate but instead to stiff the hospitals or apply for Medicaid (our tax dollars at work). It's high time everyone pitched in and paid for this NECESSITY of life that every single person will use at some point during his/her existence in this world. I'm gratified the act passed and hope against hope it survives. Any minor glitches can be tweaked over time.
Oh, and Romney is the biggest hypocrite on the face of the earth for pretending to hate, and for promising to kill, the very plan he CHAMPIONED as governor in his own home state. Give me a friggin' break!!

Do you know the difference between the Constitution of the United State and the individual states?

Markle

Markle
Slicef18 wrote:This piece of legislation will mirror both Social Security and Medicare in that it will go through a fairly long period of adjustments as the players involved find shortcomings in the law as written that need accommodating. Just as before with both Social Security and Medicare, there will be a fairly loud push-back from the people of "NO." and the herd that follow and swallow the Limbaugh, Hannity and Coulter miasma de jour.

We should have learned something.

Where will all this money come from? Please don't say the "RICH", they don't have anywhere NEAR this much money.

Current Debt . . . $15.3+ TRILLION Plus the $1.3 TRILLION proposed by President Barack Hussein Obama for 2013. (No budget approved)

Unfunded Liabilities (money we have PROMISED, do not have, nor do we have it coming in)

Social Security. . . . $15.4 TRILLION (10,000 Baby Boomers RETIRE EVERY DAY) (How many workers are entering the job market daily?)

Prescription Drugs .$20.4 TRILLION

Medicare. . . . . . . . $81.0 TRILLION

Total Unfunded Liabilities $116.8 TRILLION!

Number of Households in 2010 = 112,611,029

Unfunded Liability Per household $1,037,198.00

PLUS ObamaCare and Untold TRILLIONS more in TAXES

Slicef18

Slicef18
ghandi wrote:Unemployment will reach 10% again. Soon. Employers don't want to deal with it. Thats why republicans were against it. We want to create jobs.

Everyone wants to create jobs. That is a feel good statement. In the meantime there the 900 pound gorilla in the room and his name is "healthcare." We have more and more people showing up at the E.R.'s getting healthcare in the most expensive manner, and then not paying for any of it. The good news is their healthcare "is" being paid for. The bad news is, it's you and I who are paying their bill. Under the Obama plan that is going to stop. This is but one of the reasons America is 16th in the world for quality of it's healthcare. That wouldn't be all that bad if America's healthcare costs were 16th in the world. But it's not. We pay more than any other nation for healthcare that is only 16th. In the tight economy of today, that and our military budget is killing our economy.

Sal

Sal
Markle wrote:Largest Tax Increase in the History of the World.


Your candidate says you're full of shit.



Very Happy

boards of FL

boards of FL
alecto wrote:
boards of FL wrote:
The question is how is this the largest tax increase in American history?

Read the links.


I did. None of them support the idea that the recent healthcare legislation is the largest tax in American history. One of them quotes an unnamed republican senator who merely states this, but there is no back up for such a claim.

I'm merely trying to separate talking points from reality. I think it is clear on which side your claim falls now.

VectorMan

VectorMan
FIVE REASONS WHY THE OBAMACARE DECISION MIGHT NOT BE AS BAD AS YOU THINK

Romney has been handed an issue where 60 percent of the voting public agree with him and told to run with it. The reaction of many people who previously were skeptical of Romney shows just how powerful this is – he has transformed from the problematic standard bearer of a party that might potentially have to face thorny questions on health care to the anti-Obamacare candidate: Anti-mandate, anti-massive tax on the middle class, and pro-liberty. Some have claimed his own law in Massachusetts will end up being used against him in this case. If that’s true, we’re at a loss for who could possibly use it. The Obama administration has to run on their record, and the fact of the matter is that running on a law that imposes a massive, unpopular tax on the whole country, is going to look a heck of a lot worse than running while disowning a previous experiment with the idea at the state level and promising to do away with the national version once elected. Romney’s moment of heresy was years ago. Obama’s is right now.

