Finally the people are speaking......people need help....not judgment

PkrBum wrote:To say that's never existed is patently false... it was predominately the system right here for almost a hundred years.

2seaoat wrote:I just tested the water.......I now want our resident racists to tell us what happened to the white mother who left her children in the hot parking lot at the doctor's office?   Sure is a coincident that every time a black person drops a bubble gum wrapper is charged with littering, and is scolded by the usual suspects, but when that same white person drops the bubble gum wrapper......it is big government who is oppressing someone.   A black kid runs out of a convenience store with candy not paid for and it is his lazy nature and poor parenting, but a white rancher who steals a million dollars from the government is a rock star, and evil big government is overstepping it's authority.......coincidence......when I see one of our usual suspects show any variation from the racist roots of their opinions.....I will concede that this woman should serve eight years in jail......stupid is what stupid does, racist is what racist does.

boards of FL wrote:

PkrBum wrote:To say that's never existed is patently false... it was predominately the system right here for almost a hundred years.

Really?  When?

boards of FL wrote:

PkrBum wrote:To say that's never existed is patently false... it was predominately the system right here for almost a hundred years.

Really? When?

PkrBum wrote:When do you think I was referring to? Do you think trade was accomplished before govt? Was there no structure?

2seaoat wrote:The woman is a terrible mother, I don't care what color she is. I hope her babies are in a safe place now.


A bit judgmental without knowing a thing about her. I left the kids in the car when I went in to pay for gas........if something happened to them would I be a terrible father? Tell me how long being separated from your kids in the car makes you a terrible parent......is it thirty seconds.....two minutes.....five minutes.....ten minutes......because I must have been a terrible father. I just got lucky I guess......somebody could have abducted them when I dropped off a check at the insurance man, and I might have someone judging me.....naw.....I am a white man..............we rarely get judged....we are special.

Dreamsglore wrote:

colaguy wrote:I don’t condemn her for wanting to get a job, to provide for her children.

What I find objectionable is her lack of judgment in leaving her kids in the hot car.

Also, there are many “safety nets” already in place for a woman in her situation, provided for by local, state, and federal agencies. And, if her town is similar to Pensacola, there are numerous non-governmental entities, which are available to her.

Ok this is where the rubber meets the road and ignorance keeps marching on. There is NO and I repeat NO services available to babysit your children unless you can pay for it. You are very ill informed as to what is available to a woman in her situation. You can get subsidized childcare if you have a job but the waiting list is very long and depends on funds available.

Gunz wrote:

2seaoat wrote:The woman is a terrible mother, I don't care what color she is. I hope her babies are in a safe place now.


A bit judgmental without knowing a thing about her.  I left the kids in the car when I went in to pay for gas........if something happened to them would I be a terrible father?    Tell me how long being separated from your kids in the car makes you a terrible parent......is it thirty seconds.....two minutes.....five minutes.....ten minutes......because I must have been a terrible father.  I just got lucky I guess......somebody could have abducted them when I dropped off a check at the insurance man, and I might have someone judging me.....naw.....I am a white man..............we rarely get judged....we are special.

 educate yourself on how long a child can survive in a hot locked car and you possibly can answer that question on your own. Hint...being gone thirty seconds to pay for gas isn't even close to the time it takes for a job interview. Nice try though

Dreamsglore wrote:Are you for real? Do you have any idea what TANF pays? Do you really think a mother who gets welfare can pay for a babysitter? That block grant is for working mothers and the waiting list is miles long. They can't even pay rent and utilities w/ TANF let alone babysitters. You have no clue of what you're talking about. And she lives in Az for crying out loud not New Mexico. How do you even know she gets CS,SS or any of those. Early Childhood services don't babysit! Jeez!

Dreamsglore wrote:I become wholly irate when I read this stuff about poor people. I need to stop posting on this forum because the attitudes and beliefs are beyond any semblance of reality or humanity. From someone who has worked many years w/ poor people I know how harsh their lives are and how difficult it is to get out of it when you have nothing or no one to help you. Many of them are decent and good people no different than you or I except they're poor. I hope every one of you who look down on poor people someday find yourselves in their situation. It happens all the time and then you can experience what it's like and I imagine most of you wouldn't fare as well as some of them do.

Sal wrote:The middle and working classes should be standing in solidarity with the poor.

Instead, the media has been incredibly successful in driving a wedge by convincing the rubes that the pittance thrown at the poor is undeserved and taken out of their pockets.

Meanwhile, the oligarchs rob them blind, and the useful idiots applaud their industriousness and ingenuity.

stormwatch89 wrote:As usual the point is being missed.

There were those who were "cool" in HS and never went on to achieve much.
They pay some taxes.

There were those who went on to college and received a degree or two and went into corporate life.  They pay taxes.

Yet, neither of those groups pay the 90%.

Those are paid by people who were serious about what they did.  They were focused on success........the ones outside the box.  Those who gambled and risked everything.

