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THE MUELLER REPORT IS IN

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gatorfan
zsomething
Sal
2seaoat
bigdog
Telstar
PkrBum
Deus X
RealLindaL
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1THE MUELLER REPORT IS IN Empty THE MUELLER REPORT IS IN 3/22/2019, 5:38 pm

RealLindaL



Probably should've set this up as a poll -- but would be interested in how many think the president will be implicated in a criminal act under this report.

I say no. And - presuming no criminal indications for his family, either - he'll be crowing about all that 'til the cows come home.

AG Barr has indicated in a letter to Congress that he may be providing them with at least the basic conclusions of the report as soon as this weekend.

Stay tuned.

2THE MUELLER REPORT IS IN Empty Re: THE MUELLER REPORT IS IN 3/22/2019, 7:24 pm

Deus X

Deus X

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And every cable news executive, newscaster, member-of-congress, talking-head and "contributor" is gonna be doing their happy dance because they can milk this for weeks, if not months, and we still won't really know anything.

3THE MUELLER REPORT IS IN Empty Re: THE MUELLER REPORT IS IN 3/23/2019, 11:17 am

PkrBum

PkrBum

Silly comrades.

4THE MUELLER REPORT IS IN Empty Re: THE MUELLER REPORT IS IN 3/23/2019, 12:33 pm

Telstar

Telstar

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5THE MUELLER REPORT IS IN Empty Re: THE MUELLER REPORT IS IN 3/23/2019, 2:20 pm

RealLindaL



PkrBum wrote:Silly comrades.

Well, well, look who's back. Had been waiting for something to gloat about, perhaps?

6THE MUELLER REPORT IS IN Empty Re: THE MUELLER REPORT IS IN 3/23/2019, 4:54 pm

PkrBum

PkrBum

I'd rather see the secret warrants and supporting documents of the investigation investigated.

Feeeeelings aren't facts.

7THE MUELLER REPORT IS IN Empty Re: THE MUELLER REPORT IS IN 3/23/2019, 9:22 pm

Telstar

Telstar

PkrBum wrote:I'd rather see the secret warrants and supporting documents of the investigation investigated.

Feeeeelings aren't facts.
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8THE MUELLER REPORT IS IN Empty Re: THE MUELLER REPORT IS IN 3/23/2019, 10:06 pm

bigdog



We know nothing yet. Trump has been strangely silent. He hasn't tweeted in over 24 hours. We know that.
We know that there will be no further indictments by Mueller. That says nothing about indictments from the State of New York.
In the report, Mueller has to explain why he did and did not indict certain individuals. The report may very well say he did not indict Trump because he is POTUS, and he did not indict his children because he believed they would be automatically pardoned by their father.
So anybody gloating today is getting way ahead of himself.

9THE MUELLER REPORT IS IN Empty Re: THE MUELLER REPORT IS IN 3/24/2019, 1:36 am

RealLindaL



bigdog wrote:In the report, Mueller has to explain why he did and did not indict certain individuals. The report may very well say he did not indict Trump because he is POTUS, and he did not indict his children because he believed they would be automatically pardoned by their father.
So anybody gloating today is getting way ahead of himself.

Not indicting someone in the face of verified evidence of a criminal act because of the likelihood of a pardon would be a clear miscarriage of justice, IMHO. Let both the criminal and the pardoner be seen for what they are. And, after all, for certain individuals in high places, simply being indicted would carry heavy consequences, if only political.

That said, I agree with your final statement.

10THE MUELLER REPORT IS IN Empty Re: THE MUELLER REPORT IS IN 3/24/2019, 7:33 am

2seaoat



Well, well, look who's back. Had been waiting for something to gloat about, perhaps?

more indictments to come.

11THE MUELLER REPORT IS IN Empty Re: THE MUELLER REPORT IS IN 3/24/2019, 1:21 pm

RealLindaL



2seaoat wrote:more indictments to come.

Yes! Just not from Mueller's office, apparently. I think we're in for a rocky ride.

12THE MUELLER REPORT IS IN Empty Re: THE MUELLER REPORT IS IN 3/24/2019, 2:15 pm

PkrBum

PkrBum

RealLindaL wrote:
2seaoat wrote:more indictments to come.