Do these reasons presuppose a massive gamble on Roberts’ part? Absolutely. Could things go ruinously wrong if the makeup of the Court shifts to the Left after this decision? Yes. Could things go ruinously wrong if Mitt Romney doesn’t win in November? Obviously. But this decision could still turn out to be the nail in the coffin of the Obama Presidency. Or, perhaps more appropriately, this Court could be the death panel that decides it‘s time for Obama’s administration to end its life.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/five-reasons-why-the-obamacare-decision-might-not-be-as-bad-as-you-think/

Sal

Sal
VectorMan wrote:FIVE REASONS WHY THE OBAMACARE DECISION MIGHT NOT BE AS BAD AS YOU THINK

Romney has been handed an issue where 60 percent of the voting public agree with him and told to run with it. The reaction of many people who previously were skeptical of Romney shows just how powerful this is – he has transformed from the problematic standard bearer of a party that might potentially have to face thorny questions on health care to the anti-Obamacare candidate: Anti-mandate, anti-massive tax on the middle class, and pro-liberty. Some have claimed his own law in Massachusetts will end up being used against him in this case. If that’s true, we’re at a loss for who could possibly use it. The Obama administration has to run on their record, and the fact of the matter is that running on a law that imposes a massive, unpopular tax on the whole country, is going to look a heck of a lot worse than running while disowning a previous experiment with the idea at the state level and promising to do away with the national version once elected. Romney’s moment of heresy was years ago. Obama’s is right now.

Do these reasons presuppose a massive gamble on Roberts’ part? Absolutely. Could things go ruinously wrong if the makeup of the Court shifts to the Left after this decision? Yes. Could things go ruinously wrong if Mitt Romney doesn’t win in November? Obviously. But this decision could still turn out to be the nail in the coffin of the Obama Presidency. Or, perhaps more appropriately, this Court could be the death panel that decides it‘s time for Obama’s administration to end its life.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/five-reasons-why-the-obamacare-decision-might-not-be-as-bad-as-you-think/

LOL! The law which you've been shrieking about being the end of the United States as we know it may not be so bad because it will allow for the election of the Republican politician who pioneered it? There's some sound reasoning. scratch

boards of FL

boards of FL
salinsky wrote:
VectorMan wrote:FIVE REASONS WHY THE OBAMACARE DECISION MIGHT NOT BE AS BAD AS YOU THINK

Romney has been handed an issue where 60 percent of the voting public agree with him and told to run with it. The reaction of many people who previously were skeptical of Romney shows just how powerful this is – he has transformed from the problematic standard bearer of a party that might potentially have to face thorny questions on health care to the anti-Obamacare candidate: Anti-mandate, anti-massive tax on the middle class, and pro-liberty. Some have claimed his own law in Massachusetts will end up being used against him in this case. If that’s true, we’re at a loss for who could possibly use it. The Obama administration has to run on their record, and the fact of the matter is that running on a law that imposes a massive, unpopular tax on the whole country, is going to look a heck of a lot worse than running while disowning a previous experiment with the idea at the state level and promising to do away with the national version once elected. Romney’s moment of heresy was years ago. Obama’s is right now.

Do these reasons presuppose a massive gamble on Roberts’ part? Absolutely. Could things go ruinously wrong if the makeup of the Court shifts to the Left after this decision? Yes. Could things go ruinously wrong if Mitt Romney doesn’t win in November? Obviously. But this decision could still turn out to be the nail in the coffin of the Obama Presidency. Or, perhaps more appropriately, this Court could be the death panel that decides it‘s time for Obama’s administration to end its life.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/five-reasons-why-the-obamacare-decision-might-not-be-as-bad-as-you-think/

LOL! The law which you've been shrieking about being the end of the United States as we know it may not be so bad because it will allow for the election of the Republican politician who pioneered it? There's some sound reasoning. scratch

Even when a republican idea is adopted merely for the sake of compromise and finding some middle ground, republicans cry socialism or marxism.

