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300000 Floridians lose their healthcare due to Obamacare

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Markle

Markle

Floridatexan wrote: The problem is and has been that Rick Scott and the Florida legislature have refused to sign on and implement the ACA.  

http://www.fcfep.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=294:a-closer-look-at-floridas-refusal-to-implement-the-affordable-care-act&catid=34:fcfep-publications&Itemid=207

[i](The above link is from 2011...

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300000 Floridians lose their healthcare due to Obamacare - Page 4 AnimatedLaughterPink

You just can't make these things up!

Progressives hate so much that now Gov. Rick Scott of Florida is responsible for the whole SNAFU aka ObamaCare.

Progressives are really getting desperate.

Markle

Markle

boards of FL wrote:
PkrBum wrote:You would be very valuable to the administration as a translation czar... and you can do govt math. Nice fit.
No need for you to worry about this, PkrBum.  I realize this is all way over your head.   You can still dance with snakes and speak in tongues should you ever require medical care.  The invisible hand in the sky is still there to solve all of your problems.  Don't worry.  This is a "real world" discussion we are having here.
“When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.”
― Socrates

Markle

Markle

Sal wrote:

[...]
And, Obama won't be remembered in 25, or 50, or 100 years from now for what he said or didn't say in the struggle to nudge the nation in the right direction.

He'll be remembered as the leader, who against incredible odds, daunting obstacles, and countless enemies, got the ball rolling.

And, all the garment renders and teeth gnashers will be forgotten.
President Barack Hussein Obama will be remembered for the chaos he caused in the economy, running up more debt, faster, than any other person in the history of the world. For cramming a totally unworkable, unsustainable health insurance system up the...throats and against the will of the majority of American voters. He'll also be remembered for being the most divisive President in modern history.

Yep, quite a legacy.

Sal

Sal

Markle wrote:
Sal wrote:

[...]
And, Obama won't be remembered in 25, or 50, or 100 years from now for what he said or didn't say in the struggle to nudge the nation in the right direction.

He'll be remembered as the leader, who against incredible odds, daunting obstacles, and countless enemies, got the ball rolling.

And, all the garment renders and teeth gnashers will be forgotten.
President Barack Hussein Obama will be remembered for the chaos he caused in the economy, running up more debt, faster, than any other person in the history of the world.  For cramming a totally unworkable, unsustainable health insurance system up the...throats and against the will of the majority of American voters.  He'll also be remembered for being the most divisive President in modern history.

Yep, quite a legacy.
Nope.

He'll be remembered as the President who stabilized an economy in free fall, and got the ball rolling on health care reform which will make us a stronger and fairer nation.

History will look kindly upon President Obama.

You, on the other hand, are currently largely irrelevant and soon to be forgotten.

How's that feel?

Markle

Markle

Sal wrote:
Markle wrote:
Sal wrote:

[...]
And, Obama won't be remembered in 25, or 50, or 100 years from now for what he said or didn't say in the struggle to nudge the nation in the right direction.

He'll be remembered as the leader, who against incredible odds, daunting obstacles, and countless enemies, got the ball rolling.

And, all the garment renders and teeth gnashers will be forgotten.
President Barack Hussein Obama will be remembered for the chaos he caused in the economy, running up more debt, faster, than any other person in the history of the world.  For cramming a totally unworkable, unsustainable health insurance system up the...throats and against the will of the majority of American voters.  He'll also be remembered for being the most divisive President in modern history.

Yep, quite a legacy.
Nope.

He'll be remembered as the President who stabilized an economy in free fall, and got the ball rolling on health care reform which will make us a stronger and fairer nation.

History will look kindly upon President Obama.

You, on the other hand, are currently largely irrelevant and soon to be forgotten.

How's that feel?
300000 Floridians lose their healthcare due to Obamacare - Page 4 LaughingDog

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ZVUGKTUBM

Sal wrote:
Markle wrote:
Sal wrote:

[...]
And, Obama won't be remembered in 25, or 50, or 100 years from now for what he said or didn't say in the struggle to nudge the nation in the right direction.

He'll be remembered as the leader, who against incredible odds, daunting obstacles, and countless enemies, got the ball rolling.

And, all the garment renders and teeth gnashers will be forgotten.
President Barack Hussein Obama will be remembered for the chaos he caused in the economy, running up more debt, faster, than any other person in the history of the world.  For cramming a totally unworkable, unsustainable health insurance system up the...throats and against the will of the majority of American voters.  He'll also be remembered for being the most divisive President in modern history.

