C'mon Teo-what about the people who can pay for health insurance but choose not to?

What do you have to say about them? What about those people who choose to pay for other things while we pay for their healthcare?

That's called freedom. It's something the government shills have made sound like irresponsibility. It used to be that if you couldn't afford a doctor visit you made the concession to visit the hospital. If you couldn't afford to visit the hospital family helped you and you lived or died. Now everyone expects a heart transplant regardless of their ability to pay for one. Sealant worked I assume smart and hard to amass his money and now is giving considerable amounts back to the profit center we call a medical system. People will pay for another year of life all they have. Perhaps it's more a spiritual problem than a medical problem. Anyway my battery is low on my iPhone so I will answer more later.

Dreamsglore wrote:What do you have to say about them? What about those people who choose to pay for other things while we pay for their healthcare?

What do you have to say about people who can pay for life insurance? What about the people who choose to pay for other things we while have to pay for their after life arrangements and other things?

What do you have to say about people who can pay for renters or home owners insurance? What about the people who choose to pay for other things while we have to pay for their crisis and other things?

What do you have to say about people who can for their own food? What about the people who choose to pay for other things while we have to pay for their food because they mismanaged their money and are hungry?

Perhaps those entitlements should be broken down into debit cards that are only good to purchase certain items; life insurance, renters/home owners insurance, food, clothing, furniture, recreation/entertainment, etc... Then the taxpayer won't have to listen to them whine about how they misspent their entitlements on things they didn't need.

After all you've now set the precedent for the government to do just that.

Personally I think this is such a good idea that it should be instituted for those who live on entitlements their whole life. We might give them $20 pocket cash every week to spend as they choose but the rest should be tied up in debit cards that forces them to purchase what they should be purchasing..... Screw it make it $5 a week spending cash and tell them to seek employment if they don't like it.

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DE, you have a good point.

people are just to stupid to know how to manage their moneys on their own. the gov needs to help us.

what we really need is for the gov to go ahead and put us all on the plantation and tell us what job to do. Then they can allot us our daily food, shelter and other necessities. If we are good workers, maybe they will let us have children. The poor producers will have to have abortions or be sterilized. sterilization preferably. Cost saving that way. Plus we really need the strong to procreate. The gov will know which ones that is.

ah what a beautiful scenario that paints. No worries at all. if only, if only...

Dreamsglore wrote:What do you have to say about them? What about those people who choose to pay for other things while we pay for their healthcare?

They will pay broomrider, just not to the health exchanges, but in penalties to the IRS. The TAX that they didn't want you to know about until it made it legal to let the ACA stand. So the money will go in a circle to the health care exchange via the IRS after penalties. Are you so stupid to not know that?

Damaged Eagle wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:What do you have to say about them? What about those people who choose to pay for other things while we pay for their healthcare?

What do you have to say about people who can pay for life insurance? What about the people who choose to pay for other things we while have to pay for their after life arrangements and other things?

What do you have to say about people who can pay for renters or home owners insurance? What about the people who choose to pay for other things while we have to pay for their crisis and other things?

What do you have to say about people who can for their own food? What about the people who choose to pay for other things while we have to pay for their food because they mismanaged their money and are hungry?

Perhaps those entitlements should be broken down into debit cards that are only good to purchase certain items; life insurance, renters/home owners insurance, food, clothing, furniture, recreation/entertainment, etc... Then the taxpayer won't have to listen to them whine about how they misspent their entitlements on things they didn't need.

After all you've now set the precedent for the government to do just that.

Personally I think this is such a good idea that it should be instituted for those who live on entitlements their whole life. We might give them $20 pocket cash every week to spend as they choose but the rest should be tied up in debit cards that forces them to purchase what they should be purchasing..... Screw it make it $5 a week spending cash and tell them to seek employment if they don't like it.

*****CHUCKLE*****

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I agree if people who have other luxuries choose to not have health insurance then they should be forced to pay but the people you're talking about do not have choices on their income.

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Dreamsglore wrote:What do you have to say about them? What about those people who choose to pay for other things while we pay for their healthcare?

They will pay broomrider, just not to the health exchanges, but in penalties to the IRS. The TAX that they didn't want you to know about until it made it legal to let the ACA stand.

They will pay $95 for a $50,000 operation? Hmm?

Dreamsglore wrote:

PACEDOG#1 wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:What do you have to say about them? What about those people who choose to pay for other things while we pay for their healthcare?

They will pay broomrider, just not to the health exchanges, but in penalties to the IRS. The TAX that they didn't want you to know about until it made it legal to let the ACA stand.

They will pay $95 for a $50,000 operation? Hmm?

If they are paying 95 a month they are probably getting subsidies anyhow.