Why are they penalized so harshly?

colaguy wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:Are you for real? Do you have any idea what TANF pays? Do you really think a mother who gets welfare can pay for a babysitter? That block grant is for working mothers and the waiting list is miles long. They can't even pay rent and utilities w/ TANF let alone babysitters. You have no clue of what you're talking about. And she lives in Az for crying out loud not New Mexico. How do you even know she gets CS,SS or any of those. Early Childhood services don't babysit! Jeez!

While it may not be enough to suit you, Arizona spent $16.4M of TANF money directly on childcare. See http://www.naccrra.org/public-policy/resources/data/tanf-funding-used-for-child-care.

From the original story it appears reasonable to assume that the mother with two babies (2 and six months) qualifies for many of the social programs.  If she doesn’t, then she needs to apply. She is a homeless single mother of two - certainly she qualifies for much of what is out there.

I worked in this kind of business (not saying which one).  Every day I saw similar mothers on assistance.  But to look at them you’d never know it – fake fingernails, fancy hair, makeup, purse, and clothes.  It appeared that they were spending a sizeable amount of what little money was given to them on themselves. I try not to generalize – I know it was not universal, and not limited to any race.  

The point is that there is help for those who need it. If they don’t get the help that’s either an indictment of the social services programs, or the mother herself, who will not get the help that is available.  

2seaoat wrote:

Then my daughter who is a SA, and my wife who was a teacher are criminals.....sorry this is over zealous prosecution of a black woman where our white lady going to a doc appointment who left the kids in the car right here in Pensacola never saw a day of jail and NEVER had her kids taken away.......systemic bias....nothing more or less.  These woman who are deep in poverty and with children get very little help, and often extended family cannot provide the support.......alone and without resources they attempt to survive.......her poor judgment does not deserve an eight year prison sentence and loss of her children.   The cure causes more damage than the poor judgment.....but it makes racist judgmental people happy because it reinforces a sense of superiority and belief that THOSE people are incapable of being good parents......scrape the surface and we are in the 1950s where hate and bigotry abound.

crow wrote:Just the facts please. its not 8 years in prison.

Taylor, 35, was arrested on child-abuse charges after leaving her 6-month-old and 2-year-old alone in her SUV for 45 minutes while in a job interview at a Farmer's Insurance office in Scottsdale. Taylor told police she was jobless, without child care that day( most normal people reschedule the interview, ive had women tell me this and it is fine), and had occasionally been homeless.

Taylor was released from jail March 31 on $9,000 bond and has been indicted on two felony counts. Her children were examined at a hospital the day of her arrest and released as uninjured. They are now with family, and under the supervision of the Division of Child and Family Services.

Taylor has pleaded not guilty. If convicted, she faces a minimum of two years of probation for each count. She has not said where she is staying or clarified what her housing situation was prior to her arrest

she has a car. she has family who have the kids now. Leaving especially a 6 month old alone in the car is serious business. Why didn't she get her family to keep them? They have them now.

Im pretty sick and tired of you damn people using race and class warfare to push your agendas. its getting pretty damn sickening. oh and before you spout off at me again. I grew up dirt poor, so fuck off with the you don't know how it is shit. All of you are just making excuses for bad behavior. its what you do and you wonder why society is in decline.   

crow wrote:Just the facts please. its not 8 years in prison.

Taylor, 35, was arrested on child-abuse charges after leaving her 6-month-old and 2-year-old alone in her SUV for 45 minutes while in a job interview at a Farmer's Insurance office in Scottsdale. Taylor told police she was jobless, without child care that day( most normal people reschedule the interview, ive had women tell me this and it is fine), and had occasionally been homeless.

Taylor was released from jail March 31 on $9,000 bond and has been indicted on two felony counts. Her children were examined at a hospital the day of her arrest and released as uninjured. They are now with family, and under the supervision of the Division of Child and Family Services.

Taylor has pleaded not guilty. If convicted, she faces a minimum of two years of probation for each count. She has not said where she is staying or clarified what her housing situation was prior to her arrest

she has a car. she has family who have the kids now. Leaving especially a 6 month old alone in the car is serious business. Why didn't she get her family to keep them? They have them now.

Im pretty sick and tired of you damn people using race and class warfare to push your agendas. its getting pretty damn sickening. oh and before you spout off at me again. I grew up dirt poor, so fuck off with the you don't know how it is shit. All of you are just making excuses for bad behavior. its what you do and you wonder why society is in decline.   

cool1 wrote:wow im sorry but I cant come up with any excuse that's worth putting your child in danger -job interview or not -turn to family or something , I just don't see it as a reason to leave a baby in the car .  black white blue rich or poor you just don't do it period .  

I was in sort of that situation my dad was dying in the hospital and I knew it and I had no one to watch my baby she was 6 months old --I called every day care in the phone book asking them I only want to see my dad half hour a day that's all please I told them , and 1 place did and they took money for an hour each day for three days ---my dad died on the third day -- I did see him at nights but when you know someone is going to pass you want to be by them every minute ,   I just see no reason to leave a child alone in a car period for no reason at all job or not its a stupid thing to do , That's how I feel about it , leaving my child in a hot car for a job -sorry but no friggin way id do that .  My childs life is more important .