Obama could come out tomorrow and state child predators are bad. Republicans would immediately hit the airwaves defending child predators. The substance behind anything democrats - or, liberals - say these days is irrelevant. Republicans simply take the opposite side no matter what the cause.

Guest


Guest
EVERYONE IS FUCKED!

THIS WILL STIFLE JOB GROWTH IN THE LARGEST ECONOMY WE HAVE LEFT IN THIS COUNTRY, HEALTHCARE.

STRAGELATION IS UPON US.

PRICES WILL INCREASE.

REGULATION WILL STRAGLE US

LINES WILL BE LONG

AND PEOPLE WILL DIE

I say this not as a republican, but as a healthcare professional.

personally im gonna laugh my ass off when the mandate kicks in Twisted Evil



SUCKERS!

Slicef18

Slicef18
wild_thing wrote:EVERYONE IS FUCKED!

THIS WILL STIFLE JOB GROWTH IN THE LARGEST ECONOMY WE HAVE LEFT IN THIS COUNTRY, HEALTHCARE.

STRAGELATION IS UPON US.

PRICES WILL INCREASE.

REGULATION WILL STRAGLE US

LINES WILL BE LONG

AND PEOPLE WILL DIE

I say this not as a republican, but as a healthcare professional.

personally im gonna laugh my ass off when the mandate kicks in Twisted Evil



SUCKERS!

You may be in healthcare, but you surely are no professional. More likely someone from housekeeping or grounds keeping given your grammar, spelling and sentence structure.

VectorMan

VectorMan
boards of FL wrote:
salinsky wrote:
VectorMan wrote:FIVE REASONS WHY THE OBAMACARE DECISION MIGHT NOT BE AS BAD AS YOU THINK

Romney has been handed an issue where 60 percent of the voting public agree with him and told to run with it. The reaction of many people who previously were skeptical of Romney shows just how powerful this is – he has transformed from the problematic standard bearer of a party that might potentially have to face thorny questions on health care to the anti-Obamacare candidate: Anti-mandate, anti-massive tax on the middle class, and pro-liberty. Some have claimed his own law in Massachusetts will end up being used against him in this case. If that’s true, we’re at a loss for who could possibly use it. The Obama administration has to run on their record, and the fact of the matter is that running on a law that imposes a massive, unpopular tax on the whole country, is going to look a heck of a lot worse than running while disowning a previous experiment with the idea at the state level and promising to do away with the national version once elected. Romney’s moment of heresy was years ago. Obama’s is right now.

Do these reasons presuppose a massive gamble on Roberts’ part? Absolutely. Could things go ruinously wrong if the makeup of the Court shifts to the Left after this decision? Yes. Could things go ruinously wrong if Mitt Romney doesn’t win in November? Obviously. But this decision could still turn out to be the nail in the coffin of the Obama Presidency. Or, perhaps more appropriately, this Court could be the death panel that decides it‘s time for Obama’s administration to end its life.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/five-reasons-why-the-obamacare-decision-might-not-be-as-bad-as-you-think/

LOL! The law which you've been shrieking about being the end of the United States as we know it may not be so bad because it will allow for the election of the Republican politician who pioneered it? There's some sound reasoning. scratch

Even when a republican idea is adopted merely for the sake of compromise and finding some middle ground, republicans cry socialism or marxism.

Obama could come out tomorrow and state child predators are bad. Republicans would immediately hit the airwaves defending child predators. The substance behind anything democrats - or, liberals - say these days is irrelevant. Republicans simply take the opposite side no matter what the cause.

Come on. A little over generalization.

Whatever.

I just posted this from something I read. It's someone's spin. It wasn't intended to make you guys orgasmic. Now get a grip. (Not on that
!).

Guest


Guest
Slicef18 wrote:
wild_thing wrote:EVERYONE IS FUCKED!

