True testimonials on sting operations that law enforcement doesnt want you to hear.

Mr X wrote:

talknstang wrote:

Mr X wrote:http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/news/crime-law/boynton-beach-man-sentenced-to-nearly-10-years-in-/nLmLs/

Colletta's computer contained 49 images of child pornography, including children as young as an infant involved in sex acts.


Well?

i dont know the whole story about Gails son, so i cant defend him. I did hear that he wasnt the only one who had access to the computer in question....i dont remember the exact particulars. CP is a totally different issue, and a questionable one at that due to P2P, etc. From what i have read, there are scumbags out there that will find a vulnerable computer using p2p and store their stuff on other peoples computers w/o them knowing about it. Its really scary if you think about it. Not everybody is computer literate

HER son "admitted" to downloading the child porn.

"Colletta spoke with a task force detective, Charles Ramos, admitting he had downloaded it and used terms such as 4YO to search for children that age. He said he got a guilty pleasure from the images, but didn't like them."


Are you aware as to whom Gail Colletta is? Let me spell it out for you. You said "The FAC is a legitimate organization"

How can that be when Gail is President of the FAC:

http://www.floridaactioncommittee.org/legislative.htm


She blames the system when its a proven fact her son is indeed a dangerous sexual predator whom got "guilty pleasures" looking at 4 year old's being sexually abused.

She wants to change sex offender laws on behalf of her son but doesn't give a shit about babies being subjected to horrendous child sexual abuse. How shameful.

My point is, you are aligning yourself with a crowd that doesnt give a shit about protecting innocent children. You are guilty by association.

youre totally barking up the wrong tree and are off the beaten path for sure. All sex offenses are not child related....and you are wrong about that, but you are entitled to your own opinion as well. Thats what these forums are for and i appreciate your thoughts...in fact, i welcome them. I am not going to try and convince you of anything, but like i said, the questions i raise should be suspect about these stings. The CP thing is totally different and i dont even like to get involved in that debate, altough i have done a little bit of research on how they catch guys with CP. If you PM me your email, ill be more than happy to email you the presentation i made.

i am working on starting F-CAPE (Florida citizens against police entrapment) and am working with the founder of CAPE-DC at the moment. Sitting back and doing nothing is not the answer. I want to do things for the right reason, not the wrong reason. A big reason why they are so successful with these stings is public sentiment and the nature of the crimes.....they use that to their advantage.....everyone arrested is automatically guilty in the court of public opinion without even knowing the circumstances and that has got to change. I like this debate as i said and i dont mind the criticism......all i ask is keep an open mind and if you dont believe what i say, then investigate it yourself and see what you come up with because it will be the same stuff i did.

talknstang wrote:

Mr X wrote:

talknstang wrote:

Mr X wrote:http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/news/crime-law/boynton-beach-man-sentenced-to-nearly-10-years-in-/nLmLs/

Colletta's computer contained 49 images of child pornography, including children as young as an infant involved in sex acts.


Well?

i dont know the whole story about Gails son, so i cant defend him. I did hear that he wasnt the only one who had access to the computer in question....i dont remember the exact particulars. CP is a totally different issue, and a questionable one at that due to P2P, etc. From what i have read, there are scumbags out there that will find a vulnerable computer using p2p and store their stuff on other peoples computers w/o them knowing about it. Its really scary if you think about it. Not everybody is computer literate

HER son "admitted" to downloading the child porn.

"Colletta spoke with a task force detective, Charles Ramos, admitting he had downloaded it and used terms such as 4YO to search for children that age. He said he got a guilty pleasure from the images, but didn't like them."


Are you aware as to whom Gail Colletta is? Let me spell it out for you. You said "The FAC is a legitimate organization"

How can that be when Gail is President of the FAC:

http://www.floridaactioncommittee.org/legislative.htm


She blames the system when its a proven fact her son is indeed a dangerous sexual predator whom got "guilty pleasures" looking at 4 year old's being sexually abused.

She wants to change sex offender laws on behalf of her son but doesn't give a shit about babies being subjected to horrendous child sexual abuse. How shameful.

My point is, you are aligning yourself with a crowd that doesnt give a shit about protecting innocent children. You are guilty by association.

youre totally barking up the wrong tree and are off the beaten path for sure. All sex offenses are not child related....and you are wrong about that, but you are entitled to your own opinion as well. Thats what these forums are for and i appreciate your thoughts...in fact, i welcome them. I am not going to try and convince you of anything, but like i said, the questions i raise should be suspect about these stings. The CP thing is totally different and i dont even like to get involved in that debate, altough i have done a little bit of research on how they catch guys with CP. If you PM me your email, ill be more than happy to email you the presentation i made.

