Personal ID for Voting

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:I personally have no issue in showing a photo ID to a poll worker. It would be a bit much if they also required a certified copy of birth certificate, passport, or other form of identification that people do not normally carry on their persons.

Gunz wrote:If only one individual has the ability and casts multiple votes then the system is flawed.  Showing an ID does not violate the voter rights act or it would have been challenged and thrown out by the states that allow it.  Some solution has to be proposed so that an individual cannot vote more than once.

QueenOfHearts wrote:Why is it so hard for some people to obtain photo ID?  It is easy to get; we need it for everything.

If the answer is "I don't have to show ID, this is my right" I get that.  I am just at a loss to understand why obtaining an ID is supposedly so hard for some people.

Sal wrote:

QueenOfHearts wrote:Why is it so hard for some people to obtain photo ID?  It is easy to get; we need it for everything.

If the answer is "I don't have to show ID, this is my right" I get that.  I am just at a loss to understand why obtaining an ID is supposedly so hard for some people.

There are many reasons it's harder for impoverished, inner-city residents to obtain state sanctioned photo ID - from the fact that there are far less DMV offices in their areas, to the fact they're too busy trying to feed themselves to battle the bureaucracy, to the onerous restrictions some states (like FLA) are placing in the path of obtaining ID, to the fact that many of the inner city impoverished simply lack the paper work to obtain the ID.

But, all of that is actually irrelevant.

If the end result of the ID laws is to disenfranchise minorities through no fault of their own, the laws are unconstitutional.

And, that is precisely what these laws are designed to do.

Joanimaroni wrote:

Sal wrote:

QueenOfHearts wrote:Why is it so hard for some people to obtain photo ID?  It is easy to get; we need it for everything.

If the answer is "I don't have to show ID, this is my right" I get that.  I am just at a loss to understand why obtaining an ID is supposedly so hard for some people.

There are many reasons it's harder for impoverished, inner-city residents to obtain state sanctioned photo ID - from the fact that there are far less DMV offices in their areas, to the fact they're too busy trying to feed themselves to battle the bureaucracy, to the onerous restrictions some states (like FLA) are placing in the path of obtaining ID, to the fact that many of the inner city impoverished simply lack the paper work to obtain the ID.

But, all of that is actually irrelevant.

If the end result of the ID laws is to disenfranchise minorities through no fault of their own, the laws are unconstitutional.

And, that is precisely what these laws are designed to do.

How do these impoverised individuals get around other aspects of life requiring a photo ID?

Sal wrote:Some folks are so stupid they move into FEMA trailers in the sticks and hoard guns because they think black people are going to play the knockout game on them and the government is trying to control their minds with flouride, BUT they should still have the right to vote for the leadership of a nation.

Dreamsglore wrote:The fact of the matter is, it is difficult for low income people to get ID. I think everybody should have one but it is much more difficult to get one when you're poor. Fifty dollars is a lot of money to a poor person not to mention when you have to get certified copies of your BC and other documents.
As far as having to have one to get health insurance that is incorrect. People who get welfare and disability no longer cash checks. It is all deposited in a bank or savings account.

Dreamsglore wrote:The fact of the matter is, it is difficult for low income people to get ID. I think everybody should have one but it is much more difficult to get one when you're poor. Fifty dollars is a lot of money to a poor person not to mention when you have to get certified copies of your BC and other documents.
As far as having to have one to get health insurance that is incorrect. People who get welfare and disability no longer cash checks. It is all deposited in a bank or savings account.

QueenOfHearts wrote:This is an honest attempt at a civil conversation.  Try to refrain from all the snarky comments simply based on who you're talking to.

Why is there such an issue regarding identification being required for voting?  It is easy to get an ID.  Kids can even get ID.  You are required to produce picture ID for almost everything -- making purchases, obtaining services, receiving medical treatment, driving a car, etc. There are a lot of times you are required to prove your identity.

So what is the big deal?  Why do "they" say requiring identification to vote would make it harder for blacks to vote?  Blacks are able to obtain identification as easily as whites.  They need  it for the same reasons whites

Wordslinger wrote:

QueenOfHearts wrote:This is an honest attempt at a civil conversation.  Try to refrain from all the snarky comments simply based on who you're talking to.

Why is there such an issue regarding identification being required for voting?  It is easy to get an ID.  Kids can even get ID.  You are required to produce picture ID for almost everything -- making purchases, obtaining services, receiving medical treatment, driving a car, etc. There are a lot of times you are required to prove your identity.

So what is the big deal?  Why do "they" say requiring identification to vote would make it harder for blacks to vote?  Blacks are able to obtain identification as easily as whites.  They need  it for the same reasons whites

Here's part of the "big deal" -- see the other thread in this forum which bemoans the ridiculous new requirements foisted on women who seek to renew or obtain a driver's license.  Birth certificates, marriage certificates, death certificates, divorce decrees, name change data including proof of one's maiden name, etc.

Poor people often don't have the required documentation to obtain an I.D. and both the costs and time and effort required to get them easily make such people victims of voting inequities.

Finally, there is no voter fraud problem.  Look at the statistics -- such violations are almost unknown across all States.

First and last, the new requirements for voter ID are simply an unethical way for the white man's party of no to counter the fact that they won't get minority or poor people's votes.  As usual, it's a scam designed by people who describe themselves as patriots but in reality, are simply crooks who gerrymander and do their best to control who can vote in America.

Reality!

QueenOfHearts wrote:

You could not open a bank account without ID.  You have to provide ID to get the public assistance or disability in the first place.

I think if I respond with, "I don't have an ID," there's going to be a lot of daily, ordinary services that won't be available to me.