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Silence continues on the forum regarding Ferguson.

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Hospital Bob
Vikingwoman
Sal
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2seaoat
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Sal

Sal

Vikingwoman wrote:
Brown had wounds to his thumb and palm shot from an inch away. That's how I jumped to that conclusion.

People who are attacked with knives routinely have stab wounds to their hands.

They are not the result of reaching for the knife.

Vikingwoman



What were the injuries on the cop? He said Brown started punching him in the face when he told him to get on the sidewalk. Pretty believable from kid who just pushed a store clerk and took some cigars.

2seaoat



The struggle and shooting in the car is not relevant to the charge of murder. It is what happened after the struggle when the kid was running after being wounded. It is like Pace trying to show voter fraud in a video by posting the dumbest logic with the hope that someone will buy into it. That after being shot in the hand and running almost fifty plus feet from the squad, that he would stop and charge the police officer.............I have some Florida swampland to sell you.

Vikingwoman



Sal wrote:
Vikingwoman wrote:
Brown had wounds to his thumb and palm shot from an inch away. That's how I jumped to that conclusion.

People who are attacked with knives routinely have stab wounds to their hands.

They are not the result of reaching for the knife.

Ehh, I'm not buying he got the gun shot wound to his hand w/o some sort of grabbing for the gun.

Sal

Sal



Can someone please explain why these men's immediate reactions are to lie?

Vikingwoman



2seaoat wrote:The struggle and shooting in the car is not relevant to the charge of murder.  It is what happened after the struggle when the kid was running after being wounded.  It is like Pace trying to show voter fraud in a video by posting the dumbest logic with the hope that someone will buy into it.   That after being shot in the hand and running almost fifty plus feet from the squad, that he would stop and charge the police officer.............I have some Florida swampland to sell you.

I don't really know what happened after he ran but to say someone wouldn't charge an officer after he got shot defies history. People have done it.

2seaoat



What were the injuries on the cop? He said Brown started punching him in the face when he told him to get on the sidewalk. Pretty believable from kid who just pushed a store clerk and took some cigars.


There has never been one witness who denied the struggle in the police car. It happened. The police officer drew his gun and shot Michael. Michael ran wounded from the squad. The officer exits firing away. Michael turns with hands up and gets shot some more with a fatal headshot in that flurry of bullets. What happen in the squad would have ended up with Michael being charged because of the struggle. A good lawyer probably would have got him off before the officer shot him in the hand. Once he was shot, he was going to face criminal charges. So as far as I know, no person is saying Michael Brown did not struggle with the officer. It would be important if it was relevant to the charge of murder. Now if the officer is claiming self defense, that is an affirmative defense he can make, but the state has their case.......unless somebody's father was a policeman killed by a black man.....then that case may never see the light of day.

Joanimaroni

Joanimaroni

2seaoat wrote:The struggle and shooting in the car is not relevant to the charge of murder.  It is what happened after the struggle when the kid was running after being wounded.  It is like Pace trying to show voter fraud in a video by posting the dumbest logic with the hope that someone will buy into it.   That after being shot in the hand and running almost fifty plus feet from the squad, that he would stop and charge the police officer.............I have some Florida swampland to sell you.

Was he running?

2seaoat



I don't really know what happened after he ran but to say someone wouldn't charge an officer after he got shot defies history. People have done it.


The four witnesses gave immediate and consistent statements. If Michael was suicidal, I would agree.....yes people have done that. The witnesses and logic tell a story which makes complete sense. A piszed out of control cop firing with abandon at an unarmed kid who had resisted his attempt to pull him in the squad, and did not move as fast as he liked after telling them to get on the F'ing sidewalk. The key for me is the creation of the fantasy, and the failure to take those witness statements immediately allowed the officer and his superiors to work the story. No police report released.........it is so rotten in Denmark that nobody is going to be able to cover this up.....unless the grand jury is manipulated as well.....hmmmm.

Sal

Sal

Sal wrote:

Can someone please explain why these men's immediate reactions are to lie?

No one?



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Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

We'd be a lot better off if we could replace all the cops with street thugs.  The cops are the real evil,  the street thugs are just some harmless children who might have made bad choices and have all learned their lessons.
And anybody who disagrees with me is a racist and a scaredy cat.

