My answer to Dreams

PBulldog2 wrote:On another thread, Dreams rudely accused me of having nebulous "mental problems." She wrote this as if it is a reason to attack my credibility as well as shun my opinions as the mere musings of a madwoman.

The answer, Dreams, is yes. I have struggled with depression for nearly 25 years, with one episode of major depression in 1999 that lasted for over a year. However, this reality does not define who I am today. I am not ashamed of having had depression. I am not ashamed for having what Dreams loosely defines as "mental problems."

The upside is I have become a strong advocate for those who live with mental illness. In that sense, my own illness has made me stronger. As I have written before, I believe that, given time, a person's greatest weakness can become a person's greatest strength.

So there you have it, Dreams. Do with this what you will.

newswatcher wrote:

When someone with the ignorance of 'nightmare' can get to you on a personal level and you feel compelled to explain/defend a very private area of you life...Don't allow that freakshow to be in a position to judge or make you explain anything...

newswatcher wrote:

PBulldog2 wrote:On another thread, Dreams rudely accused me of having nebulous "mental problems." She wrote this as if it is a reason to attack my credibility as well as shun my opinions as the mere musings of a madwoman.

The answer, Dreams, is yes. I have struggled with depression for nearly 25 years, with one episode of major depression in 1999 that lasted for over a year. However, this reality does not define who I am today. I am not ashamed of having had depression. I am not ashamed for having what Dreams loosely defines as "mental problems."

The upside is I have become a strong advocate for those who live with mental illness. In that sense, my own illness has made me stronger. As I have written before, I believe that, given time, a person's greatest weakness can become a person's greatest strength.

So there you have it, Dreams. Do with this what you will.

When someone with the ignorance of 'nightmare' can get to you on a personal level and you feel compelled to explain/defend a very private area of you life...Don't allow that freakshow to be in a position to judge or make you explain anything...

Bob wrote:

newswatcher wrote:

When someone with the ignorance of 'nightmare' can get to you on a personal level and you feel compelled to explain/defend a very private area of you life...Don't allow that freakshow to be in a position to judge or make you explain anything...

I dunno. She called me "goober". And for hillbillies like me, being called that is like being called the "n" word. It cut me to the quick.
I thought liberals were supposed to be more tolerant of others. I thought it was only conservatives who resort to that sort of thing. I guess not.

PBulldog2 wrote:

newswatcher wrote:

PBulldog2 wrote:On another thread, Dreams rudely accused me of having nebulous "mental problems." She wrote this as if it is a reason to attack my credibility as well as shun my opinions as the mere musings of a madwoman.

The answer, Dreams, is yes. I have struggled with depression for nearly 25 years, with one episode of major depression in 1999 that lasted for over a year. However, this reality does not define who I am today. I am not ashamed of having had depression. I am not ashamed for having what Dreams loosely defines as "mental problems."

The upside is I have become a strong advocate for those who live with mental illness. In that sense, my own illness has made me stronger. As I have written before, I believe that, given time, a person's greatest weakness can become a person's greatest strength.

So there you have it, Dreams. Do with this what you will.

When someone with the ignorance of 'nightmare' can get to you on a personal level and you feel compelled to explain/defend a very private area of you life...Don't allow that freakshow to be in a position to judge or make you explain anything...

Your comment made me smile, Newswatcher. In no way did I feel compelled to defend myself from Dream's accusation. In fact, I confirmed it for her.

Actually, this isn't a private issue for me. I'm pretty outspoken about it in real life. My employer is aware, for one thing. Also, as a member of NAMI, I think it helps others when people speak out about their own lives, their own challenges. It helps fight the stigma associated with mental illness.

But thank you just the same.

2seaoat wrote:Dreams is probably one of the most intelligent posters on the forum. However, she has her own issues which she does not confront, and when someone actually starts to have a conversation which challenges a position she has taken........she fails to separate issues and herself from what is being discussed. She begins to see the discussion as an attack on her person, and she consistently attacks a person who can make rational arguments. The result is the usual "braindead", mentally Ill refrences............and the lowest blow she has inflicted on anybody on this forum......she called me a lawyer the other day.......mentally ill versus a lawyer.....I don't know....you judge.

I play poker. My read on dreams is that she has been hurt. I consistently see a distrust of men, and signs that someone in her life has betrayed her. Chrissy would call me every name under the sun, but I simply let those words bounce off and let our discussion of facts control our dialogue. It would have been easy for me to take a pot shot at Chrissy.....but to what end. I would only cause her pain, and in the process I would lose her input on issues.....however Dreams is pathologically unable to let mere words remain mere words, and she takes the same as a personal attack. She attempts to size up another person and find a vulnerability......I have seen this behavior from people, and especially young girls who have been hurt or abused. She should not attack you PB. You have the strength to deal with your issues, yet she has not garnered that strength in my opinion, and you should go easy on her, because in my opinion......you could be guilty of the very thing you espouse to want to protect. I think Dreams has issues which are unresolved and some of her anger on these forums give her a good outlet......but her problems remain unresolved, and you calling her out solves nothing.

