Should the 80 year old man be charged in this case?

boards of FL wrote:Let me ask you all this:  Say the burglars were able to escape unharmed but were later caught by the police.  

Should they face the death penalty?

If a frog had wings it wouldn't keep busting it's ass every time it hit the ground.

They did NOT escape and one of them was killed in the commission of a felony.

Other criminals targeting his neighborhood will most likely be looking elsewhere.

boards of FL wrote:http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/man-shot-burglar-pregnant-24704576

"The lady didn't run as fast as the man, so I shot her in the back twice," Greer told the TV station. "She's dead ... but he got away."

Does that change anyone's mind?

Under California law, homeowners can defend themselves if they are in "imminent danger of serious bodily injury or death," he said.

Yes, he should be charged. There is a difference between defense and retaliation.

boards of FL wrote:

Bob wrote:Do you agree with the male home invader being charged with murder?

Nope.  He is guilty of battery and home invasion.

When a death occurs during the commission of a felony, those committing the felony are responsible for the death and should be charged accordingly.

Both intruders jumped on the elderly man and beat him....then continued to break into his safe.



Let me ask you a question, Boards. Were the intruders worried about causing the man pain and possibly death?

There are consequences to criminal behaviour.

Being in the minority, a place in which I am comfortable, I just cannot get my arms around my forum friends who celebrate the murder of this woman. Was she a trespasser? Absolutely. Was she physically threatening the OWG? Not at all . . . . she was fleeing. Because she was guilty of breaking and entering should give the OWG the legal authority to summarily execute her? That is precisely what happened . . . . what have we become as a people?

knothead wrote:Being in the minority, a place in which I am comfortable, I just cannot get my arms around my forum friends who celebrate the murder of this woman.  Was she a trespasser? Absolutely. Was she physically threatening the OWG? Not at all . . . . she was fleeing.  Because she was guilty of breaking and entering should give the OWG the legal authority to summarily execute her? That is precisely what happened . . . . what have we become as a people?

Celebrating? Minimizing a little, Knothead.

She was not merely trespassing she was involved in a home invasion, she and her partner attacked the elderly man by jumping on him and beating him. After he was down they continued opening his safe and ran when he recovered his gun. Perhaps if he had not gotten his gun they may have killed him before leaving.

He should get off...who knows if they were going to come back and finish him off later. They whupped him pretty good. They picked the wrong elderly person to rob and beat. There are consequences to behaviors. Had they not been robbing and beating an old man, the chick would still be alive right?

Joanimaroni wrote:

knothead wrote:Being in the minority, a place in which I am comfortable, I just cannot get my arms around my forum friends who celebrate the murder of this woman.  Was she a trespasser? Absolutely. Was she physically threatening the OWG? Not at all . . . . she was fleeing.  Because she was guilty of breaking and entering should give the OWG the legal authority to summarily execute her? That is precisely what happened . . . . what have we become as a people?

Celebrating? Minimizing a little,  Knothead.

 She was not merely trespassing she was involved in a home invasion, she and her partner attacked the elderly man by jumping on him and beating him. After he was down they continued opening his safe and ran when he recovered his gun. Perhaps if he had not gotten his gun they may have killed him before leaving.

Perhaps he should have not aimed to kill . . . . he was so proud!

It's cute that the leftists are now so conditioned that they can no longer tell the deference between the good guys and the bad guys.

The burglar is charged because in committing a felony a death
Occurred

Knotweed..... You don't pull out the gun and ever shoot to wound.

PACEDOG#1 wrote:Knotweed..... You don't pull out the gun and ever shoot to wound.

Not news to me PD . . . . this was not a situation where deadly force was appropriate . . . . that's how I see it!

There are consequences to criminal behaviour.



Yes there are

Joanimaroni wrote:

knothead wrote:Being in the minority, a place in which I am comfortable, I just cannot get my arms around my forum friends who celebrate the murder of this woman.  Was she a trespasser? Absolutely. Was she physically threatening the OWG? Not at all . . . . she was fleeing.  Because she was guilty of breaking and entering should give the OWG the legal authority to summarily execute her? That is precisely what happened . . . . what have we become as a people?

Celebrating? Minimizing a little,  Knothead.

 She was not merely trespassing she was involved in a home invasion, she and her partner attacked the elderly man by jumping on him and beating him. After he was down they continued opening his safe and ran when he recovered his gun. Perhaps if he had not gotten his gun they may have killed him before leaving.

But they had stopped and were running away. You cannot kill someone because you're pissed off that they robbed and assaulted you. He chased her down and shot her in the back.

