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True testimonials on sting operations that law enforcement doesnt want you to hear.

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talknstang



If you can take the time to read through these, you will understand why something needs to be done. These are just a few of the stories they dont want you to hear. It is an atrocity....this should not be happening in our country

I have been following this website closely and I have to say all of the comments and
stories are really an example as to how corrupt and crooked these internet stings really
are. My son graduated from high school last May - May of 2011 and turned 18 the next
month in June. In October, we moved to Tallahassee so he can pursue his major at FSU
and one week later my son was arrested in one of these stings. Since then, he sees a
therapist every week for his anxiety which has come in tremendous amounts, and also
because at the time, we did not know he had been struggling with his sexual identity and
who he was, and this "investigator" or "member of law enforcement" was the first person
he had ever shared these feelings with. The ad that he had replied to on "Craigslist" was
"I'm tired of hiding who I am." The description read, "I'm tired of living a lie." So you
would think that behind that would be someone who had been struggling with their
sexuality and would be in the same situation as he was...NOT. My son was lured and
trapped into this, he trusted someone who he thought was in the same situation as he was
and was going through the same thing. Even our public defender told us that in the
emails, the investigator had initiated each segment of the conversation and lured into
coming over to this supposed "house," where they pulled him over BEFORE he even got
there and TOOK HIM to this house in another neighborhood. To make things more
difficult, my son is adopted (not the bad part, believe me) and he became in contact with
his biological family last Christmas who lives here in Tallahassee and wouldn't you know
it - were all in law enforcement, and his biological "uncle" was the arresting officer and
was the one who pulled him over and took him to this house...and you can bet, they have
cut off all contact with him. Since last October, my son is now 19 and can only go to
work, see his therapist and come home. He has yet to start college,(he was already out
one semester because of being an out-of-state student) and his anxiety stays through the
roof. Just the other night, he heard a helicopter flying over our house and thought it was
them coming after him again...which might sound like a little much, but believe me, the
mental anguish that he and our family are under has been enormous. Just think to
yourself
He wants nothing more than to move on from this nightmare and we want just that for
him and believe me... I know who I raised and I did not raise a pedophile. He doesn't
have access to his Facebook account but I look at it from time to time and see numerous
posts on his wall of support for him, not to mention the letters we have recieved from his
friends from high school and even former employers, which we have given to our public
defender. His therapist is on our side 100% and even she agrees that he is NOT pedophile
or predator material. She even has written a letter for the prosecutor saying that he is not
what they're trying to make him out to be. As for his case, we have had multiple case
managements and we are set for a trial on 8-20 but our public defender told us when we
met with him last week that he believes it will be continued because they aren't finished
with their investigation supposedly. I am telling you all now who ever is reading this, I
KNOW WHO I RAISED! And believe me he is not a pedophile. Just think to yourself,
being someone having to confront your family about your struggles with your sexual
identity in a way like this, just because you trusted someone and were lured in this
crooked investigation and made out to be someone you're entirely not. And, on top of
that, his biological family - has cut off all contact with him! What a way to lose a
relationship that you had been waiting for your entire life in a way like this. I am ready to
fight and my son is ready to fight, and I am more than willing to get into contact with
anyone who would like to form a united front, per say - to show that this was a complete
trap and that they can not be ruining people's lives like this. I noticed above the mention
of contacting the ACLU - and I will be more than willing to assist in any possible way I
can in forming this united front, showing that we are going to FIGHT! and we are NOT
GOING TO GIVE UP! Like I said before, I know who I raised and he is not pedophile
material. I loved him then, and I love him now through it all, he is MY son and HELL
HATH NO FURY WHEN IT COMES TO PROTECTING MY SON! My email address
is - and to the creator of this website, I know we exchanged
emails once already, but let me know of any specific information you might need on your
side and I will get it to you as soon as possible, and I am willing to do anything for you
and anyone else. Again, to all of you in this same situation, we can NOT give up! WE
CAN DO THIS!