2seaoat



The witnesses reported that they heard the shot in the squad and michael and his friend began running from the squad. He traveled about fifty feet before he started getting hit from multiple gunshots, turned and raised his hands almost fifty feet from the approaching police officer who did not stop shooting. What happened in the squad is irrelevant unless Michael had gotten the officers gun and was returning fire......that did not happen. A wounded man was trying not to be shot and was surrendering when the fatal head shot happened. Four completely consistent statements immediately made by witnesses.....yet the police did not take their statements.......do you not find that curious?

Vikingwoman



2seaoat wrote:What were the injuries on the cop? He said Brown started punching him in the face when he told him to get on the sidewalk. Pretty believable from kid who just pushed a store clerk and took some cigars.


There has never been one witness who denied the struggle in the police car.  It happened.  The police officer drew his gun and shot Michael.  Michael ran wounded from the squad.  The officer exits firing away.  Michael turns with hands up and gets shot some more with a fatal headshot in that flurry of bullets.   What happen in the squad would have ended up with Michael being charged because of the struggle.   A good lawyer probably would have got him off before the officer shot him in the hand.  Once he was shot, he was going to face criminal charges.  So as far as I know, no person is saying Michael Brown did not struggle with the officer.  It would be important if it was relevant to the charge of murder.  Now if the officer is claiming self defense, that is an affirmative defense he can make, but the state has their case.......unless somebody's father was a policeman killed by a black man.....then that case may never see the light of day.

If an officer pulls his gun and you grab it, I think you can safely assume the gun would be used on you. That would be an attempt to murder the officer and running away as a fleeing felon would under the law justify shooting someone. I think he probably didn''t have to shoot him that many times but it seems like it would be justified if he attempted to take his gun. The struggle had everything to do w/ the shooting.

2seaoat



We'd be a lot better off if we could replace all the cops with street thugs. The cops are the real evil, the street thugs are just some harmless children who might have made bad choices and have all learned their lessons.
And anybody who disagrees with me is a racist and a scaredy cat.


more nihilist nonsense. Most cops are not scared. Most cops are not racist. However, when one does something wrong a nihilist answer is not the right answer, but a nihilist never is concerned with the right answer when nothing matters.

Joanimaroni

Joanimaroni

2seaoat wrote:The witnesses reported that they heard the shot in the squad and michael and his friend began running from the squad.  He traveled about fifty feet before he started getting hit from multiple gunshots, turned and raised his hands almost fifty feet from the approaching police officer who did not stop shooting.   What happened in the squad is irrelevant unless Michael had gotten the officers gun and was returning fire......that did not happen.  A wounded man was trying not to be shot and was surrendering when the fatal head shot happened.  Four completely consistent statements immediately made by witnesses.....yet the police did not take their statements.......do you not find that curious?

Really, which bullet when into his back?

2seaoat



If an officer pulls his gun and you grab it, I think you can safely assume the gun would be used on you. That would be an attempt to murder the officer and running away as a fleeing felon would under the law justify shooting someone. I think he probably didn''t have to shoot him that many times but it seems like it would be justified if he attempted to take his gun. The struggle had everything to do w/ the shooting.



Not getting on the F'ing sidewalk is an excuse to murder a person who is unarmed and has their hands raised over their head......I think not. This police officer set in motion something that Barney would approve, but Andy and cooler heads would find Michael alive and a community not in turmoil.

If this was a white kid, this officer would have been charged in every state in this union. Witness statements would have been taken immediately, and the police report would have been released immediately. This is simply a cover up from top to bottom. Letting a shooter explain himself to a grand jury.....one in a thousand cases.........rotten to the core.

2seaoat



Nobody has said a bullet went in his back. The witnesses said he was running and then he appeared to be hit and turned and raised his hands. He had multiple wounds and a gun shooting makes a very distinct sound.......it would be obvious that a surrender pose was his best chance to survive......wrong....he was murdered. However, I will applaud our system if he gets his day in court and is found not guilty.......what I object to is all the roadblocks to a trial that is the one constant with black unarmed kids getting killed by squad or police officer gun.......smoke and mirrors and no trial.

Joanimaroni

Joanimaroni

2seaoat wrote:If an officer pulls his gun and you grab it, I think you can safely assume the gun would be used on you. That would be an attempt to murder the officer and running away as a fleeing felon would under the law justify shooting someone. I think he probably didn''t have to shoot him that many times but it seems like it would be justified if he attempted to take his gun. The struggle had everything to do w/ the shooting.