Yep, quite a legacy.
Nope.

He'll be remembered as the President who stabilized an economy in free fall, and got the ball rolling on health care reform which will make us a stronger and fairer nation.

History will look kindly upon President Obama.

You, on the other hand, are currently largely irrelevant and soon to be forgotten.

How's that feel?
He needs to get to work on his cut-and-pastes for the 2014 and 2016 elections. The Republican Party has a steep uphill climb to make for both, and the Markles of the world have their work cut out for them trying to advance candidates like Ted Cruz, who will likely throw his hat in the ring for 2016.

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Floridatexan

Floridatexan

Markle wrote:
Floridatexan wrote: The problem is and has been that Rick Scott and the Florida legislature have refused to sign on and implement the ACA.  

http://www.fcfep.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=294:a-closer-look-at-floridas-refusal-to-implement-the-affordable-care-act&catid=34:fcfep-publications&Itemid=207

[i](The above link is from 2011...

[...]

300000 Floridians lose their healthcare due to Obamacare - Page 4 AnimatedLaughterPink

You just can't make these things up!

Progressives hate so much that now Gov. Rick Scott of Florida is responsible for the whole SNAFU aka ObamaCare.

Progressives are really getting desperate.
The majority of my post was from FACT CHECK and was current info. I just forgot to post the 2nd link. You might want to go to FACT CHECK and check out the lies being promoted by your party. Guess our governor won't be able to gauge the sick for profit in the future. You are such a clueless troll.

Nekochan

Nekochan

FT, if our governor is totally responsible for ALL of the problems in Florida, he isn't responsible for all the problems in the rest of the country.  After all, his name isn't "Bush".  lol.

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Guest

boards of FL wrote:
Nekochan wrote:Tell that to the 64%, today, who do not have grandfathered policies.

If they don't have a grandfathered policy, that means their policy didn't exist prior to the signing of the ACA, hence, Obama's comment didn't apply.  This is the case, given the fact that time moves forward.  

Obama's comment ->  Signing of the ACA -> New policy issued after the signing that isn't grandfathered
So, if a person graduated from college in 2009 and didn't get a FT job offer that included health care until after the ACA was signed, they are screwed, is what you are saying....

Makes perfect sense...LOL

Guest


Guest

Floridatexan wrote:
Markle wrote:
Floridatexan wrote: The problem is and has been that Rick Scott and the Florida legislature have refused to sign on and implement the ACA.  

http://www.fcfep.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=294:a-closer-look-at-floridas-refusal-to-implement-the-affordable-care-act&catid=34:fcfep-publications&Itemid=207

[i](The above link is from 2011...

[...]

300000 Floridians lose their healthcare due to Obamacare - Page 4 AnimatedLaughterPink

You just can't make these things up!

Progressives hate so much that now Gov. Rick Scott of Florida is responsible for the whole SNAFU aka ObamaCare.

Progressives are really getting desperate.
The majority of my post was from FACT CHECK and was current info. I just forgot to post the 2nd link. You might want to go to FACT CHECK and check out the lies being promoted by your party. Guess our governor won't be able to gauge the sick for profit in the future. You are such a clueless troll.
FACTCHECK? Why don't you just use wikipedia as your source then?

Nekochan

Nekochan

Actually, it seems that many people who have had the same job/policy since 2009 or earlier are not grandfathered, contrary to what Boards keeps saying.

Nekochan

Nekochan

For Boards...

http://healthpolicyandmarket.blogspot.com/2013/10/week-two-of-obamacare-federal-health.html#more


The U.S. individual health insurance market currently totals about 19 million people. Because the Obama administration's regulations on grandfathering existing plans were so stringent about 85% of those, 16 million, are not grandfathered and must comply with Obamacare at their next renewal. The rules are very complex. For example, if you had an individual plan in March of 2010 when the law was passed and you only increased the deductible from $1,000 to $1,500 in the years since, your plan has lost its grandfather status and it will no longer be available to you when it would have renewed in 2014.

These 16 million people are now receiving letters from their carriers saying they are losing their current coverage and must re-enroll in order to avoid a break in coverage and comply with the new health law's benefit mandates––the vast majority by January 1. Most of these will be seeing some pretty big rate increases.

Markle

Markle

Nekochan wrote:Actually, it seems that many people who have had the same job/policy since 2009 or earlier are not grandfathered, contrary to what Boards keeps saying.
Amusing aren't they?