Your deflecting on the issue. You've aligned yourself with dangerous people whom seek to ABOLISH sex offender laws. Maybe your alleged victim was an older teenager but your associating with people that have committed heinous crimes against children & it doesnt bother you the least bit if you can accomplish "your" goals. Kinda like joining the KKK and saying you dont hate black people, but want to wear the pretty white hood.

Child Porn crackdown heads to House floor

http://news.wfsu.org/post/child-porn-crackdown-heads-house-floor

"But, Gail Colletta disagrees with the amount of penalties Eisnaugle is putting in place. She’s the president of Florida Action Committee, a group that seeks to make the public more aware about myths versus facts regarding sex offender issues.

“I’m also the Mom of a young man who got caught up in all of this, while he was in a manic phase of a bi-polar event. I’m not here simply to tell you my son’s story, but I will say that prosecutors are not separating out those that pose a threat from those that actually made a mistake even if it was a single occurrence. We’re taking away the lives of young men who really do not understand what it is that they’ve done.”



Gail "blames" the bi-polar issue her son has. Absolutely NO sympathy for her Son's multiple victims. She offers excuses.

And you support this kind of thinking as well.

like i said, youre barking up the wrong tree and i am not getting into a debate about CP. All i can say is that CP is disgusting but if someone is found to have it on their computers, i would look into why its there and where did it come from before i would label somebody. My issue is with the ridiculous amount of sting operations being performed for no reason, not CP.

talknstang wrote:like i said, youre barking up the wrong tree and i am not getting into a debate about CP. All i can say is that CP is disgusting but if someone is found to have it on their computers, i would look into why its there and where did it come from before i would label somebody. My issue is with the ridiculous amount of sting operations being performed for no reason, not CP.

No I'm not, you just refuse to admit to the truth of the matter. Its already a proven fact Alex Colletta downloaded lots of child porn. He admitted it in court. Gail Colletta blames his bi-polar issue as the reason why he downloaded CP. Another proven fact. You work alongside her to abolish sex offender laws. Another proven fact. Plenty of facts u refuse to face up to and as u align yourself with these people, it means u support these goals.

Your whole premise is suspect. You've refused to show any proof the cops set u up but you want us to take your word for it. No.

once again, you change the subject....i have nothing to do with the Coletta case and the threads i started are not about myself which is what you try to make it out to be. I dont have to reveal anything about my past case except i am not a registered sex offender nor will i ever be , but apparently you didnt read much of anything i posted before and there is no proof that i could show that would change anyone who doesnt listen properly. You go off the beaten path about things that i have nothing to do with and then you say i have no proof when i clearly showed just that about these stings in general. My topic was about stings being performed incorrectly and for no reason at all with the public being misled about how they make these arrest, and using taxpayer dollars in doing so. If you can find info about Coletta, etc. then you should have no problem finding info about this, but your accusations and associations are unjustified, unnecessary, and biased, so perhaps you are a cop....who cares. May the force be with you

talknstang wrote:once again, you change the subject....i have nothing to do with the Coletta case and the threads i started are not about myself which is what you try to make it out to be. I dont have to reveal anything about my past case except i am not a registered sex offender nor will i ever be , but apparently you didnt read much of anything i posted before and there is no proof that i could show that would change anyone who doesnt listen properly. You go off the beaten path about things that i have nothing to do with and then you say i have no proof when i clearly showed just that about these stings in general. My topic was about stings being performed incorrectly and for no reason at all with the public being misled about how they make these arrest, and using taxpayer dollars in doing so. If you can find info about Coletta, etc. then you should have no problem finding info about this, but your accusations and associations are unjustified, unnecessary, and biased, so perhaps you are a cop....who cares. May the force be with you

You have no credibility. You say this n that but cannot and will not back it up with any proof. You accuse the cops of doing stings illegally. Again, No factual proof. You'll work alongside sex offender advocates and pedophiles just so u can write up some biased "study". Plenty of red flags you've throw up here, but hey, you want us to trust you etc. Ha ha.

talknstang wrote:my duties within the Florida Action Committee were to deal with issues that arise from these stings. .I was also asked to work with that guy who posted that sign in his yard about being a sex offender in Destin a few months back.....i am not too familiar with Floridas sex offender laws, but i do know that they are some of the most strict laws in the country.

Since you are supposedly working with the Florida Action Committee that it would be a great idea for you to become familiar with the laws?

funny....i wouldnt call it a cruscade. I have no problem with them getting the true pervs off the streets, but the methods they are doing it are illegal and even criminal in nature and are arresting innocent men

talknstang wrote:funny....i wouldnt call it a cruscade. I have no problem with them getting the true pervs off the streets, but the methods they are doing it are illegal and even criminal in nature and are arresting innocent men

Illegal/Innocent? Back that up with some hard evidence.