mistakeSeptember 13, 2012 5:47 AM Here is my story.... I live in Panama City Florida
and I was a Master Sergeant in the Air Force before this happened. I was part of the
"Tally Op" sting in Tallahassee. I answered an ad in the Adult Personals section of
Craigslist it said " Wanna Be My first - w4m - 99" I answered accordingly with a little bit
of interest and without being graphic or anything. They eventually said they were 14
years old almost 15. then asked what I would do If I came to Tallahassee. I answered
"whatever you like". then they came back and said "well I would like to know before you
get here and I like a man that knows what he wants ahead of time". I responded back
thinking it wasn't a legit person and was graphic on one email. after that they made plans
for me to go up to Tallahassee and meet with them. I never showed up or went up there
even though they made plans 2 times for me to come up there. With that said, I never
traveled and I broke off all communications because I couldn't consciously carry on the
conversation anymore, just in case it was a minor. About 10 days after breaking off
the conversation, I was ordered by my commander to go talk to the Air Force Office of
Special Investigations (OSI). I followed my 1st Sergeant to the OSI office and was met
by an investigator from Tallahassee PD and an FDLE investigator. They traveled 2 hours
to panama city. After answering all thier questions as I was ordered to do so, I was
arrested and taken to Bay county Jail. I posted bond 2 days later. Since then I have
been on the local news, treated poorly by the military. The removed me from active duty
which also removes my retirement benefits , which I was eligible for in 3 years. I was
forced to take a job that is outside of my expertise and lower paying. I am barely making
my mortgage payment now. And I have had to pay alot for a good lawyer. At this point in
time my lawyer is trying to get the single charge of" illegal use of a computer service to
solicit" dropped. Unfortunately the damage to my reputation and my life is already done.
I have no career left and true no friends left. The military found me guilty before I had a
chance to defend myself. The rest of my community has found me guilty as well and I
have not even been tried in a court of law. I didn't travel, I didn't send any graphic
images I just had an email conversation with a fictitious person

18 months of hell!!!!!!!October 6, 2012 2:31 AM I am at my wits end, my husband
was arrested in one of these stings about 18 months ago. He placed a Craigslist ad
wanting to fulfill a fantasy of a threesome (no I did not know or approve of the add) an
cop from the ICAC contacted said ad as an adult female and her daughter, emails went
back and forth for some time, husband inquired about the daughter's age and was ignored,
after several weeks it was finally revealed she was a minor, they romanced and seduced
and then spoon fed him everything they wanted/needed to make the arrest, like send an
email detailing what you would like to do, buy a gift, etc. After the arrest we had several
visits from the FBI and a situation with one of the arresting officers. They asked for our
assistance and then used that to strong arm a plea from my husband or we would be
arrested for doing what they requested. My husband has NEVER been in trouble. They
searched multiple computers and there was not any child porn, chat rooms or child porn
sites found on any of the computers. He is fast approaching sentencing and is looking at
10 to 15 year sentence an the lawyer told him today to keep it low keyed at the sentencing
because if he makes the judge angry the judge could impose a life sentence. They
claim they do these stings to save the children, well what about all of our grandchildren
that are devastated by all of this, they adore their grandpa and miss him very
much. This has been a real eye opener and I now trust NO ONE. I want to do
something to get this changed but don't know where to even begin.

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Help out your cause and link this to a verifiable detailed accounting of these alleged events.

This little back water cesspool of malcontents has more than a couple of certifiable sociopaths who would love nothing more than to suck someone in with a well phrased quazi-formidable tale of woe is me and it's all the system's fault.

You say you trust no one...?

Get in line.

Link please....

