The wrongful attack of CNN at the press conference

othershoe1030 wrote:Ahh, the birther rabbit hole!

Yes Markle this is just going to be one fantastic administration. I can tell already by the smooth calm way that we have spent this last week.

What's a little interference in our election process from a hostile government? Why shouldn't the President Elect pick a fight with the heads of the Intelligence Community? What's a few childish early morning tweets that only the whole world sees? What's a few revelations about his cabinet nominees  views? They are "just being themselves" right? What's the big deal about so many people from Goldman Sachs being added to the administration? So What? I could go on but you get the picture. Oh, this is going to be just a lovely (possibly) four years.

PkrBum wrote:Nice diversion.

othershoe1030 wrote:Ahh, the birther rabbit hole!

Yes Markle this is just going to be one fantastic administration. I can tell already by the smooth calm way that we have spent this last week.

What's a little interference in our election process from a hostile government? Why shouldn't the President Elect pick a fight with the heads of the Intelligence Community? What's a few childish early morning tweets that only the whole world sees? What's a few revelations about his cabinet nominees  views? They are "just being themselves" right? What's the big deal about so many people from Goldman Sachs being added to the administration? So What? I could go on but you get the picture. Oh, this is going to be just a lovely (possibly) four years.

2seaoat wrote:The thread was about the wrongful attack by President Trump, his press secretary, and his mouth piece in Conway who all said CNN did something wrong, lied, and created fake news.   They did none of that.....they simply told the truth despite numerous opportunity for self correction President elect Trump's team lied.   What my wife picked up which was very disturbing was at that conference he announced he was a germ a phobe.......she knew nothing about the contents of the buzz feed story, and found that very strange to be a topic at a press conference.   CNN did good journalism, and I am now going to exclusively watch them because Fox and MSNBC are not journalists, but sad character actors pretending to be journalist.  I also like their coverage of non political news......other than air crashes which was one of the reasons I quit watching them, but now find their approach to political coverage as the only semi independent coverage.  The spectrum of any leader in America being held hostage by another nation is a very serious charge.  It is news.   The unsubstantiated speculation as to the nature of that leverage is not the story.  The story is that a candidate suddenly can say nothing bad about a historical adversary, and this memo raises its ugly head.......it is real news.....it is significant.   President elect Trump's team owes CNN an apology.

Markle wrote:

2seaoat wrote:The thread was about the wrongful attack by President Trump, his press secretary, and his mouth piece in Conway who all said CNN did something wrong, lied, and created fake news.   They did none of that.....they simply told the truth despite numerous opportunity for self correction President elect Trump's team lied.   What my wife picked up which was very disturbing was at that conference he announced he was a germ a phobe.......she knew nothing about the contents of the buzz feed story, and found that very strange to be a topic at a press conference.   CNN did good journalism, and I am now going to exclusively watch them because Fox and MSNBC are not journalists, but sad character actors pretending to be journalist.  I also like their coverage of non political news......other than air crashes which was one of the reasons I quit watching them, but now find their approach to political coverage as the only semi independent coverage.  The spectrum of any leader in America being held hostage by another nation is a very serious charge.  It is news.   The unsubstantiated speculation as to the nature of that leverage is not the story.  The story is that a candidate suddenly can say nothing bad about a historical adversary, and this memo raises its ugly head.......it is real news.....it is significant.   President elect Trump's team owes CNN an apology.

CNN was RIGHTFULLY ATTACKED.  They intentionally gave legs to a totally false story.  Other than gross errors being pointed out in the 35 page even by the FAKE NEWS BUZZ FEED, it is ludicrous.

I know Progressives would go nuts about this same story were it published and the subject was Petulant President Barack Hussein Obama.  It is as valid about him as it is for President Trump.

2seaoat wrote:Good point... they didn't give the benefit of doubt nor did they EVER demand transparency.

Pound sand comrades.