Mr X wrote:

talknstang wrote:funny....i wouldnt call it a cruscade. I have no problem with them getting the true pervs off the streets, but the methods they are doing it are illegal and even criminal in nature and are arresting innocent men

Illegal/Innocent? Back that up with some hard evidence.

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Hard evidence...? LOL.

Are you a cop, an investigator, or just another vigilante stalker....?

I have been reading this thread with some interest knowing nothing about these cases. In the original post the second case illustrated a guy was told
That the person or persons they were communicating was i believe 14 and instead of dropping the chats asked what would happen id he went to hassee.
Now clearly wtf is this guy thinking? That is really hard to defend EVEN if he did quit the chats later.

In the case at hand her son is 22 and admitted to guilty pleasues in the most horrific thing imaginaeble. I am wondering since Mr.X you say he is a dangerous sexual predator, is there ( other than breaking the law by downloading this filth) any evidence that those who just view these images go on to commit actual physical abuse. Statistically that is?

surfnrg wrote:I have been reading this thread with some interest knowing nothing about these cases. In the original post the second case illustrated a guy was told
That the person or persons they were communicating was i believe 14 and instead of dropping the chats asked what would happen id he went to hassee.
Now clearly wtf is this guy thinking? That is really hard to defend EVEN if he did quit the chats later.

In the case at hand her son is 22 and admitted to guilty pleasues in the most horrific thing imaginaeble. I am wondering since Mr.X you say he is a dangerous sexual predator, is there ( other than breaking the law by downloading this filth) any evidence that those who just view these images go on to commit actual physical abuse. Statistically that is?

Yes. Several studies are mentioned.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relationship_between_child_pornography_and_child_sexual_abuse

Views on sublimation

Dr. Milton Diamond from the University of Hawaii shows evidence that "Legalizing child pornography is linked to lower rates of child sex abuse".
Results from the Czech Republic showed, as seen everywhere else studied (Canada, Croatia, Denmark, Germany, Finland, Hong Kong, Shanghai, Sweden, USA), that rape and other sex crimes have not increased following the legalization and wide availability of pornography. And most significantly, the incidence of child sex abuse has fallen considerably since 1989, when child pornography became readily accessible – a phenomenon also seen in Denmark and Japan. The findings support the theory that potential sexual offenders use child pornography as a substitute for sex crimes against children. While the authors do not approve of the use of real children in the production or distribution of child pornography, they say that artificially produced materials might serve a purpose."[2] Diamond suggests to provide artificially created child pornography that did not victimize any real children.
"If availability of pornography can reduce sex crimes, it is because the use of certain forms of pornography to certain potential offenders is functionally equivalent to the commission of certain types of sex offences: both satisfy the need for psychosexual stimulants leading to sexual enjoyment and orgasm through masturbation. If these potential offenders have the option, they prefer to use pornography because it is more convenient, unharmful and undangerous. (Kutchinsky, 1994, pp. 21)."[2]

I am really learning some things today this is unbelievably fascinating, i only copied the last part of the link given. There is no credible evidence in any statistically correlative studies that can link simply viewing child pornography to the actual commission of the act, a fact that i find simply remarkable. In fact quite the opposite has been demonstrated in quite diverse cultures.

I am sure this will surprise other forum readers, and while not defending gail colleta's son it is factually inaccurate to blankly categorize him as a dangerous sexual predator.

Point- counterpoint

But that doesn't address the issue of the abused kids in those porn vids.

Scarred for life dude. I've met more than a few permanently damaged people who were exploited as children. Their stories are horrific, and most of them used drugs and alcohol to cope with the shame.

Maybe that's why some Asian folk are into that animated BS...the victim is a string of ones and zeros.

Bill wrote:But that doesn't address the issue of the abused kids in those porn vids.

Scarred for life dude. I've met more than a few permanently damaged people who were exploited as children. Their stories are horrific, and most of them used drugs and alcohol to cope with the shame.

Maybe that's why some Asian folk are into that animated BS...the victim is a string of ones and zeros.

No it does not what my question really was bill, is are we targeting the right people? These stings are not going after those who MAKE the pornography but the end user. The answer in the best science is that the end user may not be a violent perpetrator at all. And if that is the best science backed up by experience in diverse cultures then i think it bears rethinking the approach. This is a very emotional subject AND RIGHTFULLY so. It will be highly politically charged.

I had no knowledge when i posed the question i would stumble upon these studies the one above only one of many. If what we are doing is not working then perhaps we should take a step back and listen to the science.

