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What do you think of the Supreme Court's decision re the Affordable Care Act?

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othershoe1030

othershoe1030

This morning we will hear the court's decision about the different parts of the Affordable Care Act. Of course some of the major health insurance companies, realizing the benefits to their profits, say they are going to keep some of the provisions even if the court knocks them down. They like the provision allowing parents to keep adult children on their policies until age 26 etc.

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othershoe1030 wrote:This morning we will hear the court's decision about the different parts of the Affordable Care Act. Of course some of the major health insurance companies, realizing the benefits to their profits, say they are going to keep some of the provisions even if the court knocks them down. They like the provision allowing parents to keep adult children on their policies until age 26 etc.

I think that some provisions will be struck down and some will be left intact. I also just heard that if any part of the Act is left intact, that Congress will take immediate action to repeal the law in its entirety. So really it does not matter what the SCOTUS does today because it will still be a long way from being over.

othershoe1030

othershoe1030

Congressional repeal is just drama for the far right. There is no way in hell they could get it passed much less with a majority large enough to block a Presidential veto. Such talk is just nonsense.

boards of FL

boards of FL

The entire thing will be upheld.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

othershoe1030 wrote:Congressional repeal is just drama for the far right. There is no way in hell they could get it passed much less with a majority large enough to block a Presidential veto. Such talk is just nonsense.
It could happen if Romney is the president and the Senate goes republican. Although the latter is not likely.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

Although this will really energize the right and there are 23 Democrat Senate seats up for re-election. So who knows.

The Republicans can now campaign as the agin it party. Agin Obama, agin obamacare, agin it all.

And the Democrats are gonna have to defend having to pay for all this by adding even more debt.

Only two things are certain. As bad as it is now, the divisiveness and gridlock will get a lot worse. And as loud as the nightime fox news and msnbc is now, it will all get a lot louder.

Sal

Sal

Eat yer broccoli, bitches. cheers

boards of FL

boards of FL

boards of FL wrote:The entire thing will be upheld.

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/06/28/how-will-supreme-court-rule-on-health-care-law/?hpt=hp_t1

What do I win?

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

salinsky wrote:Eat yer broccoli, bitches. cheers
broccoli paid for with food stamps. and at some point the credit card to pay for the food stamps is gonna max out.
then what?

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

boards of FL wrote:
boards of FL wrote:The entire thing will be upheld.

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/06/28/how-will-supreme-court-rule-on-health-care-law/?hpt=hp_t1

What do I win?
I hate to be the one to tell you what you've "won". But since you're a lot younger than I am what you've won is many more years than me of having to live in a declining country. But you woulda won that even if you had lost too. lol

othershoe1030

othershoe1030

ButtMan wrote:
othershoe1030 wrote:Congressional repeal is just drama for the far right. There is no way in hell they could get it passed much less with a majority large enough to block a Presidential veto. Such talk is just nonsense.
It could happen if Romney is the president and the Senate goes republican. Although the latter is not likely.
The health insurance companies are on board with the ACA since it means more customers/money for them. That's a big lobbying group to buck.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

othershoe1030 wrote:
The health insurance companies are on board with the ACA since it means more customers/money for them.
Which one of these is the ACA?

http://www.google.com/search?q=aca&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

If the health insurance companies are on board with it and it makes private health insurance corporations more money, then I wonder why hannity and limbaugh and markle say it's "socialism". lol
I never knew that private companies making more money is the goal of "socialists". lol

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

What this health care reform act is more than anything else, is that it's two and a half times lengthier than the novel War and Peace. lol

Scalia said he never planned to read it and I doubt any of the others did either. lol

polecat

polecat

fox news is spinning in circles this morning to redefine "Judicial Activism"

Markle

Markle

Largest Tax Increase in the History of the World.

polecat

polecat

[quote="Markle"]Largest Tax Increase in the History of the World.

[/quote

]The 1942 tax increase represented more than 5 percent of the U.S. economy, as measured by the gross domestic product, or GDP. The 1941 tax increase was 2.2 percent of GDP, according to a Treasury Department paper published in 2006.

Next year's looming tax increase would represent 2.6 percent of GDP – a huge tax hike but not the biggest.

Floridatexan

Floridatexan


In the short term, there will be problems as the kinks get ironed out, just as there are whenever there's a major change in the law. In the long term, the people of the US will benefit, and there will be cost savings because of a larger pool of insureds and because prevention and early detection are the real keys to health care. The benefits to the people FAR OUTWEIGH any economic drain, which will be only temporary. And it beats the hell out of buying mansions and yachts for a bunch of executives.

Markle

Markle

[quote="polecat"]
Markle wrote:Largest Tax Increase in the History of the World.

