Why the fear of the Affordable Care Act?

2seaoat wrote:People are shutting down servers as the demand for health care is so great.  The standard Affordable Care Act policy is better than the type of health care policies which were worthless and sold before the affordable Care Act and the ones which Bob unfortunately had.  People are now freed up to seek employment which meets their skill set, and not forced to stay with an employer because a precondition will not be approved at the next employer.  So instead of indentured servants we have a work force which is free to choose employment, and will still be insurable.

I was the first to criticize the Affordable Care Act when it passed for its flaws, but the direction is correct and we need to work for the public option and single payer system.  Providing an opportunity for Americans to have a safety net in health care is not socialism, it is common sense steps in meeting our founding fathers directive to provide for the general welfare of citizens.  I think cooperative and supportive criticism is needed, not anarchy or special interest sabotage.

cool1 wrote:all of you will see just give it time------The president don't want the crap But wants us to take it --alarm goes off there---we didn't read it --another alarm --people loosing there ins--another alarm---on and on and on .
Insurance went up on people
giving waivers out -----you have to pay but this one don't -----BS   BS  
One thing you can say and be honest when you say it Obama lies ---I don't  trust people that don't tell the truth--believe one lie you believe them all not me you lie to me that's it Im not going to trust another word your saying ---And I still think more pages need to be read, before its all over with everyone will hate this.

I think everyone should have a choice to buy or not --The ones who love it , Take it -the ones who don't --just don't
In my case I am not going to take it because you don't know what your getting lol

geeze this train has derailed

Dreamsglore wrote:

cool1 wrote:all of you will see just give it time------The president don't want the crap But wants us to take it --alarm goes off there---we didn't read it --another alarm --people loosing there ins--another alarm---on and on and on .
Insurance went up on people
giving waivers out -----you have to pay but this one don't -----BS   BS  
One thing you can say and be honest when you say it Obama lies ---I don't  trust people that don't tell the truth--believe one lie you believe them all not me you lie to me that's it Im not going to trust another word your saying ---And I still think more pages need to be read, before its all over with everyone will hate this.

I think everyone should have a choice to buy or not --The ones who love it , Take it -the ones who don't --just don't
In my case I am not going to take it because you don't know what your getting lol

geeze this train has derailed

Well, if everyone should have a choice to buy or not buy then I'm fine w/ that as long as all hospitals and drs. have a choice to not treat anyone who can't pay for it.[/quo
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Tell Obama that --Tell him if he don't take the ins---that his doc--isn't going to see him I would love that.   Tell him he must take his Obama care and drop his ins---and if he don't he will pay a fine and not have a doc--really !let me know how that works out

cool1 wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:

cool1 wrote:all of you will see just give it time------The president don't want the crap But wants us to take it --alarm goes off there---we didn't read it --another alarm --people loosing there ins--another alarm---on and on and on .
Insurance went up on people
giving waivers out -----you have to pay but this one don't -----BS   BS  
One thing you can say and be honest when you say it Obama lies ---I don't  trust people that don't tell the truth--believe one lie you believe them all not me you lie to me that's it Im not going to trust another word your saying ---And I still think more pages need to be read, before its all over with everyone will hate this.

I think everyone should have a choice to buy or not --The ones who love it , Take it -the ones who don't --just don't
In my case I am not going to take it because you don't know what your getting lol

geeze this train has derailed

Well, if everyone should have a choice to buy or not buy then I'm fine w/ that as long as all hospitals and drs. have a choice to not treat anyone who can't pay for it.[/quo
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Tell Obama that --Tell him if he don't take the ins---that his doc--isn't going to see him I would love that.   Tell him he must take his Obama care and drop his ins---and if he don't he will pay a fine and not have a doc--really !let me know how that works out

knothead wrote:that's what im saying if you love it take it ---and the ones who do not want this they should leave them alone and let them keep the ins--they so love