Yes!  Just not from Mueller's office, apparently.  I think we're in for a rocky ride.

There are no further indictments from Mueller. None... zip... zero. There should be some from an investigation into the fraud to obtain secret warrants, russian counterintelligence dossier, and weaponizing govt agencies.

State charges are unlikely to touch trump while in office.

Again.... feeeeelings aren't facts. Silly comrades.

Oh... and NO RUSSIAN COLLUSION..!!

13THE MUELLER REPORT IS IN Empty Re: THE MUELLER REPORT IS IN 3/24/2019, 2:24 pm

Telstar

Telstar

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14THE MUELLER REPORT IS IN Empty Re: THE MUELLER REPORT IS IN 3/24/2019, 2:27 pm

Telstar

Telstar

RealLindaL wrote:
2seaoat wrote:more indictments to come.

Yes!  Just not from Mueller's office, apparently.  I think we're in for a rocky ride.




May all the guilty traitors hang together.

15THE MUELLER REPORT IS IN Empty Re: THE MUELLER REPORT IS IN 3/24/2019, 2:36 pm

RealLindaL



PkrBum wrote:There should be some from an investigation into the fraud to obtain secret warrants, russian counterintelligence dossier, and weaponizing govt agencies.  

(THIS SAD, MISGUIDED CONSPIRACY THEORIST CRAPOLA DESERVES NO RESPONSE WHATSOEVER.)

State charges are unlikely to touch trump while in office.

WE'LL JUST HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE ABOUT THAT, NOW WON'T WE? BESIDES, BOTH STATE AND FEDERAL FINDINGS MAY YET RESULT IN IMPEACHMENT, EVEN IF NOT INDICTMENT.  MARK MY WORDS.

Again.... feeeeelings aren't facts. Silly comrades.  

NO ONE HERE EVER SAID FEELINGS ARE FACTS.  ON THE OTHER HAND, CERTAIN REPUBLICANS HAVE INFAMOUSLY SAID ALTERNATIVE FACTS ARE FACTS, SILLY BOY.

Oh... and NO RUSSIAN COLLUSION..!!

AS TO TRUMP AND FAMILY, THIS STILL REMAINS TO BE SEEN. ANY LACK OF INDICTMENT AT PRESENT IS NO GUARANTEE WHATSOEVER IN FUTURE.  AS TO PKR, HE'S THE ONLY ONE HERE COLLUDING WITH THE RUSSIANS -- INTENTIONALLY OR OTHERWISE.

16THE MUELLER REPORT IS IN Empty Re: THE MUELLER REPORT IS IN 3/24/2019, 3:58 pm

PkrBum

PkrBum

https://www.apnews.com/dfdaea5d24f94175919d98cbb008092c

The summary also says Mueller did not find that the Trump campaign or its associates “conspired or coordinated” with Russia in its efforts to influence the 2016 election.

17THE MUELLER REPORT IS IN Empty Re: THE MUELLER REPORT IS IN 3/24/2019, 4:37 pm

bigdog



It's a summary from Attorney General Barr.

It isn't the report.  Is it?

It is exactly what we should have expected. I'm waiting until the entire report is out there.

18THE MUELLER REPORT IS IN Empty Re: THE MUELLER REPORT IS IN 3/24/2019, 4:55 pm

RealLindaL



PkrBum wrote:https://www.apnews.com/dfdaea5d24f94175919d98cbb008092c

The summary also says Mueller did not find that the Trump campaign or its associates “conspired or coordinated” with Russia in its efforts to influence the 2016 election.

So now all of a sudden Mueller and his gang of angry men are not so bad? It's no longer a HOAX or a WITCH HUNT, is it, Mr. Trump??

19THE MUELLER REPORT IS IN Empty Re: THE MUELLER REPORT IS IN 3/24/2019, 4:58 pm

RealLindaL



Here's the whitewash summary in all its glory:

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/24/politics/read-mueller-key-findings-doj/index.html

Note it was BARR AND ROSENSTEIN who made the call not to prosecute on obstruction of justice charges.