I think we should all play in the sandbox. We can all learn from others, but we need to be careful not to go too far in our discussions. I have with a couple of posters pushed them too far.....I have done that with the read that they are strong, and I try to never go over the line. In Dreams case, I will push her a little, and she will attack me personally....the usual, but I try not to dissect her personality.......next thing you know she will call me a shrink......

PBulldog2 wrote:On another thread, Dreams rudely accused me of having nebulous "mental problems." She wrote this as if it is a reason to attack my credibility as well as shun my opinions as the mere musings of a madwoman.

The answer, Dreams, is yes. I have struggled with depression for nearly 25 years, with one episode of major depression in 1999 that lasted for over a year. However, this reality does not define who I am today. I am not ashamed of having had depression. I am not ashamed for having what Dreams loosely defines as "mental problems."

The upside is I have become a strong advocate for those who live with mental illness. In that sense, my own illness has made me stronger. As I have written before, I believe that, given time, a person's greatest weakness can become a person's greatest strength.

So there you have it, Dreams. Do with this what you will.

2seaoat wrote:Dreams is probably one of the most intelligent posters on the forum. However, she has her own issues which she does not confront, and when someone actually starts to have a conversation which challenges a position she has taken........she fails to separate issues and herself from what is being discussed. She begins to see the discussion as an attack on her person, and she consistently attacks a person who can make rational arguments. The result is the usual "braindead", mentally Ill refrences............and the lowest blow she has inflicted on anybody on this forum......she called me a lawyer the other day.......mentally ill versus a lawyer.....I don't know....you judge.

I play poker. My read on dreams is that she has been hurt. I consistently see a distrust of men, and signs that someone in her life has betrayed her. Chrissy would call me every name under the sun, but I simply let those words bounce off and let our discussion of facts control our dialogue. It would have been easy for me to take a pot shot at Chrissy.....but to what end. I would only cause her pain, and in the process I would lose her input on issues.....however Dreams is pathologically unable to let mere words remain mere words, and she takes the same as a personal attack. She attempts to size up another person and find a vulnerability......I have seen this behavior from people, and especially young girls who have been hurt or abused. She should not attack you PB. You have the strength to deal with your issues, yet she has not garnered that strength in my opinion, and you should go easy on her, because in my opinion......you could be guilty of the very thing you espouse to want to protect. I think Dreams has issues which are unresolved and some of her anger on these forums give her a good outlet......but her problems remain unresolved, and you calling her out solves nothing.

I think we should all play in the sandbox. We can all learn from others, but we need to be careful not to go too far in our discussions. I have with a couple of posters pushed them too far.....I have done that with the read that they are strong, and I try to never go over the line. In Dreams case, I will push her a little, and she will attack me personally....the usual, but I try not to dissect her personality.......next thing you know she will call me a shrink......

Damaged Eagle wrote:normalacy is subjective

2seaoat wrote:Dreams is probably one of the most intelligent posters on the forum. However, she has her own issues which she does not confront, and when someone actually starts to have a conversation which challenges a position she has taken........she fails to separate issues and herself from what is being discussed. She begins to see the discussion as an attack on her person, and she consistently attacks a person who can make rational arguments. The result is the usual "braindead", mentally Ill refrences............and the lowest blow she has inflicted on anybody on this forum......she called me a lawyer the other day.......mentally ill versus a lawyer.....I don't know....you judge.

I play poker. My read on dreams is that she has been hurt. I consistently see a distrust of men, and signs that someone in her life has betrayed her. Chrissy would call me every name under the sun, but I simply let those words bounce off and let our discussion of facts control our dialogue. It would have been easy for me to take a pot shot at Chrissy.....but to what end. I would only cause her pain, and in the process I would lose her input on issues.....however Dreams is pathologically unable to let mere words remain mere words, and she takes the same as a personal attack. She attempts to size up another person and find a vulnerability......I have seen this behavior from people, and especially young girls who have been hurt or abused. She should not attack you PB. You have the strength to deal with your issues, yet she has not garnered that strength in my opinion, and you should go easy on her, because in my opinion......you could be guilty of the very thing you espouse to want to protect. I think Dreams has issues which are unresolved and some of her anger on these forums give her a good outlet......but her problems remain unresolved, and you calling her out solves nothing.

I think we should all play in the sandbox. We can all learn from others, but we need to be careful not to go too far in our discussions. I have with a couple of posters pushed them too far.....I have done that with the read that they are strong, and I try to never go over the line. In Dreams case, I will push her a little, and she will attack me personally....the usual, but I try not to dissect her personality.......next thing you know she will call me a shrink......

Damaged Eagle wrote:

2seaoat wrote:Dreams is probably one of the most intelligent posters on the forum. However, she has her own issues which she does not confront, and when someone actually starts to have a conversation which challenges a position she has taken........she fails to separate issues and herself from what is being discussed. She begins to see the discussion as an attack on her person, and she consistently attacks a person who can make rational arguments. The result is the usual "braindead", mentally Ill refrences............and the lowest blow she has inflicted on anybody on this forum......she called me a lawyer the other day.......mentally ill versus a lawyer.....I don't know....you judge.