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cool, I hear you and understand your concerns and the same goes for DE and Chrissy who have profound opposition to the implementation of ACA.  Much of the commentary both here in our little forum but across the nation the dialogue has been fueled by endless misinformation and distortions but this hyperbole comes out of the spigot of AM talk radio spewing hate and fanning the flames of fear and uncertainty.  That was the intent of the underground conservative movement and this campaign to undermine the ACA has largely been successful . . . . . the question that remains for me is how much of the hyperbole is true? How long before the glitches associated with the roll out are neutralized? When will all citizens recognize that it is near traitorous and the height of irresponsibility to be without some form of health insurance in this country? The success of the Act depends largely on young people signing up . . . . . I had great insurance personally at age 27 but many do not and I was under the impression I was bulletproof . . . . I was not.  All of us collectively have picking up the tab for the irresponsible decisions for those without insurance through higher premiums . . . . if the young people do not recognize they have a responsibility to have insurance then it reflects poorly on the character of their generation.  If it is sooooo bad, let the damn thing collapse and we will never have another Democratic person in Congress EVER . . . . I suspect the opposite is true  . . . . if maybe just maybe this damn train wreck actually works . . . .well you know the rest of the story . . .    

Dreamsglore wrote:
The problem w/ their opposition is it based on lies and misinformation just like Cool believes. Cool has  no insurance period and Obamacare is for people like her but you see what she believes. This is what the repugs have done for people.Outright lying and preventing people who could have a better quality of life. Very sad.

knothead wrote:that's what im saying if you love it take it ---and the ones who do not want this they should leave them alone and let them keep the ins--they so love

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cool, I hear you and understand your concerns and the same goes for DE and Chrissy who have profound opposition to the implementation of ACA.  Much of the commentary both here in our little forum but across the nation the dialogue has been fueled by endless misinformation and distortions but this hyperbole comes out of the spigot of AM talk radio spewing hate and fanning the flames of fear and uncertainty.  That was the intent of the underground conservative movement and this campaign to undermine the ACA has largely been successful . . . . . the question that remains for me is how much of the hyperbole is true? How long before the glitches associated with the roll out are neutralized? When will all citizens recognize that it is near traitorous and the height of irresponsibility to be without some form of health insurance in this country? The success of the Act depends largely on young people signing up . . . . . I had great insurance personally at age 27 but many do not and I was under the impression I was bulletproof . . . . I was not.  All of us collectively have picking up the tab for the irresponsible decisions for those without insurance through higher premiums . . . . if the young people do not recognize they have a responsibility to have insurance then it reflects poorly on the character of their generation.  If it is sooooo bad, let the damn thing collapse and we will never have another Democratic person in Congress EVER . . . . I suspect the opposite is true  . . . . if maybe just maybe this damn train wreck actually works . . . .well you know the rest of the story . . .    

Damaged Eagle wrote:

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:

2seaoat wrote:No law is perfect, but why this irrational fear?  What forces are driving this dialogue so filled with misinformation and lies?  If you can identify the same, I think we can find out who the traitors are.  The Act is imperfect and all Americans should be working to make the law and our health system work more efficiently and work for quality health care which is affordable for our citizens.  There is nothing socialistic about wanting a fair, efficient delivery of health care for American citizens........so what is this really about?

I dunno, Seaoat. The hysteria has driven at least two or three posters over in the Politics section to go stark raving mad. You know who they are. I am finding it totally amusing. I hope this shutdown drags on for at least another week, so everyone gets really mad at Congress and its current power-brokers. In the end, the person who blinks will be John Boehner. The cracks in his foundation are already appearing, with Republican moderates both in Congress and in state houses calling on him to find a way to end the shutdown.

The Teahadists screwed up by trying to connect the ACA to funding the government, and Boehner screwed up big time by giving in to that sorry bunch. The voters will remember next November, for sure.

The only ones that screwed up are Obama and the Democratic party in an attempt to force a tax that's not a tax on all individuals while allowing their corporate bedfellows a pass and sending Obama-Democrat-corporate shrills like you to talk to us independents and conservatives who wish to protect the individual.

Was the bed big enough for ya all?