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I view that with skepticism. All 3 accounts were in first person detail. No bias there whatsoever, yeah and there are no guilty people in prison, everyone is innocent.

talknstang



these are just a few of the accounts. Ever wonder why its all one sided? come on now, let be realistic here......the site is www.floridascandal.blogspot.com

Ive already touched on the issues in my other topic. The facts are facts and the numbers dont lie. We know who the liars are in these stings.....the arrest of 1 guilty person does not justify the arrest of innocent men. Those are not the principals our country was founded upon. They are not properly determining who fits their profile of a pedo. They are arresting anyone and everyone who will carry on a conversation. Wake up people...lord have mercy!

talknstang



those accounts i posted are just a few, there are many more, i just didnt include them due to their length.

now dont get me wrong, i am not anti-law enforcement. I too was once an MP in the US Army and also have my degree in criminology. Law enforcement is necessary because our society is too large and the diversity will not allow us to govern ourselves. But this is "Law Enforcement Gone Wild".....there are LEO's that have stated these stings are being performed incorrectly...its just that this information has not been made public yet. In time it will. There is no state that comes even close to Florida in the amount of the stings that are happening. Its not a tough one to figure out. I believe in keeping our children safe, but not in this fashion.

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talknstang wrote:these are just a few of the accounts. Ever wonder why its all one sided? come on now, let be realistic here......the site is www.floridascandal.blogspot.com

Ive already touched on the issues in my other topic. The facts are facts and the numbers dont lie. We know who the liars are in these stings.....the arrest of 1 guilty person does not justify the arrest of innocent men. Those are not the principals our country was founded upon. They are not properly determining who fits their profile of a pedo. They are arresting anyone and everyone who will carry on a conversation. Wake up people...lord have mercy!

I really hope that you do not place a lot of value in a blog, after all anybody can start a blog for any purpose they want, even to spread lies and innuendos. A reliable news source would be more reputable than a blog.

This blog is owned by someone that calls himself DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.com. When you click on his bio at the bottome of the page, it is blank. So go ahead and place all your marbles on someone that will not ever tell about himself.



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talknstang wrote:these are just a few of the accounts. Ever wonder why its all one sided? come on now, let be realistic here......the site is www.floridascandal.blogspot.com

Ive already touched on the issues in my other topic. The facts are facts and the numbers dont lie. We know who the liars are in these stings.....the arrest of 1 guilty person does not justify the arrest of innocent men. Those are not the principals our country was founded upon. They are not properly determining who fits their profile of a pedo. They are arresting anyone and everyone who will carry on a conversation. Wake up people...lord have mercy!

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From your link...

The people that the “law enforcement” agencies in Florida are arresting are innocent because they were not seeking for minors to have sexual encounters with. It is obvious because the stings are not even being performed in minor oriented websites and “law enforcement” agencies such as the Polk County Sheriff's Office blatantly lie and tell the public that the stings were performed in minor oriented websites just to give the impression of guilt.


True testimonials on sting operations that law enforcement doesnt want you to hear.  Quotation-1_zpsec8abd22




I get the feeling you aren't just some avenging citizen, righting wrongs and planting victory gardens.

How long ago was your arrest...?

2seaoat



The worst part are the suicides. My daughter is a prosecutor. She has dealt with having held her ground and recommending prison in plea negotiations. Just Friday she told me about a kid who had his fourth Driving while under the influence. She would not budge and recommended a year in prison, which with good time, the kid would have been out in 6 months. The defense Attorney came in court Friday with a smart asz smirk and told her the case should be dismissed. She said no the case will not be dismissed and it will go to trial. The lawyer then hands her the death certificate, and says yea it will be dismissed........my daughter asks how did he die........the attorney.....he killed himself. It is a tough job to prosecute people and protect society. It deeply bothered her that this kid did not get the intervention he needed after the first brush with the criminal system, but innocent people are safer now that the kid is not driving drunk.......but in these stings, completely innocent folks are stained with the overreach of a politically motivated task force which often looses sight of the goal.....to follow the law and do no harm.

