Personal ID for Voting

othershoe1030 wrote:

PACEDOG#1 wrote:An education is the key to making a Democracy work.... Including everyone obviously isn't working anymore because all we have is people electing others that guarantee a handout. I'm giving my students an American citizenship test starting Friday thru the weekend just to show them what others , who are beating he door down to live here, have to go through to get to stay legally. Also, to highlight their lack of knowledge on their own country.

An education is the key to making a democracy work? I guess for the right wing fundamentalists that education would exclude knowledge of scientific principals and known science such as the age of the earth etc. ?

As for requiring a high school education goes what do you do about 18 year olds who haven't graduated yet? Guess they have to wait until the next election? That doesn't seem right either.

Chrissy wrote:

othershoe1030 wrote:

PACEDOG#1 wrote:An education is the key to making a Democracy work.... Including everyone obviously isn't working anymore because all we have is people electing others that guarantee a handout. I'm giving my students an American citizenship test starting Friday thru the weekend just to show them what others , who are beating he door down to live here, have to go through to get to stay legally. Also, to highlight their lack of knowledge on their own country.

An education is the key to making a democracy work? I guess for the right wing fundamentalists that education would exclude knowledge of scientific principals and known science such as the age of the earth etc. ?

As for requiring a high school education goes what do you do about 18 year olds who haven't graduated yet? Guess they have to wait until the next election? That doesn't seem right either.

Conservatives are strong advocates of sciences. everyone knows that all the liberal arts classes are full of well, liberals lol

you know they even have easy math called liberal math now LMAO!

othershoe1030 wrote:

Chrissy wrote:

othershoe1030 wrote:

PACEDOG#1 wrote:An education is the key to making a Democracy work.... Including everyone obviously isn't working anymore because all we have is people electing others that guarantee a handout. I'm giving my students an American citizenship test starting Friday thru the weekend just to show them what others , who are beating he door down to live here, have to go through to get to stay legally. Also, to highlight their lack of knowledge on their own country.

An education is the key to making a democracy work? I guess for the right wing fundamentalists that education would exclude knowledge of scientific principals and known science such as the age of the earth etc. ?

As for requiring a high school education goes what do you do about 18 year olds who haven't graduated yet? Guess they have to wait until the next election? That doesn't seem right either.

Conservatives are strong advocates of sciences. everyone knows that all the liberal arts classes are full of well, liberals lol

you know they even have easy math called liberal math now LMAO!

I said fundamentalists in particular, you know, the ones who think dinosaurs and people existed at the same time on the planet? Many are anti-science and seem to glorify ignorance relying on quotes from the Bible that have nothing to do with science.

QueenOfHearts wrote:

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:I personally have no issue in showing a photo ID to a poll worker. It would be a bit much if they also required a certified copy of birth certificate, passport, or other form of identification that people do not normally carry on their persons.

The ongoing discussions simply involve picture identification to be presented at the polls.  I want to find out why some think this is restrictive.

jose balu wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:You know, most of the people on this forum have no idea what a poor persons life is like. I worked for a charity that resold donated goods and is very famous around the country. I won't say which one,however, it is a very profitable business to the tune of 18-20 million a year just for the small area it served. I was middle management but the people who worked in the stores made minimum wage and they were POOR.  They made up the majority of the employees and I learned what it's like to be that poor. They were offered health insurance but most couldn't afford to pay the $30 copay to see the Dr.They came to work sick and exhausted.They drove raggedy cars that broke down all the time or took the bus and walked and often couldn't pay their rent or utilities in the same month.Many years I bought x-mas presents for employees kids who otherwise would have nothing on x-mas day. So laughing about them not be able to afford ID even for $25 is very ignorant of a world you have no clue about. I learned to appreciate and respect these people whose daily lives was a struggle just to provide the basics. They worked very hard for that little bit of money and their struggles were real and heartbreaking. Getting an ID to vote was the least of their worries and money spent for something they couldn't eat. Walk a mile in their shoes and then talk about how easy it is to do something.

Personally, I have been that poor.
And my family stayed clothed and fed, even tho most months I had about 50 buck for food for 4 of us. No food stamps or welfare. No disability. No insurance. You do what you need to do. And we got through it.
(this was the mid 90's)

And I have always had a legal ID.

Dreamsglore wrote:

I'm not sure how you fed 4 people on $50 a month even in the 90's but you were not eating too good, that's for sure.

Dreamsglore wrote:

jose balu wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:You know, most of the people on this forum have no idea what a poor persons life is like. I worked for a charity that resold donated goods and is very famous around the country. I won't say which one,however, it is a very profitable business to the tune of 18-20 million a year just for the small area it served. I was middle management but the people who worked in the stores made minimum wage and they were POOR.  They made up the majority of the employees and I learned what it's like to be that poor. They were offered health insurance but most couldn't afford to pay the $30 copay to see the Dr.They came to work sick and exhausted.They drove raggedy cars that broke down all the time or took the bus and walked and often couldn't pay their rent or utilities in the same month.Many years I bought x-mas presents for employees kids who otherwise would have nothing on x-mas day. So laughing about them not be able to afford ID even for $25 is very ignorant of a world you have no clue about. I learned to appreciate and respect these people whose daily lives was a struggle just to provide the basics. They worked very hard for that little bit of money and their struggles were real and heartbreaking. Getting an ID to vote was the least of their worries and money spent for something they couldn't eat. Walk a mile in their shoes and then talk about how easy it is to do something.

Personally, I have been that poor.
And my family stayed clothed and fed, even tho most months I had about 50 buck for food for 4 of us. No food stamps or welfare. No disability. No insurance. You do what you need to do. And we got through it.
(this was the mid 90's)

And I have always had a legal ID.

I'm not sure how you fed 4 people on $50 a month even in the 90's but you were not eating too good, that's for sure.

Chrissy wrote:

$50 worth of food 20 years ago bought as much as 200 these days. and maybe his family isn't as fat as you.