*****CHUCKLE*****

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knothead wrote:that's what im saying if you love it take it ---and the ones who do not want this they should leave them alone and let them keep the ins--they so love

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cool, I hear you and understand your concerns and the same goes for DE and Chrissy who have profound opposition to the implementation of ACA.  Much of the commentary both here in our little forum but across the nation the dialogue has been fueled by endless misinformation and distortions but this hyperbole comes out of the spigot of AM talk radio spewing hate and fanning the flames of fear and uncertainty.  That was the intent of the underground conservative movement and this campaign to undermine the ACA has largely been successful . . . . . the question that remains for me is how much of the hyperbole is true? How long before the glitches associated with the roll out are neutralized? When will all citizens recognize that it is near traitorous and the height of irresponsibility to be without some form of health insurance in this country? The success of the Act depends largely on young people signing up . . . . . I had great insurance personally at age 27 but many do not and I was under the impression I was bulletproof . . . . I was not.  All of us collectively have picking up the tab for the irresponsible decisions for those without insurance through higher premiums . . . . if the young people do not recognize they have a responsibility to have insurance then it reflects poorly on the character of their generation.  If it is sooooo bad, let the damn thing collapse and we will never have another Democratic person in Congress EVER . . . . I suspect the opposite is true  . . . . if maybe just maybe this damn train wreck actually works . . . .well you know the rest of the story . . .    

cool1 wrote:

knothead wrote:that's what im saying if you love it take it ---and the ones who do not want this they should leave them alone and let them keep the ins--they so love

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cool, I hear you and understand your concerns and the same goes for DE and Chrissy who have profound opposition to the implementation of ACA.  Much of the commentary both here in our little forum but across the nation the dialogue has been fueled by endless misinformation and distortions but this hyperbole comes out of the spigot of AM talk radio spewing hate and fanning the flames of fear and uncertainty.  That was the intent of the underground conservative movement and this campaign to undermine the ACA has largely been successful . . . . . the question that remains for me is how much of the hyperbole is true? How long before the glitches associated with the roll out are neutralized? When will all citizens recognize that it is near traitorous and the height of irresponsibility to be without some form of health insurance in this country? The success of the Act depends largely on young people signing up . . . . . I had great insurance personally at age 27 but many do not and I was under the impression I was bulletproof . . . . I was not.  All of us collectively have picking up the tab for the irresponsible decisions for those without insurance through higher premiums . . . . if the young people do not recognize they have a responsibility to have insurance then it reflects poorly on the character of their generation.  If it is sooooo bad, let the damn thing collapse and we will never have another Democratic person in Congress EVER . . . . I suspect the opposite is true  . . . . if maybe just maybe this damn train wreck actually works . . . .well you know the rest of the story . . .    

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If it works --- I swear that would be good --right now no one knows anything the cost--what your getting for your money ---cant find out --anything and they nor the people are ready for something half done -If they work together and worked with each other maybe !  But this whole thing is one way so I don't see it working when you start out like that and not telling the truth about it doesn't help either !

Down the road way down the road If I find out diff---I will come on here and say yep-great ins--good price lol-----It would help If the president would have taken the darn thing --But when you see companies letting people go--less hours stuff like that and having pay for it to with less money --I feel it isn't worth doing all these things to people

I was Dem---But after all the BS from both sides --I went independent --I don't trust either side -But right now the republicans are making more since --why--because everyone that wanted this so bad has either got a waiver --and the rest are running from it!

And the big question for me is if its sooo great why aren't we on here all excited -I don't see this !   And why all the waivers ?  If Its so great why doesn't Obama take it .  If it is sooo great --why aren't people like yaaay a president that cares about us --we don't hear that !

I think he should have listened to others also maybe then we would have gotten something decent !

