What is the Optimal Healthcare System?

Chrissy8 wrote:

Azadeh wrote:You are saying go to hospital for treatment. Just look at the phone book and call dr. for appointment and make sure for example they are at Baptist Towers?

I got some pain probs right now - would it be better to go thru Baptist Towers then?

You dont have to go through Baptist. I'm not saying that.

I'm talking about places that have free standing labs, be it MRI's , lab work, Gastro etc. They are out there because they want to make money, big money because all they do is move people in and out like cows getting shots.

When hospitals offer the same types of services with one BIG exception, hospitals also provide continued care for the very ill. They also provide all the great healthcare events around the area.

You should choose the place of your liking. I am just reminding people that these free standing greedy money makers hurt your local hospitals. ALL of them.

Azadeh wrote:

Chrissy8 wrote:

Azadeh wrote:You are saying go to hospital for treatment. Just look at the phone book and call dr. for appointment and make sure for example they are at Baptist Towers?

I got some pain probs right now - would it be better to go thru Baptist Towers then?

You dont have to go through Baptist. I'm not saying that.

I'm talking about places that have free standing labs, be it MRI's , lab work, Gastro etc. They are out there because they want to make money, big money because all they do is move people in and out like cows getting shots.

When hospitals offer the same types of services with one BIG exception, hospitals also provide continued care for the very ill. They also provide all the great healthcare events around the area.

You should choose the place of your liking. I am just reminding people that these free standing greedy money makers hurt your local hospitals. ALL of them.

Baptist is my choice for a few reasons. I do like them and was satisfied with the service when I was hospitalized awhile ago. Except the helicopter landing on the building where I was lol.

Chrissy8 wrote:

Glad to hear that. I just didnt want to be a commercial LOL

at the same time trying to get across the imprtance of hospital systems work and how things are changing.

I hope you feel better, you said you had pain. I'd kiss it, but You'd probaly slap me

Azadeh wrote:

Chrissy8 wrote:

Glad to hear that. I just didnt want to be a commercial LOL

at the same time trying to get across the imprtance of hospital systems work and how things are changing.

I hope you feel better, you said you had pain. I'd kiss it, but You'd probaly slap me

Would it feel like a shot of Toradol in my knee?

PerennialBulldog1 wrote:Ya'll already know my preference in health care provision systems. I support a national health care plan, i.e. single payer, Medicare for all. Anything less than that is unacceptable to me, period.

I base my thoughts on not only personal experience but also on my experiences working with others during the thirty-plus years I've been in the health care profession. In fact, I was a supporter of single payer for years before I personally experienced trying to survive without decent health care. That's a weird type of karma, isn't it?

Granny4Peace wrote:Something like Mayo Clinic, hands down. I was covered under Mayo (thank God) when I was diagnosed with stage 3C ovarian cancer in 1999. I have no doubt that with that advanced stage, I wouldn't be here if I hadn't been in the Mayo system. It sometimes takes years to diagnose OVCA, but my family doctor (a resident) diagnosed it on my first visit, and confirmed it with her supervisor and a sonogram. Positive diagnosis was made after surgery, but the results were back before I woke up.

Whenever I saw any of my doctors, they could look up my entire record, give me results of any of my tests. My rheumatologist could give me the results of my CA125, which is the cancer marker test ordered by my oncologist, if I saw her before I got the call about the labs. The laboratory was onsite, and I didn't have to drive all over town to see different doctors, who could easily communicate by email, but didn't. I got Mayo through my employer, and stayed there for 10 years just so I could go to Mayo. I once had an EKG which was transmitted to Mayo in Rochester, MN, and had the results before I was unhooked. They are just set up to take care of people.

If they had a system where all medical information could be in a central database accessible by doctors, it would save a lot of money, time and red tape in practice of medicine. In my opinion, Mayo Clinic has the best doctors in the country.

Azadeh wrote:I think people should just learn to live with their pain and stop whining.

calicocat wrote:

TEOTWAWKI wrote:My question would be why anyone s a right to have something that costs so much for free or at someone esle's expense... Why would that be a right? I mean shouldn't I have a new mercedes?

Teo, I look on healthcare as a human right issue. I know we've discussed this before on the PNJ, and you disagree with me.
I think government run healthcare such as what is practiced in Canada or in the UK is the best option for the US. I doubt we will ever have it, but since every other major industrialized nation in the world DOES have it, I honestly cannot understand why not. I think this country has too much of an attitude that you must work your life away for everything you get and nothing should be given to you. People aren't allowed to starve anymore because we now have food stamps. Why is food a human right but medical care not a human right?

No, I don't think it's a slippery slope to communism. Socialism and communism are a long way apart. I just think it's the right thing for human beings to do for their fellowmen.

Slicef18 wrote:

Azadeh wrote:I think people should just learn to live with their pain and stop whining.

You obviously have never seen the debilitating pain caused by some diseases. It is horrible and non-relenting. The best you can hope for is a day with less pain. Dr. Kevorkian was in tune to his patients and light-years ahead of politicians and clergy.

PerennialBulldog1 wrote:Ya'll already know my preference in health care provision systems. I support a national health care plan, i.e. single payer, Medicare for all. Anything less than that is unacceptable to me, period.

I base my thoughts on not only personal experience but also on my experiences working with others during the thirty-plus years I've been in the health care profession. In fact, I was a supporter of single payer for years before I personally experienced trying to survive without decent health care. That's a weird type of karma, isn't it?

othershoe1030 wrote: I agree about single payer universal health care.
I disagree with the assumption made by those on the right that this means everyone gets health care for free. If everyone paid into the system then everyone would be paying and no one would be getting treatment for free.

