pay attention if you plan on voting to get a gov who will expand medicaid

ppaca wrote:So who shall we blame? Since this has been happening many, many years. Nothing new here.

ppaca wrote:So who shall we blame? Since this has been happening many, many years. Nothing new here.

Markle wrote:

ppaca wrote:So who shall we blame? Since this has been happening many, many years. Nothing new here.

Wrong, there is a LOT that is new.

ObamaCare is now forcing many people into Medicaid who have very low income but sizeable estates.  They have been forced OUT of the insurance they had, were happy with, and could afford.

Now they don't have an option and BIG GOVERNMENT will seize part of their estate when they die.

ppaca wrote:Nope you all are incorrect, been happening for many years. If someone has a sizable estate and to damn cheap to purchase their own insurance then they deserve to be on Medicaid, no one is forced into Medicaid, you can go without.

ppaca wrote:Nope you all are incorrect, been happening for many years. If someone has a sizable estate and to damn cheap to purchase their own insurance then they deserve to be on Medicaid, no one is forced into Medicaid, you can go without.

ppaca wrote:Nope you all are incorrect, been happening for many years. If someone has a sizable estate and to damn cheap to purchase their own insurance then they deserve to be on Medicaid, no one is forced into Medicaid, you can go without.

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:Now to answer utter ignorance, and especially from someone who is suppose to be a real estate professional. You cannot handicap stupidity.

Why don't you just come out and tell said person they are full of shit?

Dot wrote:specially people like bob

Markle wrote:

2seaoat wrote:I guess this applies to anyone on Medicaid now


No

I am thankful we have a knowledgeable insurance person who is so polite with the idiocy which is like an old timex watch.....they keep on ticking....even after a licking.

Yes this has been going on for over 30 years.

Now to answer utter ignorance, and especially from someone who is suppose to be a real estate professional.  A person has a modest 30k home paid for but no income except a small social security check.  He has no insurance.  He gets sick and has 50k of medical bills after his death....whether it is the government, the doctors, or the hospital, they can make a claim for those services of the last illness against the estate and the probate judge can sell the home and apply the net proceeds to those bills.

Now that same person signs up for the affordable care act and because he has no real assets and income is placed on medicaid.  The Attorney general if each state will file a medicaid lien on that home, but different than the person with no insurance, the hospital and doctors are paid.  The difference is that the state will not foreclose on that lien until any surviving spouse or children have died or sold the house and moved, so the affordable care act actually gives uninsured persons protections they would not get but for being on medicaid.

You cannot handicap stupidity.[/quote

That's true so I will not try with you.

No longer has anything to do with their assets.  If their income is very low, they get stuck with Medicaid.  If they don't like it, and want to pay for their old insurance, tough, you're stuck with Medicaid.

ppaca wrote:There is a misconception here that everyone is mandated to have health insurance: The mandate ends if your income falls under $11,490.00 here in the state of Florida, you have no medicaid, you have no health insurance and you have no penalty.

ppaca wrote:

Markle wrote:

2seaoat wrote:I guess this applies to anyone on Medicaid now


No

I am thankful we have a knowledgeable insurance person who is so polite with the idiocy which is like an old timex watch.....they keep on ticking....even after a licking.

Yes this has been going on for over 30 years.

Now to answer utter ignorance, and especially from someone who is suppose to be a real estate professional.  A person has a modest 30k home paid for but no income except a small social security check.  He has no insurance.  He gets sick and has 50k of medical bills after his death....whether it is the government, the doctors, or the hospital, they can make a claim for those services of the last illness against the estate and the probate judge can sell the home and apply the net proceeds to those bills.

Now that same person signs up for the affordable care act and because he has no real assets and income is placed on medicaid.  The Attorney general if each state will file a medicaid lien on that home, but different than the person with no insurance, the hospital and doctors are paid.  The difference is that the state will not foreclose on that lien until any surviving spouse or children have died or sold the house and moved, so the affordable care act actually gives uninsured persons protections they would not get but for being on medicaid.

You cannot handicap stupidity.[/quote

That's true so I will not try with you.