My daughter prosecutes pedophiles and has some horrible stories which make your skin crawl, and like I have said my friend who tests the perps has shocked me with how hard wired the most dangerous of these folks are to children........but both of them have an unusually low opinion of these sting operations, and both think they are not getting the bad guys. It will take LEO and prosecutors to step up and challenge the wrongs which are being done.....but for those families who had a love one commit suicide because of the zealous overreach.....hell will be welcome relief for those who have overreached and sought grants and headlines. Shameful.

talknstang



Bill wrote:
talknstang wrote:these are just a few of the accounts. Ever wonder why its all one sided? come on now, let be realistic here......the site is www.floridascandal.blogspot.com

Ive already touched on the issues in my other topic. The facts are facts and the numbers dont lie. We know who the liars are in these stings.....the arrest of 1 guilty person does not justify the arrest of innocent men. Those are not the principals our country was founded upon. They are not properly determining who fits their profile of a pedo. They are arresting anyone and everyone who will carry on a conversation. Wake up people...lord have mercy!

........................................

From your link...

The people that the “law enforcement” agencies in Florida are arresting are innocent because they were not seeking for minors to have sexual encounters with. It is obvious because the stings are not even being performed in minor oriented websites and “law enforcement” agencies such as the Polk County Sheriff's Office blatantly lie and tell the public that the stings were performed in minor oriented websites just to give the impression of guilt.


True testimonials on sting operations that law enforcement doesnt want you to hear.  Quotation-1_zpsec8abd22




I get the feeling you aren't just some avenging citizen, righting wrongs and planting victory gardens.

How long ago was your arrest...?

Thats not my site, thank you very much. It contains a wealth of good information regarding what is happening to support my argument. I am working on getting my presentation posted from the research i have done over the past 2yrs.

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Thats not my site, thank you very much. It contains a wealth of good information regarding what is happening to support my argument. I am working on getting my presentation posted from the research i have done over the past 2yrs....

...................................

So, your research was culled from...?????

As for that link...?

Meh...



talknstang



2seaoat wrote:The worst part are the suicides. My daughter is a prosecutor. She has dealt with having held her ground and recommending prison in plea negotiations. Just Friday she told me about a kid who had his fourth Driving while under the influence. She would not budge and recommended a year in prison, which with good time, the kid would have been out in 6 months. The defense Attorney came in court Friday with a smart asz smirk and told her the case should be dismissed. She said no the case will not be dismissed and it will go to trial. The lawyer then hands her the death certificate, and says yea it will be dismissed........my daughter asks how did he die........the attorney.....he killed himself. It is a tough job to prosecute people and protect society. It deeply bothered her that this kid did not get the intervention he needed after the first brush with the criminal system, but innocent people are safer now that the kid is not driving drunk.......but in these stings, completely innocent folks are stained with the overreach of a politically motivated task force which often looses sight of the goal.....to follow the law and do no harm.

My daughter prosecutes pedophiles and has some horrible stories which make your skin crawl, and like I have said my friend who tests the perps has shocked me with how hard wired the most dangerous of these folks are to children........but both of them have an unusually low opinion of these sting operations, and both think they are not getting the bad guys. It will take LEO and prosecutors to step up and challenge the wrongs which are being done.....but for those families who had a love one commit suicide because of the zealous overreach.....hell will be welcome relief for those who have overreached and sought grants and headlines. Shameful.

You are exactly correct. And there have been suicides from these stings in fact. Steve Marshall committed suicide just a few days after he was arrested in Clay county last year. A civil case is pending from what i have found. Its sad but true. We need to be arresting the Ronald Browns. I dont know the particulars in his case or how he was found out last year, but it wasnt from one of these stings. If you havnt heard that story, google it. Those are the persons that are disgusting and need to be found before they commit a crime. That was a good job by law enforcement thank god.

talknstang



Bill wrote:Thats not my site, thank you very much. It contains a wealth of good information regarding what is happening to support my argument. I am working on getting my presentation posted from the research i have done over the past 2yrs....

...................................

So, your research was culled from...?????

As for that link...?

Meh...

I present facts not fiction. The arguments i make are true and precise. Read the other topic i posted.....so if you are an LEO thats involved with these things, you should be aware of whats going on.