I think they need to delay it -actually scrap it and start over and come up with something --leaving the IRS out ---dang if we can manage everyones DL#    maybe that would have worked --have the ins--competing for us but the way its going now I feel like the ins--companies are just gobbling us up while Obama sits there and lets them put the screw to us --why wont he take the insurance that I would like to know ---will the people get 70% of ours paid -I don't think so .

cool1 wrote:MSNBC  is just as bad --both of them are  I do notice Fox has been putting both sides on and letting them argue it out --They should have done this before ---put both sides in a room and figure it out --we out here should be the one to open the door when they are done ---not good go back in .  

Floridatexan wrote:For the last time, imbecile, the bill was passed, signed into law, and found constitutional by the Supremes.

Floridatexan wrote:That covers all 3 branches of government.

Floridatexan wrote:That's how our democratic republic works.

Floridatexan wrote:I'm sorry you're so delusional and braindead.

Floridatexan wrote:Turn off FOX.

Dreamsglore wrote:

knothead wrote:that's what im saying if you love it take it ---and the ones who do not want this they should leave them alone and let them keep the ins--they so love

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cool, I hear you and understand your concerns and the same goes for DE and Chrissy who have profound opposition to the implementation of ACA.  Much of the commentary both here in our little forum but across the nation the dialogue has been fueled by endless misinformation and distortions but this hyperbole comes out of the spigot of AM talk radio spewing hate and fanning the flames of fear and uncertainty.  That was the intent of the underground conservative movement and this campaign to undermine the ACA has largely been successful . . . . . the question that remains for me is how much of the hyperbole is true? How long before the glitches associated with the roll out are neutralized? When will all citizens recognize that it is near traitorous and the height of irresponsibility to be without some form of health insurance in this country? The success of the Act depends largely on young people signing up . . . . . I had great insurance personally at age 27 but many do not and I was under the impression I was bulletproof . . . . I was not.  All of us collectively have picking up the tab for the irresponsible decisions for those without insurance through higher premiums . . . . if the young people do not recognize they have a responsibility to have insurance then it reflects poorly on the character of their generation.  If it is sooooo bad, let the damn thing collapse and we will never have another Democratic person in Congress EVER . . . . I suspect the opposite is true  . . . . if maybe just maybe this damn train wreck actually works . . . .well you know the rest of the story . . .    

The problem w/ their opposition is it based on lies and misinformation just like Cool believes. Cool has  no insurance period and Obamacare is for people like her but you see what she believes. This is what the repugs have done for people.Outright lying and preventing people who could have a better quality of life. Very sad.

cool1 wrote:MSNBC  is just as bad --both of them are  I do notice Fox has been putting both sides on and letting them argue it out --They should have done this before ---put both sides in a room and figure it out --we out here should be the one to open the door when they are done ---not good go back in .  

2seaoat wrote:Please show some type of link when you are using real numbers to generalize for all people getting insurance through the exchange.   The fact is the people of this country are overwhelming the exchanges.   The pent up demand and opportunity with those folks with preexisting conditions can have you spin it any way you want, but the Citizens of America are figuring out that this is a great program for people with preexisting conditions.    A game changer.

Dreamsglore wrote:

knothead wrote:that's what im saying if you love it take it ---and the ones who do not want this they should leave them alone and let them keep the ins--they so love

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cool, I hear you and understand your concerns and the same goes for DE and Chrissy who have profound opposition to the implementation of ACA.  Much of the commentary both here in our little forum but across the nation the dialogue has been fueled by endless misinformation and distortions but this hyperbole comes out of the spigot of AM talk radio spewing hate and fanning the flames of fear and uncertainty.  That was the intent of the underground conservative movement and this campaign to undermine the ACA has largely been successful . . . . . the question that remains for me is how much of the hyperbole is true? How long before the glitches associated with the roll out are neutralized? When will all citizens recognize that it is near traitorous and the height of irresponsibility to be without some form of health insurance in this country? The success of the Act depends largely on young people signing up . . . . . I had great insurance personally at age 27 but many do not and I was under the impression I was bulletproof . . . . I was not.  All of us collectively have picking up the tab for the irresponsible decisions for those without insurance through higher premiums . . . . if the young people do not recognize they have a responsibility to have insurance then it reflects poorly on the character of their generation.  If it is sooooo bad, let the damn thing collapse and we will never have another Democratic person in Congress EVER . . . . I suspect the opposite is true  . . . . if maybe just maybe this damn train wreck actually works . . . .well you know the rest of the story . . .    