President Barack Hussein Obama's spokesman Jay Carney has given up answering questions about ObamaCare and walks out of the briefing.

But not our Kool Aid filled Progressives...they just keep slogging along trying to explain the unexplainable.

300000 Floridians lose their healthcare due to Obamacare - Page 4 Kool-aid-new-large-tub-1640-p

Nekochan

Nekochan

This Obamacare scheme is a damn mess and we have people here in total denial. 

I want people to be insured.  I want people with pre-existing conditions to have affordable coverage.  I want low income people to be able to afford decent health care.  But this law was passed based on promises and complete confusion and misinformation about what it would really mean.

dumpcare



Floridatexan wrote:The problem is and has been that Rick Scott and the Florida legislature have refused to sign on and implement the ACA.  

http://www.fcfep.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=294:a-closer-look-at-floridas-refusal-to-implement-the-affordable-care-act&catid=34:fcfep-publications&Itemid=207

(The above link is from 2011...Florida has had two years to prepare for the enactment of the ACA, but the governor and Republican legislators refused to do so.  Now, those decisions are hurting consumers.)

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Democrats say Florida stripped insurance commissioner of power to set health plan rates
True



Florida lawmakers have left the state vulnerable to unreasonably high insurance premiums in an effort to undermine Obamacare, say the state’s U.S. House Democrats.

Gov. Rick Scott and the Legislature cynically stripped Florida of its ability to review rates for the law’s rollout, U.S. Rep. Ted Deutch writes in a letter signed by all 10 of the state’s Democratic representatives.


The letter, which appeals to the federal government to step in on Floridians’ behalf, blames a law Scott signed at the end of May for refusing to allow the state insurance commissioner to "negotiate lower rates with companies or refuse rates that are too high."

It asks the U.S. Health and Human Services Department to "protect Florida consumers — since Gov. Scott, the Florida Legislature and Insurance Commissioner (Kevin) McCarty will not."

Did the governor and state legislators prevent the insurance commissioner from negotiating lower rates and refusing high ones?

Deferring to the feds

Legislators faced a unique challenge during their 60-day session in 2013. Unlike many states that had laid groundwork to implement the Affordable Care Act since it became law in 2010, Florida had repeatedly refused — first challenging the constitutionality of the law, then waiting to see if a new president would offer a reprieve.

But with the law upheld by the Supreme Court and President Barack Obama back in office, the state was stuck. It had refused federal money to help with the transition. Now it was also running out of time.

A state Senate committee in 2013 said it sought a "rational, reasonable approach." State law needed an update to match federal requirements of the Affordable Care Act. The committee sought to do as little as possible.

"We want to make sure that we're in compliance, that we're doing what we're required to do," said Sen. David Simmons, R-Altamonte Springs, at a March committee meeting.

The Affordable Care Act assumed that states would continue to take a lead role in setting insurance rates, just as Florida had done in the past. It encouraged states to strengthen their rate-setting authority, offering millions of dollars in grant money to help. But it didn’t require that.

The Florida Office of Insurance Regulation faced a serious time-crunch to get up to speed on a host of new requirements under the law. Legislators offered a compromise. If the federal government wanted to impose new coverage requirements — well, it could set rates, too.

"Since the federal government is requiring these additional coverages that will cost more," said Sen. Joe Negron, Republican chair of the Affordable Care Act Committee, "then to me it makes sense for them to be responsible for approving rate increases that are certain to come."

Democrats on the committee agreed with this approach at its final meeting on March 18.

"I think we're going to find it's going to cost us a lot of money to set rates here in Florida," said Sen. Eleanor Sobel. "... I think we should rely on the federal government."

She expressed confidence the federal government would have a "greater wealth of knowledge."

"If we have concerns about the rates that the feds do set, then we should work with them," she said.

One hitch she didn’t mention: the federal government didn’t give itself rate-making authority.

What resulted was Florida Senate Bill 1842, which among other things, suspended for two years the requirement that insurers get state approval for rates for new plans — such as those that will appear on new marketplaces. Companies would still have to file rate changes with the state. But they could act on those changes without approval.

Sobel now says that wasn’t at all clear at the time.

The bill earned unanimous support from the Senate Appropriations Committee, then passed the Senate 28-8, mostly along party lines. Six senators voted after roll call, including Sobel, who changed her vote from yea to nay.

"I was reading very quickly. Then I realized this was something that was not good for the people of the state of Florida," she said.