THIS WILL STIFLE JOB GROWTH IN THE LARGEST ECONOMY WE HAVE LEFT IN THIS COUNTRY, HEALTHCARE.

STRAGELATION IS UPON US.

PRICES WILL INCREASE.

REGULATION WILL STRAGLE US

LINES WILL BE LONG

AND PEOPLE WILL DIE

I say this not as a republican, but as a healthcare professional.

personally im gonna laugh my ass off when the mandate kicks in Twisted Evil



SUCKERS!

You may be in healthcare, but you surely are no professional. More likely someone from housekeeping or grounds keeping given your grammar, spelling and sentence structure.



look you dippity dew hair fella, I dont come here to write a publication for you. This is my spare time.

My guess is you are at the top of the list of needless people on the planet by this new world order.

Guest


Guest
wild_thing wrote:
Slicef18 wrote:
wild_thing wrote:EVERYONE IS FUCKED!

THIS WILL STIFLE JOB GROWTH IN THE LARGEST ECONOMY WE HAVE LEFT IN THIS COUNTRY, HEALTHCARE.

STRAGELATION IS UPON US.

PRICES WILL INCREASE.

REGULATION WILL STRAGLE US

LINES WILL BE LONG

AND PEOPLE WILL DIE

I say this not as a republican, but as a healthcare professional.

personally im gonna laugh my ass off when the mandate kicks in Twisted Evil



SUCKERS!

You may be in healthcare, but you surely are no professional. More likely someone from housekeeping or grounds keeping given your grammar, spelling and sentence structure.



look you dippity dew hair fella, I dont come here to write a publication for you. This is my spare time.

My guess is you are at the top of the list of needless people on the planet by this new world order.

So in your spare time you come on forums and write like Snuffy Smith and then go to work and write publications? Really? Do you think we're as stupid as you are? ROFL!

Guest


Guest
Slicef18 wrote:
wild_thing wrote:EVERYONE IS FUCKED!

THIS WILL STIFLE JOB GROWTH IN THE LARGEST ECONOMY WE HAVE LEFT IN THIS COUNTRY, HEALTHCARE.

STRAGELATION IS UPON US.

PRICES WILL INCREASE.

REGULATION WILL STRAGLE US

LINES WILL BE LONG

AND PEOPLE WILL DIE

I say this not as a republican, but as a healthcare professional.

personally im gonna laugh my ass off when the mandate kicks in Twisted Evil



SUCKERS!

You may be in healthcare, but you surely are no professional. More likely someone from housekeeping or grounds keeping given your grammar, spelling and sentence structure.

LOL! Impressive, isn't it? She says she writes manuals.Can you imagine? Dilbert must have hired her.

no stress

no stress
Dreamsglore wrote:
Slicef18 wrote:
wild_thing wrote:EVERYONE IS FUCKED!

THIS WILL STIFLE JOB GROWTH IN THE LARGEST ECONOMY WE HAVE LEFT IN THIS COUNTRY, HEALTHCARE.

STRAGELATION IS UPON US.

PRICES WILL INCREASE.

REGULATION WILL STRAGLE US

LINES WILL BE LONG

AND PEOPLE WILL DIE

I say this not as a republican, but as a healthcare professional.

personally im gonna laugh my ass off when the mandate kicks in Twisted Evil



SUCKERS!

You may be in healthcare, but you surely are no professional. More likely someone from housekeeping or grounds keeping given your grammar, spelling and sentence structure.

LOL! Impressive, isn't it? She says she writes manuals.Can you imagine? Dilbert must have hired her.


Haters gonna hate

Guest


Guest
Honey Badger wrote:
Dreamsglore wrote:
Slicef18 wrote:
wild_thing wrote:EVERYONE IS FUCKED!

THIS WILL STIFLE JOB GROWTH IN THE LARGEST ECONOMY WE HAVE LEFT IN THIS COUNTRY, HEALTHCARE.

STRAGELATION IS UPON US.

PRICES WILL INCREASE.