Nice deflection.  For someone who was not entirely truthful about their tacit support of President elect Trump, I find it quite enjoyable that you find CNN did something wrong.   They reported that there was a memo.  That the memo had been put together by a person paid by Republicans in the primary fight with President elect Trump, and it alleged that the Russians had leverage over candidate Trump.  They never discussed the allegations of leverage.  They never linked to Buzz feed in any way, which was the outright lie that Conway told repeatedly, and the news of the memo was not fake news as they denied the same, even after the FBI director had reviewed the same with the President, Vice President, and President elect Trump.   I am not asking for transparency.  I am not asking that an unsubstantiated claim as to the actual events which led to the allegations of leverage the Russians had over President elect Trump.  I am talking about facts, and disgraceful conduct at a press conference to lie and condemn a news agency who did good journalism and reported the memo, and our government tracking the same concerns.

Sorry you cannot see right and wrong.  Now if I was going to follow your lead, I would argue for indictment of a none crime.   I do not take pride in being stupid.

RealLindaL wrote:

2seaoat wrote:Good point... they didn't give the benefit of doubt nor did they EVER demand transparency.

Pound sand comrades.

Nice deflection.  For someone who was not entirely truthful about their tacit support of President elect Trump, I find it quite enjoyable that you find CNN did something wrong.   They reported that there was a memo.  That the memo had been put together by a person paid by Republicans in the primary fight with President elect Trump, and it alleged that the Russians had leverage over candidate Trump.  They never discussed the allegations of leverage.  They never linked to Buzz feed in any way, which was the outright lie that Conway told repeatedly, and the news of the memo was not fake news as they denied the same, even after the FBI director had reviewed the same with the President, Vice President, and President elect Trump.   I am not asking for transparency.  I am not asking that an unsubstantiated claim as to the actual events which led to the allegations of leverage the Russians had over President elect Trump.  I am talking about facts, and disgraceful conduct at a press conference to lie and condemn a news agency who did good journalism and reported the memo, and our government tracking the same concerns.

Sorry you cannot see right and wrong.  Now if I was going to follow your lead, I would argue for indictment of a none crime.   I do not take pride in being stupid.

Sea, it's quite apparent  you're entirely wasting your time here.  These people are either NOT READING or NOT UNDERSTANDING, even after MULTIPLE EXPLANATIONS of the honest truth, that CNN had NOTHING TO DO with revealing the 35 page dossier and in fact made a conscious and conscientious decision NOT to air anything except the 100% valid, well-sourced 2-page memo which included NONE of the salacious details BuzzFeed outed.  It's a lost cause, trying to edify those who don't want to know, and "those" would include Donald Trump and his propagandist Conway.

RealLindaL wrote:

Sea, it's quite apparent  you're entirely wasting your time here.  These people are either NOT READING or NOT UNDERSTANDING, even after MULTIPLE EXPLANATIONS of the honest truth, that CNN had NOTHING TO DO with revealing the 35 page dossier and in fact made a conscious and conscientious decision NOT to air anything except the 100% valid, well-sourced 2-page memo which included NONE of the salacious details BuzzFeed outed.  It's a lost cause, trying to edify those who don't want to know, and "those" would include Donald Trump and his propagandist Conway.

2seaoat wrote:I'm sure you know I like you too seagoat. Not that I'm giving you an inch... but I do like almost every one here.

Ps: you'll know I don't like you if I don't respond to you... lol.


Or worse.....I would make T stop posting for weeks, and some forum members simply left than banter with me.........but the truth is that without different perspectives life would be terribly boring.  Linda be can very angry with me.  Joanie and Neko used to get furious with me.   Bob and I loved each other, but at times he really would get worked up at me.   Folks think Hallmark and I hate each other, but if I said I was hurting and needed his help, he would be the first one there.  He understands the purity of advocacy and the fun with the same.  No, I was accused of being a Neocon by some of the same people who later would accuse me of being a communist.   As Hallmark and I would joke in PM, he used to argue with his dad, and his dad would say......lets change sides on the issue and see how we do.   It is the process.  life is a very short some things matter and others do not mean a thing.  knowing the difference is all that is important.