AND use every possible effort to bring those making these vids etc to s capital end, yes i think raping a child should be a capital offense in some cases.

Mr X wrote:

talknstang wrote:funny....i wouldnt call it a cruscade. I have no problem with them getting the true pervs off the streets, but the methods they are doing it are illegal and even criminal in nature and are arresting innocent men

Illegal/Innocent? Back that up with some hard evidence.

the evidence is that men do not troll ads on craigslist looking for minors, duh. They advertise an adult, and do a bait and switch when they reel you in. Craigslist is not a place where minors are supposed to be and if you read the terms of service, it specifically says that. To Catch a Predator would just lay back in already existing chat rooms and wait for the perpetrator. They didnt go out of their way to post a suggestive ad in the adult section of craigslist. If you cant see the difference, take your blinders off

talknstang wrote:

Mr X wrote:

talknstang wrote:funny....i wouldnt call it a cruscade. I have no problem with them getting the true pervs off the streets, but the methods they are doing it are illegal and even criminal in nature and are arresting innocent men

Illegal/Innocent? Back that up with some hard evidence.

the evidence is that men do not troll ads on craigslist looking for minors, duh. They advertise an adult, and do a bait and switch when they reel you in. Craigslist is not a place where minors are supposed to be and if you read the terms of service, it specifically says that. To Catch a Predator would just lay back in already existing chat rooms and wait for the perpetrator. They didnt go out of their way to post a suggestive ad in the adult section of craigslist. If you cant see the difference, take your blinders off

The sting in florida mentioned on another thread had adults going to a house with full knowledge that they were meeting a minor. I assume many of these people found their supposed victim on craigs list or another internet site?

surfnrg wrote:

talknstang wrote:

Mr X wrote:

talknstang wrote:funny....i wouldnt call it a cruscade. I have no problem with them getting the true pervs off the streets, but the methods they are doing it are illegal and even criminal in nature and are arresting innocent men

Illegal/Innocent? Back that up with some hard evidence.

the evidence is that men do not troll ads on craigslist looking for minors, duh. They advertise an adult, and do a bait and switch when they reel you in. Craigslist is not a place where minors are supposed to be and if you read the terms of service, it specifically says that. To Catch a Predator would just lay back in already existing chat rooms and wait for the perpetrator. They didnt go out of their way to post a suggestive ad in the adult section of craigslist. If you cant see the difference, take your blinders off

The sting in florida mentioned on another thread had adults going to a house with full knowledge that they were meeting a minor. I assume many of these people found their supposed victim on craigs list or another internet site?

mostly yes, and some men even posted ads in the adult section and cops responded to those. Obviously if you post an ad in the adult section you are not looking for any minor. Its pathetic....my issue is not with child porn, its with policing within the limits of our constitution.

http://www.cops.usdoj.gov/Publications/e10079110.pdf For those of you who need to learn a few things before you assume.

hold on a sec, i didnt read your post correctly.....there are different scenarios they use....a stepmother, a mother, father, etc. Someone who is of legal age and then they introduce the minor into the conversation and say stuff like. "well you can have the two of us, but not just me" coming from the adult. If there is any adult in the scenario at all, its bogus, yet they are getting away with it

"I am sure this will surprise other forum readers, and while not defending gail colleta's son it is factually inaccurate to blankly categorize him as a dangerous sexual predator."



I would think that watching a video of a 4 yr child being raped, Would make him very dangerous.

Mr X wrote:"I am sure this will surprise other forum readers, and while not defending gail colleta's son it is factually inaccurate to blankly categorize him as a dangerous sexual predator."



I would think that watching a video of a 4 yr child being raped, Would make him very dangerous.

you keep on bringing up CP........you have changed the subject over and over. The problem is with the sting operations being performed illegally

" the evidence is that men do not troll ads on craigslist looking for minors, duh"



Your a damn liar.

http://www.northjersey.com/news/FBI_seeking_potential_victims_of_Wayne_man_accused_of_soliciting_minors_online_for_sex.html

Federal authorities on Thursday asked for the public’s help in identifying potential victims of a township man who they said used Craigslist to solicit female minors for sex.

http://sunthisweek.com/2012/04/09/lakeville-man-arrested-for-attempting-to-lure-minors-over-craiglist/

Lakeville man arrested for attempting to lure minors over Craigslist



Next lie please.

Mr X wrote:"I am sure this will surprise other forum readers, and while not defending gail colleta's son it is factually inaccurate to blankly categorize him as a dangerous sexual predator."



I would think that watching a video of a 4 yr child being raped, Would make him very dangerous.

Surprisingly it does not.