I think it is inhumane that people go without preventative care and regular checkups, etc. Last I looked they don't offer colonoscopy services in the ER.

All the other developed countries have figured out some way to cover all their citizens, surely we can come up with some version that fits our national needs?
So now you righties can hit your litany about how you don't want to wait 2 years for an x-ray or some garbage like that. Go ahead we know what's coming.

Markle wrote:
Why do Progressives refuse to answer why they DEMAND inferior health care?

PBulldog2 wrote:

Markle wrote:
Why do Progressives refuse to answer why they DEMAND inferior health care?

Markle, we have inferior care NOW. I don't see how it can get much worse. It is nothing like it was thirty years ago.

Take note of the post I just wrote on another thread about health care. The person I referenced did not receive even "good" care, and he is a fully-insured person.

I don't even want to think about the quality of care given to people who are indigent or under-insured.

TEOTWAWKI wrote:My question would be why anyone s a right to have something that costs so much for free or at someone esle's expense... Why would that be a right? I mean shouldn't I have a new mercedes?

PBulldog2 wrote:

Markle wrote:
Why do Progressives refuse to answer why they DEMAND inferior health care?

Markle, we have inferior care NOW. I don't see how it can get much worse. It is nothing like it was thirty years ago.

Take note of the post I just wrote on another thread about health care. The person I referenced did not receive even "good" care, and he is a fully-insured person.

I don't even want to think about the quality of care given to people who are indigent or under-insured.

Granny4Peace wrote:

PBulldog2 wrote:

Markle wrote:
Why do Progressives refuse to answer why they DEMAND inferior health care?

Markle, we have inferior care NOW. I don't see how it can get much worse. It is nothing like it was thirty years ago.

Take note of the post I just wrote on another thread about health care. The person I referenced did not receive even "good" care, and he is a fully-insured person.

I don't even want to think about the quality of care given to people who are indigent or under-insured.

P B: Neither does Markle, or, any of the others who are wigged out by this. I would like to hear about just one Repub who is uninsured and a car wreck or catastrophic illness away from medical bankruptcy, who thinks that the Affordable Care Act is a bad idea. I get the distinct impression that it's an "I've got mine, screw you!" situation.

Slicef18 wrote:

Azadeh wrote:I think people should just learn to live with their pain and stop whining.

You obviously have never seen the debilitating pain caused by some diseases. It is horrible and non-relenting. The best you can hope for is a day with less pain. Dr. Kevorkian was in tune to his patients and light-years ahead of politicians and clergy.

chrissy8 wrote:

Granny4Peace wrote:

PBulldog2 wrote:

Markle wrote:
Why do Progressives refuse to answer why they DEMAND inferior health care?

Markle, we have inferior care NOW. I don't see how it can get much worse. It is nothing like it was thirty years ago.

Take note of the post I just wrote on another thread about health care. The person I referenced did not receive even "good" care, and he is a fully-insured person.

I don't even want to think about the quality of care given to people who are indigent or under-insured.

P B: Neither does Markle, or, any of the others who are wigged out by this. I would like to hear about just one Repub who is uninsured and a car wreck or catastrophic illness away from medical bankruptcy, who thinks that the Affordable Care Act is a bad idea. I get the distinct impression that it's an "I've got mine, screw you!" situation.

Your talking to one. but my private life isnt for sale.

This isnt about that. your not a healthcare professional and most likely you wouldnt understand the red tape and the mechanics of how this system works.

It sounds good on the outside, but its a devil on the inside.

its like a pretty hooker with HIV, you think youre gonna get some, and you really do get some in the end LOL

Granny4Peace wrote:

chrissy8 wrote:

Granny4Peace wrote:

PBulldog2 wrote:

Markle wrote:
Why do Progressives refuse to answer why they DEMAND inferior health care?

Markle, we have inferior care NOW. I don't see how it can get much worse. It is nothing like it was thirty years ago.

Take note of the post I just wrote on another thread about health care. The person I referenced did not receive even "good" care, and he is a fully-insured person.

I don't even want to think about the quality of care given to people who are indigent or under-insured.

P B: Neither does Markle, or, any of the others who are wigged out by this. I would like to hear about just one Repub who is uninsured and a car wreck or catastrophic illness away from medical bankruptcy, who thinks that the Affordable Care Act is a bad idea. I get the distinct impression that it's an "I've got mine, screw you!" situation.

Your talking to one. but my private life isnt for sale.

This isnt about that. your not a healthcare professional and most likely you wouldnt understand the red tape and the mechanics of how this system works.

It sounds good on the outside, but its a devil on the inside.

its like a pretty hooker with HIV, you think youre gonna get some, and you really do get some in the end LOL

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Actually, though I am now retired I am a certified pharmacy technician who worked for a little company called CVSCaremark for over 10 years. I'm sorry that you've become intoxicated on the Kool Aid, especially if you don't have any insurance. I've had insurance and I've been without insurance, and I can tell you without hesitation that having it is better. I want my grandkids to grow up with access to decent healthcare.

Slicef18 wrote:

Azadeh wrote:I think people should just learn to live with their pain and stop whining.

You obviously have never seen the debilitating pain caused by some diseases. It is horrible and non-relenting. The best you can hope for is a day with less pain. Dr. Kevorkian was in tune to his patients and light-years ahead of politicians and clergy.