Markle wrote:

RealLindaL wrote:

Sea, it's quite apparent  you're entirely wasting your time here.  These people are either NOT READING or NOT UNDERSTANDING, even after MULTIPLE EXPLANATIONS of the honest truth, that CNN had NOTHING TO DO with revealing the 35 page dossier and in fact made a conscious and conscientious decision NOT to air anything except the 100% valid, well-sourced 2-page memo which included NONE of the salacious details BuzzFeed outed.  It's a lost cause, trying to edify those who don't want to know, and "those" would include Donald Trump and his propagandist Conway.

CNN gave the LIE LEGS.  The basically said "hey, pssst...wanna read some really dirty stuff about President Trump?  Here's where you find it.  Be sure to forward it EVERYWHERE".

Shameful but sadly not surprising how poor are their ratings.

Admit it, if this had been written about Petulant President Obama, you, and all others would be jumping up and down SCREAMING FOUL demanding BuzzFeed be boycotted and that they be publicly caned or worse!  You'd demand the same of CNN.

Please don't even attempt to say otherwise.  You know you would, so would I just as I have with President Trump.

Why do you support KNOWN LIES to be published about ANYONE?

RealLindaL wrote:

Markle wrote:

RealLindaL wrote:

Sea, it's quite apparent  you're entirely wasting your time here.  These people are either NOT READING or NOT UNDERSTANDING, even after MULTIPLE EXPLANATIONS of the honest truth, that CNN had NOTHING TO DO with revealing the 35 page dossier and in fact made a conscious and conscientious decision NOT to air anything except the 100% valid, well-sourced 2-page memo which included NONE of the salacious details BuzzFeed outed.  It's a lost cause, trying to edify those who don't want to know, and "those" would include Donald Trump and his propagandist Conway.

CNN gave the LIE LEGS.  The basically said "hey, pssst...wanna read some really dirty stuff about President Trump?  Here's where you find it.  Be sure to forward it EVERYWHERE".

Shameful but sadly not surprising how poor are their ratings.

Admit it, if this had been written about Petulant President Obama, you, and all others would be jumping up and down SCREAMING FOUL demanding BuzzFeed be boycotted and that they be publicly caned or worse!  You'd demand the same of CNN.

Please don't even attempt to say otherwise.  You know you would, so would I just as I have with President Trump.

Why do you support KNOWN LIES to be published about ANYONE?

Listen with every cell in your brain for a change and just maybe this time you can grasp this:  Neither I nor CNN "supports known lies."   What we DO support is having the American people be as fully informed as possible about the ties -- good or bad, dangerous or not -- between our soon-to-be president and the Russian administration.  

RealLindaL wrote:

Listen with every cell in your brain for a change and just maybe this time you can grasp this:  Neither I nor CNN "supports known lies."   What we DO support is having the American people be as fully informed as possible about the ties -- good or bad, dangerous or not -- between our soon-to-be president and the Russian administration.  

That Russia might be holding (or even just pretending to hold) something over Trump's head is a crucial fact he needs to know, but so do the rest of us need to know it, as we decide which foreign policies of Trump's we will support and which ones we won't, and as we judge in whose best interests Trump is operating.  We do NOT need to know the details of what that "something" is when that something is, as CNN determined and very strongly proclaimed, not verified.  

What WAS verified -- what was absolutely NOT a lie -- was that the intelligence community advised Trump the Russians were acting as though they had blackmailable information on him, something the Putin-loving Trump should think about every time he considers talking about being friendly with that eminently cruel and dangerous leader he likes to call "great."   And that's ALL that CNN reported.  If someone else went beyond that, CNN is simply not to blame, as they are not the keeper of everyone else's journalistic standards.  

If you can't understand that, sir, heaven help you.  I certainly can't.  BuzzFeed is the sleazy component here; CNN took the high road, and you and your ilk are 100% wrong in excoriating them for it.

Oh, and you can take your arrogant presumption about what I would or wouldn't say about ANYTHING and go pound sand; you don't know fuck-all about me.

RealLindaL wrote:

Markle wrote:

RealLindaL wrote:

Sea, it's quite apparent  you're entirely wasting your time here.  These people are either NOT READING or NOT UNDERSTANDING, even after MULTIPLE EXPLANATIONS of the honest truth, that CNN had NOTHING TO DO with revealing the 35 page dossier and in fact made a conscious and conscientious decision NOT to air anything except the 100% valid, well-sourced 2-page memo which included NONE of the salacious details BuzzFeed outed.  It's a lost cause, trying to edify those who don't want to know, and "those" would include Donald Trump and his propagandist Conway.

