Bill O'Reilly once again hits it out of the park with his Talking Points Memo on RACE. Listen up Obama!

Joanimaroni wrote:

Sir Loin wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:

Sal wrote:

Joanimaroni wrote:

Are blacks biologically prone to violence....of course not.

Dreams said blacks think it's OK to hit people.

Them and you apparently since you all think Zimmerman wasn't justified.

As I understand from trial testimony, Zimmerman was taking lessons in MMA.  One of the first things they teach is defensive posturing.  GZ abandoned that in his effort to pull his gun.  If he had gone turtle and waited for an opening to grab that punk and hug him down, he would have neutralized his aggressor and contained his "attack".  

It's really not as complicated as we have been told.  GZ wasn't interested in holding TM until LEO arrived.  He did not want two stories involved in the investigation.

You obviously didn't listen to all the testimony or you don't want to acknowledge the testimony of his instructor.

Another sock?

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You were banned.

Sir Loin wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:

Sal wrote:

Joanimaroni wrote:

Are blacks biologically prone to violence....of course not.

Dreams said blacks think it's OK to hit people.

Them and you apparently since you all think Zimmerman wasn't justified.

As I understand from trial testimony, Zimmerman was taking lessons in MMA.  One of the first things they teach is defensive posturing.  GZ abandoned that in his effort to pull his gun.  If he had gone turtle and waited for an opening to grab that punk and hug him down, he would have neutralized his aggressor and contained his "attack".  

It's really not as complicated as we have been told.  GZ wasn't interested in holding TM until LEO arrived.  He did not want two stories involved in the investigation.

boards of FL wrote:

Joanimaroni wrote:Skewed data? Probably, if you don't consider all the factors leading to the reason for increased violence and crime. Is it just the black population, no. Is it just poverty, no. Major contributing factors;  Loss of conventional family structure, yes. Loss of morality, yes. Absence of core values, yes. Lack of education, yes. Desire for instant gratification, yes. Drugs, yes.  Higher percentage of mental illness and mental deficiencies, yes.

Are blacks biologically prone to violence....of course not.

I would say it's a combination of omitted variables that skew the data and of course the fact that black people were enslaved for hundreds of years and it wasn't but a mere several generations ago that they were even allowed to vote or given many other basic rights in this country.  I think people often forget that it really wasn't that long ago in the grand scheme of things.  

Any attempts to address this are usually met with opposition that cites the very statistics that shed light on the underlying problem, oddly enough.

"White people don't force black people to have babies out of wedlock. That's a personal decision; a decision that has devastated millions of children and led to disaster both socially and economically."

Yes, Bill!  White people have nothing to do with this cultural phenomenon!  He really hit the nail on the head, right guys?

Dreamsglore wrote:

Sir Loin wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:

Sal wrote:

Joanimaroni wrote:

Are blacks biologically prone to violence....of course not.

Dreams said blacks think it's OK to hit people.

Them and you apparently since you all think Zimmerman wasn't justified.

As I understand from trial testimony, Zimmerman was taking lessons in MMA.  One of the first things they teach is defensive posturing.  GZ abandoned that in his effort to pull his gun.  If he had gone turtle and waited for an opening to grab that punk and hug him down, he would have neutralized his aggressor and contained his "attack".  

It's really not as complicated as we have been told.  GZ wasn't interested in holding TM until LEO arrived.  He did not want two stories involved in the investigation.

That's utter bullshit. For anyone to say anyone should have to be beaten like that no matter what the attacker's age is bereft of any sense at all. You "neutralize" your aggressor if you want. I will be fighting for my life up to and including killing him and will be lawfully doing so.

Markle wrote:

boards of FL wrote:

Joanimaroni wrote:Skewed data? Probably, if you don't consider all the factors leading to the reason for increased violence and crime. Is it just the black population, no. Is it just poverty, no. Major contributing factors;  Loss of conventional family structure, yes. Loss of morality, yes. Absence of core values, yes. Lack of education, yes. Desire for instant gratification, yes. Drugs, yes.  Higher percentage of mental illness and mental deficiencies, yes.

Are blacks biologically prone to violence....of course not.