The problem w/ their opposition is it based on lies and misinformation just like Cool believes. Cool has  no insurance period and Obamacare is for people like her but you see what she believes. This is what the repugs have done for people.Outright lying and preventing people who could have a better quality of life. Very sad.

Chrissy wrote:

knothead wrote:that's what im saying if you love it take it ---and the ones who do not want this they should leave them alone and let them keep the ins--they so love

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cool, I hear you and understand your concerns and the same goes for DE and Chrissy who have profound opposition to the implementation of ACA.  Much of the commentary both here in our little forum but across the nation the dialogue has been fueled by endless misinformation and distortions but this hyperbole comes out of the spigot of AM talk radio spewing hate and fanning the flames of fear and uncertainty.  That was the intent of the underground conservative movement and this campaign to undermine the ACA has largely been successful . . . . . the question that remains for me is how much of the hyperbole is true? How long before the glitches associated with the roll out are neutralized? When will all citizens recognize that it is near traitorous and the height of irresponsibility to be without some form of health insurance in this country? The success of the Act depends largely on young people signing up . . . . . I had great insurance personally at age 27 but many do not and I was under the impression I was bulletproof . . . . I was not.  All of us collectively have picking up the tab for the irresponsible decisions for those without insurance through higher premiums . . . . if the young people do not recognize they have a responsibility to have insurance then it reflects poorly on the character of their generation.  If it is sooooo bad, let the damn thing collapse and we will never have another Democratic person in Congress EVER . . . . I suspect the opposite is true  . . . . if maybe just maybe this damn train wreck actually works . . . .well you know the rest of the story . . .    

Im sorry. What part of my profession took a 52% cut do you think is a lie?

What part of what happens when you take cuts in revenue and cost keep going up?

Can you figure that one out yourself or do you like most on here need the democrat party to hand you some BS lie?

Damaged Eagle wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:

knothead wrote:that's what im saying if you love it take it ---and the ones who do not want this they should leave them alone and let them keep the ins--they so love

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cool, I hear you and understand your concerns and the same goes for DE and Chrissy who have profound opposition to the implementation of ACA.  Much of the commentary both here in our little forum but across the nation the dialogue has been fueled by endless misinformation and distortions but this hyperbole comes out of the spigot of AM talk radio spewing hate and fanning the flames of fear and uncertainty.  That was the intent of the underground conservative movement and this campaign to undermine the ACA has largely been successful . . . . . the question that remains for me is how much of the hyperbole is true? How long before the glitches associated with the roll out are neutralized? When will all citizens recognize that it is near traitorous and the height of irresponsibility to be without some form of health insurance in this country? The success of the Act depends largely on young people signing up . . . . . I had great insurance personally at age 27 but many do not and I was under the impression I was bulletproof . . . . I was not.  All of us collectively have picking up the tab for the irresponsible decisions for those without insurance through higher premiums . . . . if the young people do not recognize they have a responsibility to have insurance then it reflects poorly on the character of their generation.  If it is sooooo bad, let the damn thing collapse and we will never have another Democratic person in Congress EVER . . . . I suspect the opposite is true  . . . . if maybe just maybe this damn train wreck actually works . . . .well you know the rest of the story . . .    

The problem w/ their opposition is it based on lies and misinformation just like Cool believes. Cool has  no insurance period and Obamacare is for people like her but you see what she believes. This is what the repugs have done for people.Outright lying and preventing people who could have a better quality of life. Very sad.

Oh! What lies and misinformation have I utilized?

Show me where I'm preventing people from having a better quality of life.

If you're complaining that your health care policy was inadequate then you should buy a new one. If it costs more than you can currently afford on one paycheck you are free to get a second job.

*****SMILE*****

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