CNN gave the LIE LEGS.  The basically said "hey, pssst...wanna read some really dirty stuff about President Trump?  Here's where you find it.  Be sure to forward it EVERYWHERE".

Shameful but sadly not surprising how poor are their ratings.

Admit it, if this had been written about Petulant President Obama, you, and all others would be jumping up and down SCREAMING FOUL demanding BuzzFeed be boycotted and that they be publicly caned or worse!  You'd demand the same of CNN.

Please don't even attempt to say otherwise.  You know you would, so would I just as I have with President Trump.

Why do you support KNOWN LIES to be published about ANYONE?

Listen with every cell in your brain for a change and just maybe this time you can grasp this:  Neither I nor CNN "supports known lies."   What we DO support is having the American people be as fully informed as possible about the ties -- good or bad, dangerous or not -- between our soon-to-be president and the Russian administration.  

That Russia might be holding (or even just pretending to hold) something over Trump's head is a crucial fact he needs to know, but so do the rest of us need to know it, as we decide which foreign policies of Trump's we will support and which ones we won't, and as we judge in whose best interests Trump is operating.  We do NOT need to know the details of what that "something" is when that something is, as CNN determined and very strongly proclaimed, not verified.  

What WAS verified -- what was absolutely NOT a lie -- was that the intelligence community advised Trump the Russians were acting as though they had blackmailable information on him, something the Putin-loving Trump should think about every time he considers talking about being friendly with that eminently cruel and dangerous leader he likes to call "great."   And that's ALL that CNN reported.  If someone else went beyond that, CNN is simply not to blame, as they are not the keeper of everyone else's journalistic standards.  

If you can't understand that, sir, heaven help you.  I certainly can't.  BuzzFeed is the sleazy component here; CNN took the high road, and you and your ilk are 100% wrong in excoriating them for it.

Oh, and you can take your arrogant presumption about what I would or wouldn't say about ANYTHING and go pound sand; you don't know fuck-all about me.

Markle wrote:

2seaoat wrote:The thread was about the wrongful attack by President Trump, his press secretary, and his mouth piece in Conway who all said CNN did something wrong, lied, and created fake news.   They did none of that.....they simply told the truth despite numerous opportunity for self correction President elect Trump's team lied.   What my wife picked up which was very disturbing was at that conference he announced he was a germ a phobe.......she knew nothing about the contents of the buzz feed story, and found that very strange to be a topic at a press conference.   CNN did good journalism, and I am now going to exclusively watch them because Fox and MSNBC are not journalists, but sad character actors pretending to be journalist.  I also like their coverage of non political news......other than air crashes which was one of the reasons I quit watching them, but now find their approach to political coverage as the only semi independent coverage.  The spectrum of any leader in America being held hostage by another nation is a very serious charge.  It is news.   The unsubstantiated speculation as to the nature of that leverage is not the story.  The story is that a candidate suddenly can say nothing bad about a historical adversary, and this memo raises its ugly head.......it is real news.....it is significant.   President elect Trump's team owes CNN an apology.

CNN was RIGHTFULLY ATTACKED.  They intentionally gave legs to a totally false story.  Other than gross errors being pointed out in the 35 page even by the FAKE NEWS BUZZ FEED, it is ludicrous.

I know Progressives would go nuts about this same story were it published and the subject was Petulant President Barack Hussein Obama.  It is as valid about him as it is for President Trump.

Markle wrote:
This TOTALLY FALSE narrative had circulated for months.  NO OTHER news agency would publish it because NOTHING could be verified.  Desperate for ratings as they are now in the sub-basement.  CNN ran a story basically saying, hey this flew in through the transom.  We don't know where it came from, if anything is true or not but, if you hate Donald Trump as we do, you'll love this piece of fiction.

Defending that behavior as being JOURNALISM is shamless.

That borders on the fiasco Dan Rather caused in the George Bush election.