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Zimmerman prosecution witness cannot read her own letter

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Nekochan

Nekochan

But if Zimmerman is acquitted, will he be satisfied that the justice system worked?

VectorMan

VectorMan

2seaoat wrote:Where is Al Sharpton now? There should be plenty of cameras to get his mug in front of.


Probably very happy that the American justice system is working.

You've got it bad. Whatever it is that you progressives get. Or are you talking about another Al Sharpton?

Markle

Markle

I don't know for certain but I have been told that public schools no longer teach cursive writing.

I've only watched bits and pieces of the testimony but it APPEARS to me that this star witness and her friend conspired to "write" a letter as damning as possible for Zimmerman. It APPEARS to me that they never thought about being cross examined or other witnesses.

If this is the best the prosecution has, I think they're in deep doo doo.

If Zimmerman is found not guilty, Katie bar the doors. THEN we'll see Al Sharpton.

2seaoat



But if Zimmerman is acquitted, will he be satisfied that the justice system worked?


I cannot believe that he would think anything about this trial is unfair.......A person can be executed........and if the state cannot produce enough witnesses.....a murderer can be acquitted, but thousands never get that opportunity.....the state in their discretion does not bring charges.....their son is getting justice. Guilty or not guilty, a great many people have worked to discover the truth in his death.......so many families have loved ones murdered and never get this opportunity to search for the truth.

Guest


Guest

Nekochan wrote:But if Zimmerman is acquitted, will he be satisfied that the justice system worked?

Don't know... but what happened to him is unforgivable.

2seaoat



You've got it bad. Whatever it is that you progressives get. Or are you talking about another Al Sharpton?

I got it bad.......I see this as a simple criminal trial. This is no large statement on politics or race. It is an attempt by our great system to get to the truth. I trust the Jury system. I trust the defendant has very good counsel, and I trust the state is well prepared and trying to give the Jury the most information to make a decision. This has been a very good trial, and more like most trials than what the public usually gets in these celebrity trials out of California........Al Sharpton will be very happy with the results win or lose.......now the thousands of people who are victims of crime who never see a trial.....those people have a gripe.

Markle

Markle

2seaoat wrote:But if Zimmerman is acquitted, will he be satisfied that the justice system worked?


[b]I cannot believe that he would think anything about this trial is unfair.......A person can be executed........and if the state cannot produce enough witnesses.....a murderer can be acquitted, but thousands never get that opportunity.....the state in their discretion does not bring charges.....their son is getting justice.  Guilty or not guilty, a great many people have worked to discover the truth in his death.......so many families have loved ones murdered and never get this opportunity to search for the truth.  

Are you talking about Al Sharpton? Guilt or innocence has never been one of his criteria for any issue. Black or white is all that matters. Sharpton had those Lacrosse players arrested, tried and guilty the same day as the incident.

2seaoat



Are you talking about Al Sharpton? Guilt or innocence has never been one of his criteria for any issue. Black or white is all that matters. Sharpton had those Lacrosse players arrested, tried and guilty the same day as the incident.




So did Nancy Grace. What is your point......that folks at that time thought they were guilty......there would be a long line.......the system worked there also......and after the charges were dismissed......did you hear a word from Sharpton.......help me.......I was too busy being angry at Nancy Grace....so I do not remember.....do you have a link after the charges were dropped where Sharpton made a stink......that would be interesting.

Guest


Guest

This is an interesting article on somethings we didn't know like the Martin atty.Crump who was supposed to be deposed by Zimmerman's atty but wrote a written deposition where he couldn't be questioned. He supposedly was instrumental in assisting witnesses w/ their testimony. This current Judge Nelson accepted his deposition and wouldn't let the defense depose him. O'mara appealed her decision and she was overruled but now it is too late to get Crump's deposition.No wonder she wouldn't allow a continuance when the defense asked for it.

http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-backwards-trial-a-george-zimmerman-prosecution-primer/

Guest


Guest

The jury system works about as half as much as it doesn't work. It's not a great system. It has failed many people and the prosecution has the advantage.