I would say it's a combination of omitted variables that skew the data and of course the fact that black people were enslaved for hundreds of years and it wasn't but a mere several generations ago that they were even allowed to vote or given many other basic rights in this country.  I think people often forget that it really wasn't that long ago in the grand scheme of things.  

Any attempts to address this are usually met with opposition that cites the very statistics that shed light on the underlying problem, oddly enough.

"White people don't force black people to have babies out of wedlock. That's a personal decision; a decision that has devastated millions of children and led to disaster both socially and economically."

Yes, Bill!  White people have nothing to do with this cultural phenomenon!  He really hit the nail on the head, right guys?

Give up on the slavery line, no one alive has ever been a slave, slave owner or known someone who was.  Millions of people have come to our country where slavery is common today and have made great, prosperous citizens.

If anyone should bear any resentments, it would be the Japanese who were interned in WWII camps having everything taken from them.  Today their children have among the lowest crime rate, highest high school and college graduation rates and for owning businesses.  Why them and not black?

No one convinced the Japanese that they were victims and lack the ability to advance on their own and can only survive on government stipend.

What's more, they don't have a cadre of race hustlers constantly reinforcing the false notion that they are victims and the WHITE MAN is out to enslave them.

Sir Loin wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:

Sir Loin wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:

Sal wrote:

Joanimaroni wrote:

Are blacks biologically prone to violence....of course not.

Dreams said blacks think it's OK to hit people.

Them and you apparently since you all think Zimmerman wasn't justified.

As I understand from trial testimony, Zimmerman was taking lessons in MMA.  One of the first things they teach is defensive posturing.  GZ abandoned that in his effort to pull his gun.  If he had gone turtle and waited for an opening to grab that punk and hug him down, he would have neutralized his aggressor and contained his "attack".  

It's really not as complicated as we have been told.  GZ wasn't interested in holding TM until LEO arrived.  He did not want two stories involved in the investigation.

That's utter bullshit. For anyone to say anyone should have to be beaten like that no matter what the attacker's age is bereft of any sense at all. You "neutralize" your aggressor if you want. I will be fighting for my life up to and including killing him and will be lawfully doing so.

In other words, you have never seen an MMA fight, where hundreds of punches are exchanged, blood is prevalent, and defensive posturing is a prominent part of the fight.

Dreamsglore wrote:

Sir Loin wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:

Sir Loin wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:

Sal wrote:

Joanimaroni wrote:

Are blacks biologically prone to violence....of course not.

Dreams said blacks think it's OK to hit people.

Them and you apparently since you all think Zimmerman wasn't justified.

As I understand from trial testimony, Zimmerman was taking lessons in MMA.  One of the first things they teach is defensive posturing.  GZ abandoned that in his effort to pull his gun.  If he had gone turtle and waited for an opening to grab that punk and hug him down, he would have neutralized his aggressor and contained his "attack".  

It's really not as complicated as we have been told.  GZ wasn't interested in holding TM until LEO arrived.  He did not want two stories involved in the investigation.

That's utter bullshit. For anyone to say anyone should have to be beaten like that no matter what the attacker's age is bereft of any sense at all. You "neutralize" your aggressor if you want. I will be fighting for my life up to and including killing him and will be lawfully doing so.

In other words, you have never seen an MMA fight, where hundreds of punches are exchanged, blood is prevalent, and defensive posturing is a prominent part of the fight.

Does it include cracking your head on the concrete? LOL!

Dreamsglore wrote:

Sir Loin wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:

Sir Loin wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:

Sal wrote:

Joanimaroni wrote:

Are blacks biologically prone to violence....of course not.

Dreams said blacks think it's OK to hit people.

Them and you apparently since you all think Zimmerman wasn't justified.

As I understand from trial testimony, Zimmerman was taking lessons in MMA.  One of the first things they teach is defensive posturing.  GZ abandoned that in his effort to pull his gun.  If he had gone turtle and waited for an opening to grab that punk and hug him down, he would have neutralized his aggressor and contained his "attack".  

It's really not as complicated as we have been told.  GZ wasn't interested in holding TM until LEO arrived.  He did not want two stories involved in the investigation.