No longer has anything to do with their assets.  If their income is very low, they get stuck with Medicaid.  If they don't like it, and want to pay for their old insurance, tough, you're stuck with Medicaid.

NO if a person qualify's for medicaid and he/she wants to purchase a regular plan and pay full price they may do so, they do not have to take the medicaid.

Bob wrote:

Dot wrote:specially people like bob

As of Feb 1st I'm on MediCARE.  No Medicaid for me.

And I'm now a one issue voter.  I'll vote for anybody who I believe will take money from poor people,  welfare people,  rich people, defense contractors,  gays,  straights,  foreign aid,  wars,  churches, the highway department,  the public schools or anybody or anything else,  and give that money to the Medicare system.  And it can be a democrat politician,  a republican,  a tea party,  the Whig Party,  the communist party or the people who drink party.  
That's who I'll be voting for from now until I die.

Dot wrote:

ppaca wrote:

Markle wrote:

2seaoat wrote:I guess this applies to anyone on Medicaid now


No

I am thankful we have a knowledgeable insurance person who is so polite with the idiocy which is like an old timex watch.....they keep on ticking....even after a licking.

Yes this has been going on for over 30 years.

Now to answer utter ignorance, and especially from someone who is suppose to be a real estate professional.  A person has a modest 30k home paid for but no income except a small social security check.  He has no insurance.  He gets sick and has 50k of medical bills after his death....whether it is the government, the doctors, or the hospital, they can make a claim for those services of the last illness against the estate and the probate judge can sell the home and apply the net proceeds to those bills.

Now that same person signs up for the affordable care act and because he has no real assets and income is placed on medicaid.  The Attorney general if each state will file a medicaid lien on that home, but different than the person with no insurance, the hospital and doctors are paid.  The difference is that the state will not foreclose on that lien until any surviving spouse or children have died or sold the house and moved, so the affordable care act actually gives uninsured persons protections they would not get but for being on medicaid.

You cannot handicap stupidity.[/quote

That's true so I will not try with you.

No longer has anything to do with their assets.  If their income is very low, they get stuck with Medicaid.  If they don't like it, and want to pay for their old insurance, tough, you're stuck with Medicaid.

NO if a person qualify's for medicaid and he/she wants to purchase a regular plan and pay full price they may do so, they do not have to take the medicaid.

how nice. so a person on a fixed income who owns a home falls into the category of Medicaid. doesn't want to buy it because they want to leave their home to their children as inheritance. so they decide to not get Medicaid, that is if they even know about this provision, and I doubt it. they get no subsidy, but all those people making 30 or more thousand a year get a subsidy.

seems to me there is some deception. and with all these millions of new people being pushed onto Medicaid I think this provision should be public and more transparent.

Dot wrote:
lol bob, youll still need a med sup plan.

ppaca wrote:

Markle wrote:

2seaoat wrote:I guess this applies to anyone on Medicaid now


No

I am thankful we have a knowledgeable insurance person who is so polite with the idiocy which is like an old timex watch.....they keep on ticking....even after a licking.

Yes this has been going on for over 30 years.

Now to answer utter ignorance, and especially from someone who is suppose to be a real estate professional.  A person has a modest 30k home paid for but no income except a small social security check.  He has no insurance.  He gets sick and has 50k of medical bills after his death....whether it is the government, the doctors, or the hospital, they can make a claim for those services of the last illness against the estate and the probate judge can sell the home and apply the net proceeds to those bills.

Now that same person signs up for the affordable care act and because he has no real assets and income is placed on medicaid.  The Attorney general if each state will file a medicaid lien on that home, but different than the person with no insurance, the hospital and doctors are paid.  The difference is that the state will not foreclose on that lien until any surviving spouse or children have died or sold the house and moved, so the affordable care act actually gives uninsured persons protections they would not get but for being on medicaid.

You cannot handicap stupidity.[/quote

That's true so I will not try with you.

No longer has anything to do with their assets.  If their income is very low, they get stuck with Medicaid.  If they don't like it, and want to pay for their old insurance, tough, you're stuck with Medicaid.

NO if a person qualify's for medicaid and he/she wants to purchase a regular plan and pay full price they may do so, they do not have to take the medicaid.