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talknstang wrote:
Bill wrote:Thats not my site, thank you very much. It contains a wealth of good information regarding what is happening to support my argument. I am working on getting my presentation posted from the research i have done over the past 2yrs....

...................................

So, your research was culled from...?????

As for that link...?

Meh...

I present facts not fiction. The arguments i make are true and precise. Read the other topic i posted.....so if you are an LEO thats involved with these things, you should be aware of whats going on.




You ain't posting facts if it comes from a blog by someone that will not tell anyone about himself.

talknstang



i have researched and saved sting information in my study. In an online report by the NewsHerald on the Bay county sting, it was said,
" officers posing as boys and girls between ages of 8 and 14 visit websites and engage potential predators in chats on sex. In these cases, officers posted ads on websites with headlines like "yung fun 4 u-w4m-26".

now you tell me how in the world any men arrested for responding to this ad were actively seeking out children between 8-14yrs of age when they clearly advertise a 26yr old female? lmao Even better, that ad has since disappeared. Any wonder why that would be? Could it be the same reason that on page 38 of the ECSD press releases there is no mention of Operation Blue Shepherd that used to be there, or the same reason Channel 3 has deleted all accounts of it as well? Luckily i had a printout of that article. Sounds scandalous to me. Well people love hearing about a good scandal, and this one takes the cake!

2seaoat



You ain't posting facts if it comes from a blog by someone that will not tell anyone about himself.


Tell me how you would feel as a 20 year old kid who was just looking to get laid by an adult when they went to craigslist, and next thing you know you have been branded a ped.........do you think you would come on a forum with your real name and discuss what a dumb assz you had been going to craigslist in the first place.......these folks.....especially the innocent folks are consumed with shame.......and usually just give up the fight. It is horrible exploitation and entrapment......not in every case........not even in the original intent.....but the results and methodologies speak for themselves.....and folks blogging about the same are the only window for most people to look into this perverse and wrong method of getting the dangerous folks off the streets.

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You are exactly correct. And there have been suicides from these stings in fact. Steve Marshall committed suicide just a few days after he was arrested in Clay county last year. A civil case is pending from what i have found. Its sad but true. We need to be arresting the Ronald Browns. I dont know the particulars in his case or how he was found out last year, but it wasnt from one of these stings. If you havnt heard that story, google it. Those are the persons that are disgusting and need to be found before they commit a crime. That was a good job by law enforcement thank god.[/quote]

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"WE need to be arresting the Ronald Browns".


I see there is a consensus opinion, and you are here to share.

"I dont know the particulars in his case or how he was found out last year, but it wasnt from one of these stings."


Wait a minute, if you don't know the particulars, how do you know it wasnt (sic) from one of those stings..?

"Those are the persons that are disgusting and need to be found[/color] before they commit a crime."


Right. Those people are the disgusting ones who need to be found. They aren't anything like you, are they...?


When was your arrest...?





talknstang



ok, you want some facts.....read this article...specifically about what a certain assistant US attorney said.

http://www.alligator.org/news/local/article_995d8298-51c3-11e1-b651-0019bb2963f4.html

After reading that, learn what random virtue testing is. If you have any further questions, please let me know. I will be more than happy to explain it. Its just as simple as that. That is all the proof you need that these stings are wrong. Theres money to fund them and they want to use it for no reason....bada-bing....bada-boom. And if you can debate that, then you dont have an open mind....you are either biased, or a law enforcement agent involved with these stings. Hopefully that article wont get deleted....im surprised it hasnt been yet like others

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2seaoat wrote:You ain't posting facts if it comes from a blog by someone that will not tell anyone about himself.


Tell me how you would feel as a 20 year old kid who was just looking to get laid by an adult when they went to craigslist, and next thing you know you have been branded a ped.........do you think you would come on a forum with your real name and discuss what a dumb assz you had been going to craigslist in the first place.......these folks.....especially the innocent folks are consumed with shame.......and usually just give up the fight. It is horrible exploitation and entrapment......not in every case........not even in the original intent.....but the results and methodologies speak for themselves.....and folks blogging about the same are the only window for most people to look into this perverse and wrong method of getting the dangerous folks off the streets.