That's utter bullshit. For anyone to say anyone should have to be beaten like that no matter what the attacker's age is bereft of any sense at all. You "neutralize" your aggressor if you want. I will be fighting for my life up to and including killing him and will be lawfully doing so.

In other words, you have never seen an MMA fight, where hundreds of punches are exchanged, blood is prevalent, and defensive posturing is a prominent part of the fight.

Does it include cracking your head on the concrete? LOL!

Joanimaroni wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:

Sir Loin wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:

Sir Loin wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:

Sal wrote:

Joanimaroni wrote:

Are blacks biologically prone to violence....of course not.

Dreams said blacks think it's OK to hit people.

Them and you apparently since you all think Zimmerman wasn't justified.

As I understand from trial testimony, Zimmerman was taking lessons in MMA.  One of the first things they teach is defensive posturing.  GZ abandoned that in his effort to pull his gun.  If he had gone turtle and waited for an opening to grab that punk and hug him down, he would have neutralized his aggressor and contained his "attack".  

It's really not as complicated as we have been told.  GZ wasn't interested in holding TM until LEO arrived.  He did not want two stories involved in the investigation.

That's utter bullshit. For anyone to say anyone should have to be beaten like that no matter what the attacker's age is bereft of any sense at all. You "neutralize" your aggressor if you want. I will be fighting for my life up to and including killing him and will be lawfully doing so.

In other words, you have never seen an MMA fight, where hundreds of punches are exchanged, blood is prevalent, and defensive posturing is a prominent part of the fight.

Does it include cracking your head on the concrete? LOL!

He doesn't know a damn thing about MMA instructions. He learned a knew phrase....defensive posturing. LOL

There is a huge difference in taking classes, sparring with a willing opponent (which George didn't do) and street fighting. The difference is not realized until you fight competitively and even then you have a referee to control the competition.  Trayvon was into street fighting.

PkrBum wrote:Dreamy was never a party tow imo. There were and are times we will never agree... but she is not intractable.

What she is defending imo is simple logic... that being practical thinking. We all should be looking at solutions.

Not necessarily govt solutions... perhaps social solutions... the current path is anti-productive.

Sal wrote: I wish Joanie would weigh in honestly on this. 


Superficial wounds to the scalp bleed like crazy. 


The wounds to Zimmo's head were just that - superficial. 


I have a bunch of registered nurses in my immediate family, and every single one has opined that the wounds to Zimmo's head were superficial. 


Not consistent with having one's head bashed into concrete. 


A CONCUSSION is consistent with having one's head bashed into the concrete.

Sal wrote: I wish Joanie would weigh in honestly on this. 


Superficial wounds to the scalp bleed like crazy. 


The wounds to Zimmo's head were just that - superficial. 


I have a bunch of registered nurses in my immediate family, and every single one has opined that the wounds to Zimmo's head were superficial. 


Not consistent with having one's head bashed into concrete. 


A CONCUSSION is consistent with having one's head bashed into the concrete.

Markle wrote:



I thought you had to be 18 to have tattoo's.

Joanimaroni wrote:

Honestly....yes, the head is vascular and lacerations to the scalp do bleed...especially if you go through to the subcutaneous tissue. His injuries would be consistent with having his head pounded until the skin broke open (smashing injury)....Looking at the photo's and if he went to the ER one of the laceration would have had steri-strips, skin glue (Dermabond) or staples/suture 2-3 max. The wounds were not the kind that a piercing instrument would have done....those have a hell of a lot more bleeding.

Sal wrote:

Joanimaroni wrote:

Honestly....yes, the head is vascular and lacerations to the scalp do bleed...especially if you go through to the subcutaneous tissue. His injuries would be consistent with having his head pounded until the skin broke open (smashing injury)....Looking at the photo's and if he went to the ER one of the laceration would have had steri-strips, skin glue (Dermabond) or staples/suture 2-3 max. The wounds were not the kind that a piercing instrument would have done....those have a hell of a lot more bleeding.

 Wouldn't you expect a skull subjected to repeated bashing against concrete to suffer a concussion?

PkrBum wrote:If you are mounted in a mma fight you are in very bad shape and most likely about to have to tap from ground and pound.