Medical care has evolved into an entitlement. Why is that ? Why is it that something which costs money isn't tied to money ? No it's easier to tie it to emotions and just say someone else will pay, let the government control it and take other peoples money and then dole it out as needed. Yes that has worked so well. I wonder how many wars been fought with Social Security money. Common sense says if it costs money then you either pay for it or do without. Or you take a lesser treatment that you may afford. I guess the healthcare in Christs day was to look for a miracle or go hide in a cave and wait to die. Now we have modern "miracles" but they require money not faith to access them. No life is ever saved just prolonged and sad to say when you run out of gas your car stops. Perhaps we should pay for other peoples gas, food. lodging, children, phone, computer, internet, clothing..etc...oh that's right we do....The founding fathers would say it's your money be charitable if you want. The leaders today say it's our money and we will let you have some of it back as long as you don't make waves and worship us and pay your fees to live here....back talk will be dealt with harshly....they got tanks now and lots of bullets.

Dreamsglore wrote:

Damaged Eagle wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:What do you have to say about them? What about those people who choose to pay for other things while we pay for their healthcare?

What do you have to say about people who can pay for life insurance? What about the people who choose to pay for other things we while have to pay for their after life arrangements and other things?

What do you have to say about people who can pay for renters or home owners insurance? What about the people who choose to pay for other things while we have to pay for their crisis and other things?

What do you have to say about people who can for their own food? What about the people who choose to pay for other things while we have to pay for their food because they mismanaged their money and are hungry?

Perhaps those entitlements should be broken down into debit cards that are only good to purchase certain items; life insurance, renters/home owners insurance, food, clothing, furniture, recreation/entertainment, etc... Then the taxpayer won't have to listen to them whine about how they misspent their entitlements on things they didn't need.

After all you've now set the precedent for the government to do just that.

Personally I think this is such a good idea that it should be instituted for those who live on entitlements their whole life. We might give them $20 pocket cash every week to spend as they choose but the rest should be tied up in debit cards that forces them to purchase what they should be purchasing..... Screw it make it $5 a week spending cash and tell them to seek employment if they don't like it.

*****CHUCKLE*****

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I agree if people who have other luxuries choose to not have health insurance then they should be forced to pay but the people you're talking about do not have choices on their income.

I did provide them a choice. It's now highlighted for in red.

Otherwise their entire entitlement fund will be handled by the government for their own good.

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Chrissy wrote:DE, you have a good point.

people are just to stupid to know how to manage their moneys on their own. the gov needs to help us.

what we really need is for the gov to go ahead and put us all on the plantation and tell us what job to do. Then they can allot us our daily food, shelter and other necessities. If we are good workers, maybe they will let us have children. The poor producers will have to have abortions or be sterilized. sterilization preferably. Cost saving that way. Plus we really need the strong to procreate. The gov will know which ones that is.

ah what a beautiful scenario that paints. No worries at all. if only, if only...

Yes. It does appear we chose the wrong side to fight for in WWII. LOL

We'd be decades ahead in the supposedly enlightened progressive liberal movement and have had healthcare for all for a long time already. LOL

Sig heil fraulein!

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This thread is hilarious. Every civilized nation in the world has a single payer system, and we are finally expanding our system to provide a net to take care of people, and we are Nazis......or communist. This forum is starting to be a collection of wood heads.

2seaoat wrote:This thread is hilarious.   Every civilized nation in the world has a single payer system, and we are finally expanding our system to provide a net to take care of people, and we are Nazis......or communist.   This forum is starting to be a collection of wood heads.

Then have your hero and martyr nationalize the damn health care with an executive order already so you can have your free health care for all through a tax that's paid to the United States government.

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Health care costs must first be controlled. It make take a few years under the current half way system. However, there are no free lunches. Medicare for all will require cost control and new revenue sources. The 1 penny wall street transaction tax is a no brainer, and a 3% national sales tax raises the rest of the necessary funds to bring solvency to medicare and extend the same to all Americans. The relief on employers will create an economic boom. Our auto industry will be truly competitive, and factories would reopen in America once unlink health care with employers. We have cost this nation trillions making our industry uncompetitive, while jobs were shipped overseas and the gap in wealth increased. A transaction tax recoups some of the pillaging of this nation, and a consumption tax works on supporting health care. This is simple, but the wood heads will scream Nazis and communists........utter idiocy.

Who made the healthcare system uncompetitive? The private doctors and hospitals from decades ago?

You may as well take a sober look. There is certainly a recorded history and trends. Take your time... we'll wait.

TEOTWAWKI wrote:Medical care has evolved into an entitlement. Why is that ? Why is it that something which costs money isn't tied to money ? No it's easier to tie it to emotions and just say someone else will pay, let the government control it and take other peoples money and then dole it out as needed. Yes that has worked so well. I wonder how many wars been fought with Social Security money. Common sense says if it costs money then you either pay for it or do without. Or you take a lesser treatment that you may afford. I guess the healthcare in Christs day was to look for a miracle or go hide in a cave and wait to die. Now we have modern "miracles" but they require money not faith to access them. No life is ever saved just prolonged and sad to say when you run out of gas your car stops. Perhaps we should pay for other peoples gas, food. lodging, children, phone, computer, internet, clothing..etc...oh that's right we do....The founding fathers would say it's your money be charitable if you want. The leaders today say it's our money and we will let you have some of it back as long as you don't make waves and worship us and pay your fees to live here....back talk will be dealt with harshly....they got tanks now and lots of bullets.