The 78-36 House vote also mostly followed party lines, with a few Democratic supporters.

Gov. Scott expressed the same confidence that the federal government would step in.

When he signed the bill into law May 31, he wrote, "I support the Legislature's deference to the federal government. ... Rates for the new plans will be reviewed by the same federal government that will be enforcing and updating new rules and regulations throughout this very fluid and uncertain transition period."

Limits of federal authority

Here’s the thing: The federal government, even under the Affordable Care Act, can’t do what Insurance Commissioner McCarty can do.

Florida grants its insurance commissioner a range of powers. McCarty can negotiate lower rates with companies. He can refuse rates that the state determines to be too high.

The federal government can do neither of those things.

On July 31, the Florida Office of Insurance Regulation released projected insurance premiums for policies that will be for sale on the new health insurance marketplaces launching in January 2014 — premiums it has no authority to review.

The state estimated rate increases in the individual market between 8 percent and 59 percent. (The federal government and consumer groups, we should note, dispute the state's projections, with one group suggesting they're inaccurately and irresponsibly high to discourage Floridians from participating in Obamacare.)

In a bulleted list, the office noted all of the ways the Affordable Care Act might be driving up costs.

It didn’t mention McCarty had no power to negotiate or refuse because of the new law.

And that matters. A Kaiser Family Foundation study in 2010 found that those states with robust authority to approve or disapprove rates were "able to extract significant reductions."

While Florida used the Affordable Care Act as a reason to reduce its rate oversight, most states used the law’s grants to boost theirs. North Carolina reduced a rate increase request with its new authority in 2010 that saved beneficiaries $14.5 million.

The Palm Beach Post noted that Maryland used its negotiating power to push rates for next year’s premiums down "by as much as a third" from what companies had proposed.

In the absence of oversight from Florida, the federal government does have some power to protect Florida consumers from outrageous rates — even if it can’t rescind them or otherwise impose penalties.

Chief is the new requirement that insurers must spend at least 80 percent or 85 percent of premiums on medical care, or pay rebates. So, if an insurer filed for a rate increase that granted it profits far beyond the benefits it offered, it would owe consumers a rebate the next year.

Second, it could refuse to let an insurer sell its product on Florida’s federally run marketplace. But not all insurance will be sold through the marketplace. Meanwhile, the process was supposed to rely on states’ determination of whether a rate was justified.

Lastly, it wields shame. If Florida doesn’t weigh in, the federal government will review any increase greater than 10 percent to evaluate whether it’s unreasonable — a designation the insurer will have to feature on its website.

Our ruling

A letter from Deutch and Florida’s U.S. House Democrats says that the governor and legislators refused to allow the state insurance commissioner to "negotiate lower rates with companies or refuse rates that are too high." They did precisely that, though they argued that the federal government could step in on Florida’s behalf. It turns out, that’s not how it works. Deutch’s claim about the state’s temporarily diminished powers is True.


You know, I doubt no one reviewed plans or rates and that is true about Scott, but it was suppose to be for current plans and he trusted the insurance company's would do the right thing. But I can't figure how he did it because there is a law in each state that part of your rate increase is/or has been dictated by the state insurance department, because each company has to have so much in reserves so if one defaulted the claims would be paid.

dumpcare



Nekochan wrote:Actually, it looks like for most people today, "may" means "probably not". 

http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/stories/2012/december/17/grandfathered-plans-faq.aspx

In 2013, 36 percent of those who get coverage through their jobs are enrolled in a grandfathered health plan, down from 48 percent in 2012 and 56 percent in 2011, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation's most recent Employer Health Benefits Survey. (KHN is an editorially-independent program of KFF.) 
The survey also found that 54 percent of firms that offered health insurance reported that they offered at least one health care plan with grandfathered status, down from 58 percent of firms that did so in 2012 and 72 percent in 2011.
Fewer covered workers at large firms (200 or more workers) are enrolled in a grandfathered health plan than covered workers at smaller firms (30 percent vs. 49 percent).
More plans are expected to lose grandfathered status over time. 
Yep, anytime an employer changed their plan after the law was signed it lost grandfathered status. Many have. I also have group business and my grandfathered plans group's are experiencing an average of 40% rate increase right now. I have one that renew's in Dec that has a 60.9% rate increase. They are dropping and taking an individual plan. They only had it all these year's because a key employee was uninsurable. The small group market won't last long and maybe not the large group when they see their rate increase's next year.

dumpcare



boards of FL wrote:
Nekochan wrote:Once again, you do understand that "may" is different from "shall"?
No, I get it.  I actually already responded to the "may" "shall" thing.