[/quote

]The 1942 tax increase represented more than 5 percent of the U.S. economy, as measured by the gross domestic product, or GDP. The 1941 tax increase was 2.2 percent of GDP, according to a Treasury Department paper published in 2006.

Next year's looming tax increase would represent 2.6 percent of GDP – a huge tax hike but not the biggest.

You are not including ObamaCare. Largest Tax Increase in the History of the World and will only grow. Leaving us like Greece, Spain, Italy, Portugal and others. See Stockton California.

Nekochan

Nekochan

This is all we will hear about between now and November. I watched and listened to Obama's statement on the ruling. I think he knows that the law is in trouble and that he will spend the next 4 months defending this huge TAX.

Slicef18

Slicef18

This piece of legislation will mirror both Social Security and Medicare in that it will go through a fairly long period of adjustments as the players involved find shortcomings in the law as written that need accommodating. Just as before with both Social Security and Medicare, there will be a fairly loud push-back from the people of "NO." and the herd that follow and swallow the Limbaugh, Hannity and Coulter miasma de jour.

Guest


Guest

Slicef18 wrote:This piece of legislation will mirror both Social Security and Medicare in that it will go through a fairly long period of adjustments as the players involved find shortcomings in the law as written that need accommodating. Just as before with both Social Security and Medicare, there will be a fairly loud push-back from the people of "NO." and the herd that follow and swallow the Limbaugh, Hannity and Coulter miasma de jour.

Social security and medicare are failing systems that have had a detrimental financial impact on our country. I like some parts of the law, they make sense and were needed. Obamacare could work if you had 100% participation and every able American that was of working age had a job and was paying into it. That is not the country we live in, we live in a country of parasites who are contempt to sit on there asses while being a burden to the rest of society. The individual mandate is the nail in the coffin for the middle class. it is the largest tax increase on an individual in American history that will only affect the middle class. Rich people will not care they have the money, poor people will not care because they will get it for free. The middle class is left holding the bag.

Slicef18

Slicef18

alecto wrote:
Slicef18 wrote:This piece of legislation will mirror both Social Security and Medicare in that it will go through a fairly long period of adjustments as the players involved find shortcomings in the law as written that need accommodating. Just as before with both Social Security and Medicare, there will be a fairly loud push-back from the people of "NO." and the herd that follow and swallow the Limbaugh, Hannity and Coulter miasma de jour.

Social security and medicare are failing systems that have had a detrimental financial impact on our country. I like some parts of the law, they make sense and were needed. Obamacare could work if you had 100% participation and every able American that was of working age had a job and was paying into it. That is not the country we live in, we live in a country of parasites who are contempt to sit on there asses while being a burden to the rest of society. The individual mandate is the nail in the coffin for the middle class. it is the largest tax increase on an individual in American history that will only affect the middle class. Rich people will not care they have the money, poor people will not care because they will get it for free. The middle class is left holding the bag.

Social security and medicare are failing systems that have had a detrimental financial impact on our country.[i]

They are failing, not because the money wasn't put in there. It's failing because the politicians took out the money and left us with OIU's.

boards of FL

boards of FL

Markle wrote:Largest Tax Increase in the History of the World.


I'll bite. How is the upheld healthcare legislation the largest tax increase in the history of the world?

boards of FL

boards of FL

alecto wrote:
Slicef18 wrote:This piece of legislation will mirror both Social Security and Medicare in that it will go through a fairly long period of adjustments as the players involved find shortcomings in the law as written that need accommodating. Just as before with both Social Security and Medicare, there will be a fairly loud push-back from the people of "NO." and the herd that follow and swallow the Limbaugh, Hannity and Coulter miasma de jour.

Social security and medicare are failing systems that have had a detrimental financial impact on our country. I like some parts of the law, they make sense and were needed. Obamacare could work if you had 100% participation and every able American that was of working age had a job and was paying into it. That is not the country we live in, we live in a country of parasites who are contempt to sit on there asses while being a burden to the rest of society. The individual mandate is the nail in the coffin for the middle class. it is the largest tax increase on an individual in American history that will only affect the middle class. Rich people will not care they have the money, poor people will not care because they will get it for free. The middle class is left holding the bag.

How are you reaching this conclusion?

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Guest

boards of FL wrote:
How are you reaching this conclusion?

Like I said, it will not effect rich people they have the money, it will not effect poor people they will get it for free.

http://www.smartmoney.com/taxes/income/what-obamacare-may-mean-for-taxes-1335896160486/

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303561504577494472052048242.html

http://dailycaller.com/2012/06/28/with-court-ruling-1-7-trillion-obamacare-tax-now-violates-obamas-2008-tax-pledge/

http://www.forbes.com/sites/danielfisher/2012/06/28/supreme-court-upholds-healthcare-law-what-it-means/

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