2seaoat



The jury system works about as half as much as it doesn't work.

So juries get it wrong fifty percent of the time............? What stats do you have to back your claim? You are certainly entitled to your opinions, but folks familiar with the criminal justice system and actually participate would probably disagree with such a broad stroke generalization. Juries make mistakes.....judges make mistakes on bench trials.....but overwhelmingly the system works and guilty people are found guilty and innocent people are found NG.........otherwise our system would have been changed a 100 years ago if flipping a coin would give you the same results.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

2seaoat wrote: the system works

O.J. Simpson and Casey Anthony would be staunchly in agreement with you.

And so would the people who own the HLN tv network.  lol

2seaoat



Martin atty.Crump who was supposed to be deposed by Zimmerman's atty but wrote a written deposition where he couldn't be questioned.

Discovery gets cut off in any civil and criminal trial. If counsel hid evidence, the motion for sanctions will be granted. It may even be grounds for an appeal if there is a conviction, but the judge did nothing extraordinary......this is the real world......not hollywood....trials get done with limited resources......they do not have seven months to waste on one trial.......this trial will be fair, and it will be close....there are no slam dunks, or hidden evidence.....this will simply be more like the real world......grinders.

2seaoat



O.J. Simpson and Casey Anthony would be staunchly in agreement with you.

And so would the people who own the HLN tv network. lol


I doubt if OJ is happy with the system, and I doubt that Anthony is happy with the system.......few people who have been defendants, are happy being a criminal defendant.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

2seaoat wrote:

I doubt if OJ is happy with the system, and I doubt that Anthony is happy with the system.......few people who have been defendants, are happy being a criminal defendant.

Trust me,  O.J. was very happy with the system for all those years he was serving his sentence on the golf course where he was looking for the "real killer".  lol
That retard became unhappy with the system only after he totally blew it by pulling guns on people.

And Casey Anthony is damn happy with it.

and so are all the people who made tv careers out of both trials. especially the O.J. trial.

2seaoat



after he totally blew it by pulling guns on people.

I do not think OJ pulled a gun......I think he had knowledge that people who went to recover the property had guns......correct me if I am wrong.

that statement makes as much sense to me as telling a knock knock joke in an opening statement where a minor has died.......close but no cigar.

Nekochan

Nekochan

The knock knock joke was in poor taste. I don't know what he was thinking.

2seaoat



The knock knock joke was in poor taste. I don't know what he was thinking.


I think that with his cross of the teenager today, he is not gaining favor with the Jury. The witness was so bad, he could have rested without looking mean......I think he may have actually achieved just the opposite of the strategy on this witness. There is a strategy in the sequence of Prosecution witnesses. You want to get your weak witness out early enough in the trial to build around such a liability, but the cross today almost made this poor witness into a prosecution star..........I like the lead defense counsel. He is very good, and he disarms people with a likeable approach to the witness. He would have been much better on cross on this witness.......I think he has better instincts.......the pit bull routine may have backfired.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

2seaoat wrote:after he totally blew it by pulling guns on people.

I do not think OJ pulled a gun......I think he had knowledge that people who went to recover the property had guns......correct me if I am wrong.


He murdered two people and got away with it because an unbelievably expensive system utterly failed.
Alongside that, the distinction you're making in the quote above is not really very significant.

Nekochan

Nekochan

Seaoat, you may be right but there is still a ways to go in this. I haven't watched much of the trial but what I've seen of it, the prosecution witnesses, and not just the teenager, do not seem to help the prosecution's case.
Do you think Zimmerman will take the stand?

Nekochan

Nekochan

I do think that people who can afford high priced private attorneys have a much better chance of being acquitted.  I think this may be the one thing most unfair about our system.   Public defenders, even the very good ones, do not have the money or people to put that much time into their cases.



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2seaoat



He murdered two people and got away with it because an unbelievably expensive system utterly failed.
Alongside that, the distinction you're making in the quote above is not really very significant.