As I said there are no innocents in prison.

Since this guy will not tell anything about himself, how the hell do you know that he has be branded a pedophile or not. How do you know that he is not just a great story teller just to further his agenda.

If I read this from a reliable and reputable source then I may place some validity on it, but from a blog, then no thanks.

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talknstang wrote:ok, you want some facts.....read this article...specifically about what a certain assistant US attorney said.

http://www.alligator.org/news/local/article_995d8298-51c3-11e1-b651-0019bb2963f4.html

After reading that, learn what random virtue testing is. If you have any further questions, please let me know. I will be more than happy to explain it. Its just as simple as that. That is all the proof you need that these stings are wrong. Theres money to fund them and they want to use it for no reason....bada-bing....bada-boom. And if you can debate that, then you dont have an open mind....you are either biased, or a law enforcement agent involved with these stings. Hopefully that article wont get deleted....im surprised it hasnt been yet like others

........................................

Are you dodging some facts that might prove prejudicial to your argument...?

I asked twice if you are a victim of one of those stings, which BTW....I absolutely oppose on GP and the entrapment that comes with those ops.

If you dodge the question again, I have my answer...and you most definitely have my sympathies.


talknstang



PM me with your email, i will send you a copy of the presentation with supporting documents. I made it very easy to explain. My information did not necessarily come from that blog. The testimonials did, yes. But if you want to argue with the blog, well case law is case law......its not really subject to our interpretation, thats the courts job. If this were not happening, it wouldnt be a heated topic for discussion. The main point is easy to make...they are doing these stings for no reason, and that is illegal!

talknstang



to answer you question, yes i was, and i am proof that these goddam things are messed up. But i solicited nobody and i was solicited a total of 15 times and i had no communication with anyone that was purported to be a minor. The entrapment occurs well before any travel to meet. That is just a tool they use to make you look guilty. They lied to you and they lied to me. I am not afraid to talk about it. So if anybody knows the facts its me. But i am a goddam fiighter, and ill be darn if i was going to let this crap happen to me and i beat those BS charges....i am not a registered sex offender and i didnt have to go to jail for any of this BS, but i very well could have been. So i fight for all those guys that i know have been wronged....it pains me for what they are going through. Of course i lost everything anyway after the arrest. Its horrible, so yea i was arrested. If you want to call is BIASED, go ahead....i call it LIVING PROOF. I am not one bit ashamed at all and if there is anything i can do to help others out, well that is what i will do to the best of my ability......and i have done just that so far......i hope that answers your question.

talknstang



also, i beat those bogus charges with a public defender. PD's get such a bad rep and i am going to share some info with people. The PD's are only going to put in as much time to a case as their clients do. If you just sit back and wait for things to happen, then you are going to be in for a world of hurt. There are always going to be a few bad apples, but i was very fortunate so i applaud the PD's that go the extra mile for a just cause!

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Go for it...fight the good fight.

Good luck on your efforts.

talknstang



and if you want more since i seem to be on a roll, they lied and invented things i didnt say in the arrest report lol also rearranged words in a manner that made me sound guilty as sin. Oh its there. That is what you call falsifying an arrest report which is illegal. It is all documented in black and white...theres no denying it. I will not make that info public since its being used as part of my civil case. And there are many other errors, trust me on that one.

talknstang



Bill wrote:Go for it...fight the good fight.

Good luck on your efforts.

thanks, i appreciate it.....its just not about me.....its about all the guys that havnt been so fortunate. I never knew how corrupt the system actually is and they never offered that class at FSU's school of criminology, lol. Perhaps they need to add that to their curriculum. Needless to say, it still hasnt been an easy road for me, but at least i am not behind bars and i can tell my story.

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