I play poker. My read on dreams is that she has been hurt. I consistently see a distrust of men, and signs that someone in her life has betrayed her. Chrissy would call me every name under the sun, but I simply let those words bounce off and let our discussion of facts control our dialogue. It would have been easy for me to take a pot shot at Chrissy.....but to what end. I would only cause her pain, and in the process I would lose her input on issues.....however Dreams is pathologically unable to let mere words remain mere words, and she takes the same as a personal attack. She attempts to size up another person and find a vulnerability......I have seen this behavior from people, and especially young girls who have been hurt or abused. She should not attack you PB. You have the strength to deal with your issues, yet she has not garnered that strength in my opinion, and you should go easy on her, because in my opinion......you could be guilty of the very thing you espouse to want to protect. I think Dreams has issues which are unresolved and some of her anger on these forums give her a good outlet......but her problems remain unresolved, and you calling her out solves nothing.

I think we should all play in the sandbox. We can all learn from others, but we need to be careful not to go too far in our discussions. I have with a couple of posters pushed them too far.....I have done that with the read that they are strong, and I try to never go over the line. In Dreams case, I will push her a little, and she will attack me personally....the usual, but I try not to dissect her personality.......next thing you know she will call me a shrink......

Her 'issues' does not give her an open excuse to be abusive. If she wants to fire shots she had best be ready to take some return fire...

*****CHUCKLE*****

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RisL9l8HzmM

Bob wrote:

newswatcher wrote:

When someone with the ignorance of 'nightmare' can get to you on a personal level and you feel compelled to explain/defend a very private area of you life...Don't allow that freakshow to be in a position to judge or make you explain anything...

I dunno. She called me "goober". And for hillbillies like me, being called that is like being called the "n" word. It cut me to the quick.
I thought liberals were supposed to be more tolerant of others. I thought it was only conservatives who resort to that sort of thing. I guess not.

PBulldog2 wrote:On another thread, Dreams rudely accused me of having nebulous "mental problems." She wrote this as if it is a reason to attack my credibility as well as shun my opinions as the mere musings of a madwoman.

The answer, Dreams, is yes. I have struggled with depression for nearly 25 years, with one episode of major depression in 1999 that lasted for over a year. However, this reality does not define who I am today. I am not ashamed of having had depression. I am not ashamed for having what Dreams loosely defines as "mental problems."

The upside is I have become a strong advocate for those who live with mental illness. In that sense, my own illness has made me stronger. As I have written before, I believe that, given time, a person's greatest weakness can become a person's greatest strength.

So there you have it, Dreams. Do with this what you will.

Dreamsglore wrote:
Your depression has nothing to do w/ your consistent defense of Chrissy's behaviors. When you defend the rantings and abuse of a person like that I do have to question your mental health. You are aligning yourself on a side of behavior that is irresponsible and then call yourself an advocate of mental illness. It is a completely skewed thinking on your behalf.

Sal wrote:Well, I can see where calling Ghandi and/or Chrissy "mentally ill" would be a grave insult to mentally ill people everywhere.

They're just flaming hemorrhoids on the asshole of humanity.

As for Dreams, she gives as good as she gets.

Keep up the good fight, Dreams!

Bob wrote:

Damaged Eagle wrote:normalacy is subjective

Or as my friend yella tells me, "in real life the only thing which is normal is the setting on a clothes washer".
But I think he's only saying it to make me feel better. lol

Dreamsglore wrote:
Exactly! And that goes for others including Chrissy and yourself.

Ghost_Rider1 wrote:Let me see if I understand this thread. If someone shows support for someone else, then there are others that believe that the person supporting the this other person has a mental illness? Does that just about sum it up?

newswatcher wrote:

PBulldog2 wrote:

newswatcher wrote:

PBulldog2 wrote:On another thread, Dreams rudely accused me of having nebulous "mental problems." She wrote this as if it is a reason to attack my credibility as well as shun my opinions as the mere musings of a madwoman.

The answer, Dreams, is yes. I have struggled with depression for nearly 25 years, with one episode of major depression in 1999 that lasted for over a year. However, this reality does not define who I am today. I am not ashamed of having had depression. I am not ashamed for having what Dreams loosely defines as "mental problems."

The upside is I have become a strong advocate for those who live with mental illness. In that sense, my own illness has made me stronger. As I have written before, I believe that, given time, a person's greatest weakness can become a person's greatest strength.

So there you have it, Dreams. Do with this what you will.

When someone with the ignorance of 'nightmare' can get to you on a personal level and you feel compelled to explain/defend a very private area of you life...Don't allow that freakshow to be in a position to judge or make you explain anything...

Your comment made me smile, Newswatcher. In no way did I feel compelled to defend myself from Dream's accusation. In fact, I confirmed it for her.

Actually, this isn't a private issue for me. I'm pretty outspoken about it in real life. My employer is aware, for one thing. Also, as a member of NAMI, I think it helps others when people speak out about their own lives, their own challenges. It helps fight the stigma associated with mental illness.

But thank you just the same.

If it helps that's great but on a forum like this...and with a poster like 'nightmare'...that's one of the downsides on forums is that when you comment about something of this nature it can and does have an effect that may not be intended...