Actually, I have real concerns how fair his second trial was, and I certainly agree that the prosecutors blew OJ's prosecution in the first trial, but this was the exception....prosecutors overwhelming are better financed and prepared than criminal defense lawyers in the real world, and sorry, he did not pull a gun.

2seaoat



Do you think Zimmerman will take the stand?


There is a lot more evidence as a matter of law which the state has to introduce to get by a motion for directed verdict at the close of their case. If the trial was to end today, the motion for directed verdict would be granted, and Zimmerman and the defense would never have to put on a case. There are some more problems for the state on the powder burns on the t shirt and sweatshirt.......the experts are going to say the clothing was not on the skin at the time of the shot......so the state has a great deal of work to do build the foundation of Martin running from Zimmerman. The witness late today who identified the jacket as the person on top.....this is powerful ID......but it means nothing if at the time of the shooting the ballistics show the probable position with Martin on top and hanging clothes......the most important part of this case will be framing the story by all the witnesses showing Martin running from Zimmerman.......everybody is talking murder 2, but they may provide instructions for manslaughter and argue that this was grossly negligent and we have too much of the puzzle missing to know if Martin will take the stand............

But here is a clue......do you remember Governor Rod won his first trial.....well the prosecutors held back some of their best witnesses to impeach Rod once he took the stand as promised.....the experienced defense lawyers tricked them into leaving way too much evidence on the table.....they lost........what I am bothered by most in the sequence of the witnesses is that we have not heard a word about the statements of the defendant.......these will be where I think this case will be built.....but if the state does not get these witnesses on the stand.......Martin may rest and never take the stand......it will only take one juror to have doubt........so as I have said from the beginning......this will be the most important decision in the trial if they get by the motion for directed verdict.

Guest


Guest

2seaoat wrote:after he totally blew it by pulling guns on people.

I do not think OJ pulled a gun......I think he had knowledge that people who went to recover the property had guns......correct me if I am wrong.

that statement makes as much sense to me as telling a knock knock joke in an opening statement where a minor has died.......close but no cigar.

OJ planned the recovery w/ the guns.

Guest


Guest

2seaoat wrote:Do you think Zimmerman will take the stand?


There is a lot more evidence as a matter of law which the state has to introduce to get by a motion for directed verdict at the close of their case.  If the trial was to end today, the motion for directed verdict would be granted, and Zimmerman and the defense would never have to put on a case.   There are some more problems for the state on the powder burns on the t shirt and sweatshirt.......the experts are going to say the clothing was not on the skin at the time of the shot......so the state has a great deal of work to do build the foundation of Martin running from Zimmerman.   The witness late today who identified the jacket as the person on top.....this is powerful ID......but it means nothing if at the time of the shooting the ballistics show the probable position with Martin on top and hanging clothes......the most important part of this case will be framing the story by all the witnesses showing Martin running from Zimmerman.......everybody is talking murder 2, but they may provide instructions for manslaughter and argue that this was grossly negligent and we have too much of the puzzle missing to know if Martin will take the stand............

But here is a clue......do you remember Governor Rod won his first trial.....well the prosecutors held back some of their best witnesses to impeach Rod once he took the stand as promised.....the experienced defense lawyers tricked them into leaving way too much evidence on the table.....they lost........what I am bothered by most in the sequence of the witnesses is that we have not heard a word about the statements of the defendant.......these will be where I think this case will be built.....but if the state does not get these witnesses on the stand.......Martin may rest and never take the stand......it will only take one juror to have doubt........so as I have said from the beginning......this will be the most important decision in the trial if they get by the motion for directed verdict.

i don't know what you're talking about the statements of the defendant? This is the prosecutions case right now. The defense will put on their  own case next. There is not going to be a directed verdict w/ this judge. There are no witnesses to show Martin running from Zimmerman. I don't know where you get the hanging clothes are significant.Everything so far presented has beenin Zimmerman's favor w/ the exception of the girlfriend saying get off which has been refuted by an actual eye witness Martin was on top. Zimmerman will take the stand.



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