Not getting on the F'ing sidewalk is an excuse to murder a person who is unarmed and has their hands raised over their head......I think not.   This police officer set in motion something that Barney would approve, but Andy and cooler heads would find Michael alive and a community not in turmoil.

If this was a white kid, this officer would have been charged in every state in this union.  Witness statements would have been taken immediately, and the police report would have been released immediately.  This is simply a cover up from top to bottom.  Letting a shooter explain himself to a grand jury.....one in a thousand cases.........rotten to the core.


Nope.....assaulting an officer.

Was the black cop charged with shooting an unarmed white teen two days after the Ferguson shooting?


2seaoat



The other officer believed the perp had a weapon. Here there has been no discussion of a weapon.....None.

Joanimaroni

Joanimaroni

On the surface, the cases appear nearly identical: Michael Brown and Dillon Taylor, two young, unarmed men with sketchy criminal pasts shot to death by police officers two days apart.

But while the world knows of the highly publicized situation involving 18-year-old Mr. Brown, whose Aug. 9 death in Ferguson, Missouri touched off violence, protests and an angry national debate, most people outside Utah have never heard of 20-year-old Mr. Taylor.

Critics say there’s a reason for the discrepancy in media coverage: race. Mr. Brown was black and the officer who shot him was white. Mr. Taylor wasn’t black — he’s been described as white and Hispanic — and the officer who shot him Aug. 11 outside a 7-Eleven in South Salt Lake wasn’t white.


The perceived double standard is fueling resentment and talk of double standards on conservative talk radio and social media, where the website Twitchy has compiled a list of Twitter comments asking why Mr. Brown’s death has been front-page news for weeks while Mr. Taylor’s was a footnote at best.

“Black cop kills unarmed white male #DillonTaylor in Utah,” says a Thursday post on Twitter by radio talk-show host Wayne Dupree, who is black. “#LiberalMedia can’t find [their] way to cover the story.”

A sarcastic Sunday tweet from Valerie said, “CNN Please! We need the name and home address of #DillonTaylor’s killer immediately. Why hasn’t he been arrested??!!!!!”



From Mark Andersen: “Black cop kills unarmed white male #DillonTaylor in Utah. Where is @TheRevAl, @msnbc and @CNN? Is @DOJgov there? Did @BarackObama speak?”



Critics of the disparity in coverage and outrage said that it is actually the Brown case that is the outlier: Statistics indicate that black-on-black crime is far more common than the case of a white-on-black crime. For homicide, for instance, the FBI in 2012 found that of the 2,648 black murder victims, some 2,412 were killed by fellow blacks and only 193 by whites. (Whites also were likely far more likely to be killed by fellow whites than by members of other races, according to the data.)



Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/aug/25/critics-see-racial-double-standard-in-coverage-of-/#ixzz3Gtft9u8I
Follow us: @washtimes on Twitter

2seaoat



false equivalency is your trump card. It is not relevant in the slightest. Michael was murdered and no charges..........if the officer claims that he though Michael had a weapon and fired because of that perceived weapon, then we could be discussing your false equivalency.......but this is what you offer on every black kid who is shot. Stick to the issues of the case.

gatorfan



2seaoat wrote:false equivalency is your trump card.  It is not relevant in the slightest.  Michael was murdered and no charges..........if the officer claims that he though Michael had a weapon and fired because of that perceived weapon, then we could be discussing your false equivalency.......but this is what you offer on every black kid who is shot.   Stick to the issues of the case.

That's always your fall back position when you don't have a valid argument. Weak......

2seaoat



That's always your fall back position when you don't have a valid argument. Weak......

I have made a very strong case for prosecution of the officer on this thread. Joannie using her usual false equivalency gives us a police shooting case where the officer believed the individual shot had a weapon. I correctly posed the question of where has anybody stated that the officer fired on Michael because he thought he had a weapon. That is the essence of a false equivalency.......weak......hardly.

Sal

Sal

Sal wrote:
Sal wrote:

Can someone please explain why these men's immediate reactions are to lie?

No one?

Nothin'??

Joanimaroni

Joanimaroni

2seaoat wrote:That's always your fall back position when you don't have a valid argument. Weak......

I have made a very strong case for prosecution of the officer on this thread.  Joannie using her usual false equivalency gives us a police shooting case where the officer believed the individual shot had a weapon.  I correctly posed the question of where has anybody stated that the officer fired on Michael because he thought he had a weapon.   That is the essence of a false equivalency.......weak......hardly.

You made the case prior to the evidence.

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