Nekochan wrote:So what you say about policies being grandfathered prior to ACA is not accurate or true.   Furthermore, even as far back as 2011, more than 40% of plans weren't grandfathered, according to Kaiser.

You're misinterpreting what you posted.  Here again, a basic understanding of the english language is required.  Here is what you posted...


In 2013, 36 percent of those who get coverage through their jobs are enrolled in a grandfathered health plan, down from 48 percent in 2012 and 56 percent in 2011, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation's most recent Employer Health Benefits Survey. (KHN is an editorially-independent program of KFF.) 
Now it's time to comprehend what this is saying.  Is this saying:

A)  Only 36% of plans issued prior to the signing of the ACA are eligible to be grandfathered.

B)  36% of people are enrolled in grandfathered plans.


You seem to be concluding A, though the correct interpretation is obviously B.  If someone didn't keep their plan and changed to a different plan that isn't grandfathered...well...then they no longer have their grandfathered plan.

I have a grandfathered data plan with AT&T.  In order for me to keep this grandfathered plan...cough...I have to keep it.  If I change to a different plan, well, I no longer have that grandfathered plan anymore.   Further, it wouldn't be Obama's fault that I decided to change plans.
If your employer changes it you're in deep shit.

dumpcare



Markle wrote:
Floridatexan wrote: The problem is and has been that Rick Scott and the Florida legislature have refused to sign on and implement the ACA.  

http://www.fcfep.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=294:a-closer-look-at-floridas-refusal-to-implement-the-affordable-care-act&catid=34:fcfep-publications&Itemid=207

[i](The above link is from 2011...

[...]

300000 Floridians lose their healthcare due to Obamacare - Page 4 AnimatedLaughterPink

You just can't make these things up!

Progressives hate so much that now Gov. Rick Scott of Florida is responsible for the whole SNAFU aka ObamaCare.

Progressives are really getting desperate.
I'm not a progressive and I hate Scott and I also believe PDog has said in the past he stinks as a governor.

Guest


Guest

3 years from now when that federal teet is removed for states who expanded Medicaid, youll be thanking rick scott.

Guest


Guest

Chrissy wrote:3 years from now when that federal teet is removed for states who expanded Medicaid, youll be thanking rick scott.
If the cost falls on those that least require the product/service... that is exactly what will happen. They will simply make the best immediate economic decision... much like farmers following the russian revolution. The nazis just taxed at first... but control is effective ownership... no matter the rationalization. A pretense of a free market... is not a free market.

Before seagoat blowvates it... an arbiter is not partial... but a just and fair intermediary. The fact you can't see that role for our govt does not make me an anarchist... it makes you a statist.

dumpcare



I would hate Rick Scott regardless if there was or wasn't obabmacare. I disliked him when I met him right after the oil spill.

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Guest

ppaca wrote:I would hate Rick Scott regardless if there was or wasn't obabmacare. I disliked him when I met him right after the oil spill.
you hate him because of something when you met him? way he looked? hmm I don't hate him or love him btw

never the less, the Medicaid bill will come due for states that expanded it, and it will be billions. those states are getting help now, but odummer made sure that he would be out of office when the bill came due.

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

I will never thank Rick Scott for anything. He is a grifter and a charlatan, just like his mentor, Jeb Bush. I tried to warn people that he had plead the 5th Amendment 75 times while deposing on the Columbia/HCA scandal, which, at the time, was the largest case of Medicare fraud in the history of our country.

http://www.tampabay.com/opinion/columns/scotts-pleading-of-the-5th-manipulated-legal-system/1128351

How anyone could continue to defend him is beyond belief. He spent $85 million to buy the Florida election...$73 million of that was "his"...had to be the ill-gotten gains of his Medicare fraud. How this stuff is allowed to happen, over and over again...and how anyone could continue to support this kind of manipulation is beyond me. But of course we have our forum troll, Markle, who has never once to my knowledge denied the fact.

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Guest

Oh hell no! It's all GWB Jr's fault. This whole Obamacare mess. Everybody knows that.Very Happy 

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Guest

Dreamsglore wrote:Oh hell no! It's all GWB Jr's fault. This whole Obamacare mess. Everybody knows that.Very Happy 
haha you made me laugh! Razz 

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