FOR TEO: This make a really good argument that Jesus was an invention of the Romans

Damaged Eagle wrote:
Or perhaps another way to describe it is we're all deaf people, though there might be those who can only feel the rhythm of the music, while that one special person can actually hear the music.

Bob wrote:

Damaged Eagle wrote:
Or perhaps another way to describe it is we're all deaf people, though there might be those who can only feel the rhythm of the music, while that one special person can actually hear the music.

That could all be true.

But another scenario could also be true.  The really out there scenario.

The one which says human beings may not be the most significant thing in existence.  Maybe a human mind and human sensory capacity is like that of an amoeba in comparison to whatever else exists.  
About the only way we can even attempt to wrap our brains around this concept is to make a comparison between us and lower forms of life.
When a school of minnows encounters a scuba diver just as one example.
The minnows have no capacity whatever to comprehend what a scuba diver is.  And I think we can safely conclude that there is no such thing as a "special minnow" or a "minnow with special powers" who can communicate with the scuba diver.  

It's really no stretch at all to consider that these anomalies people see in the sky are our version of "scuba divers".  
The minnows do sense the presence of their scuba diver.  But that's as far as the minnow can go with it.  Their limited senses and intellect afford them no other capacity
Likewise,  our limited senses and intellect may be affording us no capacity to go beyond sensing the presence of whatever is in the sky.
The question has been often asked "why don't those UFO's land on the white house lawn and communicate with all of us?"
The answer is,  the same reason a scuba diver doesn't attempt to communicate with minnows.  It would be hopelessly pointless.

TEOTWAWKI wrote:I may be of little importance in your theory but all fish seem know when you are looking at them. I have encountered some pretty big barracuda,  as long as I wasn't looking at them moved in within a couple feet of me but when I turned my head to look at them they swam away. It works with most all fish.

Bob wrote:Oh the irony.  I've told this to teo before but he probably doesn't remember it.

Teo and I have faith in what amounts to the same thing.  We just describe it differently.

Teo has faith in the story layed down in a book written 2000 years ago.  Same as Ahab the Arab has faith in the story layed down in a different book written 1500 years ago.

My faith is not directed at stories layed down in ancient books.  My faith is directed at what I refer to as the "unknowable".
But it's the same damn thing.  Teo and Ahab just think they know what it is.  lol

Sal wrote:Quit bogarting the bong, dudes. 

Bob wrote:

Damaged Eagle wrote:
Or perhaps another way to describe it is we're all deaf people, though there might be those who can only feel the rhythm of the music, while that one special person can actually hear the music.

That could all be true.

But another scenario could also be true.  The really out there scenario.

The one which says human beings may not be the most significant thing in existence.  Maybe a human mind and human sensory capacity is like that of an amoeba in comparison to whatever else exists.  
About the only way we can even attempt to wrap our brains around this concept is to make a comparison between us and lower forms of life.
When a school of minnows encounters a scuba diver just as one example.
The minnows have no capacity whatever to comprehend what a scuba diver is.  And I think we can safely conclude that there is no such thing as a "special minnow" or a "minnow with special powers" who can communicate with the scuba diver.  

It's really no stretch at all to consider that these anomalies people see in the sky are our version of "scuba divers".  
The minnows do sense the presence of their scuba diver.  But that's as far as the minnow can go with it.  Their limited senses and intellect afford them no other capacity
Likewise,  our limited senses and intellect may be affording us no capacity to go beyond sensing the presence of whatever is in the sky.
The question has been often asked "why don't those UFO's land on the white house lawn and communicate with all of us?"
The answer is,  the same reason a scuba diver doesn't attempt to communicate with minnows.  It would be hopelessly pointless.

Bob wrote:But then again there may be no such thing as a UFO.
I've been absorbing UFO literature since I was a college kid.  At one point I became totally obsessed with it.  I read most every book on the topic in both the PJC (PSC) and UWF libraries.  
Until a few years ago I was always leaning toward a belief that UFO's do exist.
The number of reported sightings is overwhelming.  My take on it then was that,  if all of it was just imaginary,  that would be harder for me to accept than believing the goddamn things were real.

But over the course of the last few years,  something challenged that conclusion.   We now have half or more of the whole fucking world population carrying a camera in his/her pockets.  And we still don't have a CONVINCING photographic record of an UNIDENTIFIED flying object.  
Something's just not right with that picture.  Or more accurately,  something's just not right with that LACK of a picture.

Damaged Eagle wrote:

Maybe because all those photographic imaging devices are controlled by memory chips that have to go through a downloading process on the internet is why there's no reliable photographic evidence?

 

Bob wrote:

Damaged Eagle wrote:

Maybe because all those photographic imaging devices are controlled by memory chips that have to go through a downloading process on the internet is why there's no reliable photographic evidence?

 

I know you're only kidding.  But the reason that wouldn't fly is the thousands of people who took the images would obviously know that was happening.
And if that was the case, Alex Jones would already be knowing about it (and he doesn't cause I listen every night).  lol

Damaged Eagle wrote:

Perhaps the  conspiracy runs deeper than you think.

Bob wrote:

Damaged Eagle wrote:

Perhaps the  conspiracy runs deeper than you think.

For decades,  there has been a faction which is convinced there is a government conspiracy to cover-up the UFO phenomenon.  The same thing which was popularized by the theme of the tv show X-Files.
I guess anything's possible in this crazy world.  But I lean toward the same position I have on other massive conspiracy theories (9/11 "controlled demolition" being another one).  It just doesn't seem plausible to me that you could keep something like these huge conspiracies under wraps with all the dissemination of information leaks we have today (think Edward Snowden).

Bob wrote:

Damaged Eagle wrote:
Or perhaps another way to describe it is we're all deaf people, though there might be those who can only feel the rhythm of the music, while that one special person can actually hear the music.

That could all be true.

But another scenario could also be true.  The really out there scenario.

The one which says human beings may not be the most significant thing in existence.  Maybe a human mind and human sensory capacity is like that of an amoeba in comparison to whatever else exists.  
About the only way we can even attempt to wrap our brains around this concept is to make a comparison between us and lower forms of life.
When a school of minnows encounters a scuba diver just as one example.
The minnows have no capacity whatever to comprehend what a scuba diver is.  And I think we can safely conclude that there is no such thing as a "special minnow" or a "minnow with special powers" who can communicate with the scuba diver.  

It's really no stretch at all to consider that these anomalies people see in the sky are our version of "scuba divers".  
The minnows do sense the presence of their scuba diver.  But that's as far as the minnow can go with it.  Their limited senses and intellect afford them no other capacity
Likewise,  our limited senses and intellect may be affording us no capacity to go beyond sensing the presence of whatever is in the sky.
The question has been often asked "why don't those UFO's land on the white house lawn and communicate with all of us?"
The answer is,  the same reason a scuba diver doesn't attempt to communicate with minnows.  It would be hopelessly pointless.