REGULATION WILL STRAGLE US

LINES WILL BE LONG

AND PEOPLE WILL DIE

I say this not as a republican, but as a healthcare professional.

personally im gonna laugh my ass off when the mandate kicks in Twisted Evil



SUCKERS!

You may be in healthcare, but you surely are no professional. More likely someone from housekeeping or grounds keeping given your grammar, spelling and sentence structure.

LOL! Impressive, isn't it? She says she writes manuals.Can you imagine? Dilbert must have hired her.


Haters gonna hate

Shut up. Nobody's talking to you.

47What do you think of the Supreme Court's decision re the Affordable Care Act? - Page 2 Empty Grow up on 6/29/2012, 11:26 pm

Markle

Markle
wild_thing wrote:EVERYONE IS FUCKED!

THIS WILL STIFLE JOB GROWTH IN THE LARGEST ECONOMY WE HAVE LEFT IN THIS COUNTRY, HEALTHCARE.

STRAGELATION IS UPON US.

PRICES WILL INCREASE.

REGULATION WILL STRAGLE US

LINES WILL BE LONG

AND PEOPLE WILL DIE

I say this not as a republican, but as a healthcare professional.

personally im gonna laugh my ass off when the mandate kicks in Twisted Evil



SUCKERS!

Grow up, you sound like a nine year old boy trying to show off on the playground.

Markle

Markle
Slicef18 wrote:
ghandi wrote:Unemployment will reach 10% again. Soon. Employers don't want to deal with it. Thats why republicans were against it. We want to create jobs.

Everyone wants to create jobs. That is a feel good statement. In the meantime there the 900 pound gorilla in the room and his name is "healthcare." We have more and more people showing up at the E.R.'s getting healthcare in the most expensive manner, and then not paying for any of it. The good news is their healthcare "is" being paid for. The bad news is, it's you and I who are paying their bill. Under the Obama plan that is going to stop. This is but one of the reasons America is 16th in the world for quality of it's healthcare. That wouldn't be all that bad if America's healthcare costs were 16th in the world. But it's not. We pay more than any other nation for healthcare that is only 16th. In the tight economy of today, that and our military budget is killing our economy.

President Barack Hussein Obama has proven that he does NOT want to create jobs but rather put more people on the government dole.

What does the cost of health care have to do with unemployment? Was our health care cost not the highest in the world when we had unemployment less than 4.5%?

You have posted the false information that the quality of our health care is 16th in the world but refuse to reveal your source and a link. Why?

With 4.5% unemployment, did we have a drastically lower military budget? How is our military budget hurting the economy?

We have about 1.4 million on active military duty. If we cut that by 20%, how would that help our defense and where would those 280,000 people go to work? Or are you in accordance with President Obama and they should go on welfare, subsidized housing and food stamps?

Markle

Markle
boards of FL wrote:
Markle wrote:Largest Tax Increase in the History of the World.


I'll bite. How is the upheld healthcare legislation the largest tax increase in the history of the world?

This does NOT count the $500 BILLION cut in Medicare which ObamaCare then counts twice.

What do you think of the Supreme Court's decision re the Affordable Care Act? - Page 2 HealthCareTaxes

Admin


Admin
Markle wrote:
boards of FL wrote:
Markle wrote:Largest Tax Increase in the History of the World.


I'll bite. How is the upheld healthcare legislation the largest tax increase in the history of the world?

This does NOT count the $500 BILLION cut in Medicare which ObamaCare then counts twice.

What do you think of the Supreme Court's decision re the Affordable Care Act? - Page 2 HealthCareTaxes

Your regurgitated BS is fine and dandy, but I'm asking you to support the claim that you made earlier. Do I need to quote it for you? You said that the recent health care legislation represents the greatest tax increase in the history of the world. Can you support this, or are you completely full of shit? Either admit that you do not really have a clue as to what you are talking about and that you are merely repeating talking points that you have heard, or else support your actual statement. Can you do that?



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