Pretty good shot on the run... and with a broken collar bone.

boards of FL wrote:

Markle wrote:If anyone is killed in the commission of a felony, all are guilty of murder.  Even if that other person is a "get away" driver.

He should be tried and convicted of murder, assault, batter, home invasion and most anything else they can apply.

You clearly aren't interpreting that law correctly.

Clearly you don't know the law.

Let me help you...again!

Felony Murder

"Florida's Felony Murder Rule Sweeps With A Broad Brush", by David A. Brener, Esq.

Florida's felony - murder rule, incorporated into its murder statute, section 782.04, makes it first degree murder when the death of a non-participant occurs during the commission, attempt to commit, or escape from the commission of various enumerated felonies. These crimes include the most frequently committed felonies, such as robbery, burglary, rape, kidnapping, arson, and others. As a consequence, someone who agrees to participate in one of these felonies is deemed responsible under the law if a homicide occurs during the course of the crime. This is true even if the person did not pull the trigger or commit the killing, and even if the homicide was unintended, an accident, or actually committed by a third party, like, for example a police officer, security guard, or homeowner.

http://murderlawyerflorida.com/Felony_Murder.html

What part of this is unclear to you?

QueenOfHearts wrote:

Joanimaroni wrote:

knothead wrote:Being in the minority, a place in which I am comfortable, I just cannot get my arms around my forum friends who celebrate the murder of this woman.  Was she a trespasser? Absolutely. Was she physically threatening the OWG? Not at all . . . . she was fleeing.  Because she was guilty of breaking and entering should give the OWG the legal authority to summarily execute her? That is precisely what happened . . . . what have we become as a people?

Celebrating? Minimizing a little,  Knothead.

 She was not merely trespassing she was involved in a home invasion, she and her partner attacked the elderly man by jumping on him and beating him. After he was down they continued opening his safe and ran when he recovered his gun. Perhaps if he had not gotten his gun they may have killed him before leaving.

But they had stopped and were running away.  You cannot kill someone because you're pissed off that they robbed and assaulted you.   He chased her down and shot her in the back.  

How does an 80 year old, badly beaten man with a broken collar bone chase down a young woman?

Markle wrote:

QueenOfHearts wrote:

Joanimaroni wrote:

knothead wrote:Being in the minority, a place in which I am comfortable, I just cannot get my arms around my forum friends who celebrate the murder of this woman.  Was she a trespasser? Absolutely. Was she physically threatening the OWG? Not at all . . . . she was fleeing.  Because she was guilty of breaking and entering should give the OWG the legal authority to summarily execute her? That is precisely what happened . . . . what have we become as a people?

Celebrating? Minimizing a little,  Knothead.

 She was not merely trespassing she was involved in a home invasion, she and her partner attacked the elderly man by jumping on him and beating him. After he was down they continued opening his safe and ran when he recovered his gun. Perhaps if he had not gotten his gun they may have killed him before leaving.

But they had stopped and were running away.  You cannot kill someone because you're pissed off that they robbed and assaulted you.   He chased her down and shot her in the back.  

How does an 80 year old, badly beaten man with a broken collar bone chase down a young woman?

Oops, my mistake. I thought he ran after them as they ran away. He shot them as they were running away.

The woman was lying about being pregnant.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/25/justice/california-slain-burglar-pregnant/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

They beat and injured this elderly man before he turned a gun on them. I am sure they would not have flinched had they killed him during the beating. The perps wound up drawing the short straw, and one of them paid with their life. The surviving perp apparently has a felonious history, so he is definitely not innocent.

There are probably details about this incident that are still to come out. When the smoke clears, the old man's actions will be proven justified.

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:The woman was lying about being pregnant.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/25/justice/california-slain-burglar-pregnant/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

They beat and injured this elderly man before he turned a gun on them. I am sure they would not have flinched had they killed him during the beating. The perps wound up drawing the short straw, and one of them paid with their life. The surviving perp apparently has a felonious history, so he is definitely not innocent.

There are probably details about this incident that are still to come out. When the smoke clears, the old man's actions will be proven justified.

  Not there first go round but certainly the last one.

Should've got both of them.

Then neither would ever be out on the streets again and the justice system wouldn't have to do much of anything.

*****CHUCKLE*****

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ww5GXbk58R0

  

Sal wrote:Shooting anyone in the back as they are running away is cowardly, and the coward should be charged with a crime.

Notice Sal makes no mention of how cowardly it is to beat up an old man. His liberal little heart bleeds only for the perps.

Damaged Eagle wrote:

Should've got both of them.

Then neither would ever be out on the streets again and the justice system wouldn't have to do much of anything.

Amen

Maybe there should be an open season on criminals?