20THE MUELLER REPORT IS IN Empty Re: THE MUELLER REPORT IS IN 3/24/2019, 5:02 pm

PkrBum

PkrBum

The fraud used to obtain secret fisa warrants needs to be investigated. Then the Obama admin for surveilling the opposition campaign and weaponizing govt agencies. Either the law was broken or trump can do the same thing... right?

21THE MUELLER REPORT IS IN Empty Re: THE MUELLER REPORT IS IN 3/24/2019, 9:44 pm

Telstar

Telstar

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22THE MUELLER REPORT IS IN Empty Re: THE MUELLER REPORT IS IN 3/25/2019, 8:47 am

Sal

Sal

It is inexplicable that Mueller declined to make a charging recommendation on obstruction, and instead outsourced the decision to a Trump appointee.

The very point of having a special counsel is to insulate the investigator's decisions from the executive chain of command.

It makes no sense.

It may be many years before we fully understand what's happening to our politics before our very eyes in real time.

It's a fascinating time to be alive.

23THE MUELLER REPORT IS IN Empty Re: THE MUELLER REPORT IS IN 3/25/2019, 8:48 am

zsomething



PkrBum wrote:Silly comrades.

Darn, and here I was hoping you'd o.d.'ed on your drugs or had a moment of clarity about who and what you are, done the world a favor, and put a gun in your mouth and scattered the handful of grits you use for a brain. I knew that had to be too good to be true. The good die young, while people like you just linger like a bad stench that resurfaces whenever things get damp. Ah well, there's still time. Go drink on it.

Anyway, thanks for taking Trump's dick out of your mouth long enough to say a few words to us, so we'd know what an absolutely worthless piece of shit thinks. Now, go back to pretending you're a "libertarian" who supports land-grabbing "emergency declarations" and North Korea sanctions-lifting. Smile

24THE MUELLER REPORT IS IN Empty Re: THE MUELLER REPORT IS IN 3/25/2019, 9:01 am

zsomething



Sal wrote:It is inexplicable that Mueller declined to make a charging recommendation on obstruction, and instead outsourced the decision to a Trump appointee.

The very point of having a special counsel is to insulate the investigator's decisions from the executive chain of command.

It makes no sense.

It may be many years before we fully understand what's happening to our politics before our very eyes in real time.

It's a fascinating time to be alive.

It's all pretty predictable, really. There's almost no way anyone's going to indict a sitting president on something so contentious unless they have absolutely incontrovertible proof... and that was nearly impossible to get. There were plenty of things leading in the direction of collusion -- not least of which Jr.'s doings -- but anything short of video footage of Trump spelling it out and handing the Russians a payoff was going to be deemed not-enough-evidence. Mueller just did his job and was careful not to declare anything that couldn't be proven beyond any benefit of doubt. And it was never really likely to be otherwise. It hardly exonerates Trump... it just says there wasn't sufficient evidence to make an airtight case. O. J. got off, too, but does anyone really think he wasn't guilty?

Collusion's never been the most interesting thing, anyway. That's gonna be money-laundering... and that investigation's still going.

Trump is clearly a Russian asset, whether he colluded during the election or not. The things he's done for Putin while in office stand for themselves. If Trump's not working for the Russians, I don't really see anything he could have done differently for them if he were. Every move he's made -- sanction-lifting, military withdrawls, trade fuck-ups, ally alienation -- has been in favor of Russia and against America. He's opened every door for them, and you don't need any report to show that much -- it can be seen for itself.

Hopefully the full report will come out and we'll be able to see the real findings. Even though they couldn't cinch a case that had to be cinched beyond all doubt if it were going to stand, I bet there'll be some interesting things in there. If Barr was willing to admit it "doesn't exonerate" the President, then there's bound to be plenty of ugly in it.

25THE MUELLER REPORT IS IN Empty Re: THE MUELLER REPORT IS IN 3/25/2019, 10:06 am

PkrBum

PkrBum

Obama had to have approved the surveillance of the trump campaign. We know they monitored it in real time because of the unmasking. Unless this is investigated and charges brought there is no justice.

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