You make no sense whatsoever,Teo. Here is your epiphany.People now have to pay for healthcare...EVERY GODDAMNBODY... and you are complaining? WTF? You just jumped on me for calling someone irresponsible who doesn't work or have healthcare and risks all of us to pay for their healthcare and you are complaining about entitlements? You are complaining about someone like that having to pay a fee? Get real,man! Does that not fit into your idea of entitlements?

Dreamsglore wrote:

TEOTWAWKI wrote:Medical care has evolved into an entitlement. Why is that ? Why is it that something which costs money isn't tied to money ? No it's easier to tie it to emotions and just say someone else will pay, let the government control it and take other peoples money and then dole it out as needed. Yes that has worked so well. I wonder how many wars been fought with Social Security money. Common sense says if it costs money then you either pay for it or do without. Or you take a lesser treatment that you may afford. I guess the healthcare in Christs day was to look for a miracle or go hide in a cave and wait to die. Now we have modern "miracles" but they require money not faith to access them. No life is ever saved just prolonged and sad to say when you run out of gas your car stops. Perhaps we should pay for other peoples gas, food. lodging, children, phone, computer, internet, clothing..etc...oh that's right we do....The founding fathers would say it's your money be charitable if you want. The leaders today say it's our money and we will let you have some of it back as long as you don't make waves and worship us and pay your fees to live here....back talk will be dealt with harshly....they got tanks now and lots of bullets.

You make no sense whatsoever,Teo. Here is your epiphany.People now have to pay for healthcare...EVERY GODDAMNBODY... and you are complaining? WTF? You just jumped on me for calling someone irresponsible who doesn't work or have healthcare and risks all of us to pay for their healthcare and you are complaining about entitlements? You are complaining about someone like that having to pay a fee? Get real,man! Does that not fit into your idea of entitlements?

You want to hand the government and it's bought and paid for minions even more power and then get down on your knees and beg for more porridge. I say let competition and private investment rebuild our system. Your approach is the worn out wasteful and criminal government system. I have been on the inside of this old system and watched as the big hospitals bought more and more expensive government regulation which crushed their competition and allowed the hospitals to raise their prices to the moon....The government purposely ruined the only force that makes things cheaper and better....competition.

And now there is no competition between the insurance companies?

Dreamsglore wrote:And now there is no competition between the insurance companies?

What part of the insurance companies had a major role in writing Obamacare didn't you catch? The stock of the insurance companies is going through the roof, they have it all in the bag.

Dreamsglore wrote:And now there is no competition between the insurance companies?

Gee... I wonder what brought that about?... or why all banks are uncompetitive.

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Banks are uncompetitive? LOL!

TEOTWAWKI wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:And now there is no competition between the insurance companies?

What part of the insurance companies had a major role in writing Obamacare didn't you catch? The stock of the insurance companies is going through the roof, they have it all in the bag.

I'm sure I said something like this long ago and just in the last couple of weeks.

Yeah like this was for the good of the people and not the health insurance companies themselves.

Nothings changed for those that need healthcare. People who can not afford their deductibles or have no insurance will still go to the hospital ER. probably more now that deductibles and premiums are climbing.

In the end the insurance company CEO's will simply line their yearly bonuses with a tidy little something extra along with the politicians who supported this tax that's not a tax. While the taxpayer will pick up the rest of the healthcare tab.

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Dreamsglore wrote:Banks are uncompetitive? LOL!

You're hilarious!!!!!

What part of FDIC don't you understand?

How many banks were bailed out a few years ago?

Where was your competition then?

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Damaged Eagle wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:Banks are uncompetitive? LOL!

You're hilarious!!!!!

What part of FDIC don't you understand?

How many banks were bailed out a few years ago?

Where was your competition then?

*****ROFLMAO*****

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Answer the question w/ a competent answer. Banks are uncompetitive?

Dreamsglore wrote:

Damaged Eagle wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:Banks are uncompetitive? LOL!

You're hilarious!!!!!

What part of FDIC don't you understand?

How many banks were bailed out a few years ago?

Where was your competition then?

*****ROFLMAO*****

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Answer the question w/ a competent answer. Banks are uncompetitive?

If they were competitive then they could charge whatever interest rate they felt like on a loan or pay out whatever interest rate they wanted on a savings account to attract customers. Why can't they?

If they were truly competitive then there would have been no bailout and the assets of those that would have failed a few years ago would have been put on the auction block for the highest bidder.

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