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Should we have a weekly "Ask a Libertarian!" thread?

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TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

If you ask me we need to be turning out a truck load of Physicians assistants to take the load off Real MDs. Most of the stuff that comes in could probably be handled at a much lower level of training. The problem is there needs to be reform in the malpractice laws relative to using lesser trained people. Also if you are overweight smoke and drink to excess you should have to pay more for services, a lot more.

2seaoat



So you are saying medicare patients are unhappy with the program?

Not one person other than Chrissy has answered this simple question, and the purpose of Boards thread......he knew the outcome. He had seen it repeatedly.

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TEOTWAWKI wrote:If you ask me we need to be turning out a truck load of Physicians assistants to take the load off Real MDs. Most of the stuff that comes in could probably be handled at a much lower level of training. The problem is there needs to be reform in the malpractice laws relative to using lesser trained people. Also if you are overweight smoke and drink to excess you should have to pay more for services, a lot more.

That's good... I'd even be dismantling parts of the medical bureaucracy and putting clinics that specialize in medicare and medicaid. If we're going to hit real costs then they may as well fully socialize those programs. A little competition in ins and private care less the drag of the govt programs would have an enormous effect. A large part of the problem has been a collusion between ins corps and the federal regulatory machine that diminished competition... such as the state limits. It's funny that the feds don't respect state rights unless they can be used against the people.

2seaoat



If you believe eugenics is only a modern concept and it just started in the 1870s you are foolish. You pull half facts from the land of Honah Lee and then think you make startling links.....you do not, and I did not run from your question, I simply laughed. Why do you think rape was such an important component of dominant nations in history in defeating an opponent?

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2seaoat wrote:If you believe eugenics is only a modern concept and it just started in the 1870s you are foolish. You pull half facts from the land of Honah Lee and then think you make startling links.....you do not, and I did not run from your question, I simply laughed. Why do you think rape was such an important component of dominant nations in history in defeating an opponent?

My link referenced numerous links and quotes to direct history. What you call a concept was refined and articulated.

Today people call themselves progressives as if it's a cool new idea. It's documented... it has a meaning... it's not good.

Progressivism is govt intervention. It is the use of the federal govt by any means necessary to force subjective ideas.

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2seaoat wrote:Medicare ........this is not what a libertarian would find acceptable.  Simple question.  What would you suggest replace the same.

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Simple. Since it's so damn important to you that everyone have health care we nationalize the whole damn system and put all of it's employees on the new government/military pay scale. Doctors are equivalent to O-3 & 4's while nurses are senior enlisted.

Don't like that answer? Then let charity in it's true form with no government intervention take care of the problem of those who can't afford health care.

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TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

Damaged Eagle wrote:
2seaoat wrote:Medicare ........this is not what a libertarian would find acceptable.  Simple question.  What would you suggest replace the same.

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Simple. Since it's so damn important to you that everyone have health care we nationalize the whole damn system and put all of it's employees on the new government/military pay scale. Doctors are equivalent to O-3 & 4's while nurses are senior enlisted.

Don't like that answer? Then let charity in it's true form with no government intervention take care of the problem of those who can't afford health care.

*****CHUCKLE*****

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-6a9jC-K8I

Charity is to demeaning. Government guns in everyone's face while government goons rob you is much more dignified. If you had real charity how does that benefit government ? People might even thank their neighbors or give glory too God instead of the State.

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I'ma thinkin' that doctors uniforms should be chartreuse and nurses uniforms should all be salmon.

Oh and health care administration should wear chartreuse and salmon plaid.

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TEOTWAWKI wrote:Charity is to demeaning. Government guns in everyone's face while government goons rob you is much more dignified. If you had real charity how does that benefit government ? People might even thank their neighbors or give glory too God instead of the State.  

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You shouldn't criticize big government Teo. The supposedly enlightened progressive liberals are doing what's best for you.

Quit being a nonconformist! Damn it!!!!!

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TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI


I kind of live on a hill sorta...

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Medical savings accounts are the answer? Uh huh. So a family that has $10,000 in their account and has a child w/ cancer doesn't get treatment? This is what you want all you tighty righty's?

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

Stop griping at Chrissy this President told you where the problem really is....

Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired
Signifies, in the final sense, a theft
From those who hunger and are not fed,
Those who are cold and are not clothed

Pres Eisenhower's Farewell Address

Perhaps if we directed our frustration at those corporations that manufacture killing machines and the congressmen that make sure they get lots of our tax money.

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TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

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TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

From those two charts it appears we are the most warlike, dangerous and sickest country in the developed world. Maybe there is a correlation. A glutton digs his grave with his own teeth after-all.

Mexicans live almost as long as we do and spend about 1/10th on medical care relative to us per capita.

Hospital Bob

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TEOTWAWKI wrote:From those two charts it appears we are the most warlike, dangerous and sickest country in the developed world. Maybe there is a correlation. A glutton digs his grave with his own teeth after-all.

Mexicans live almost as long as we do and spend about 1/10th on medical care relative to us per capita.

Follow the money.  To which pockets the trail leads you to.  That is, if there is a way for us to do that because I haven't found the trail yet.

Yella

Yella

TEOTWAWKI wrote:Stop griping at Chrissy this President told you where the problem really is....

Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired
Signifies, in the final sense, a theft
From those who hunger and are not fed,
Those who are cold and are not clothed

Pres Eisenhower's Farewell Address

Perhaps if we directed our frustration at those corporations that manufacture killing machines and the congressmen that make sure they get lots of our tax money.

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Sadly, we have become a warrior nation. War and the manufacture and sales of War Materials to our own governmend at prices far beyond what most would consider price gouging, we also sell to our enemies who will use them on our own people.. Crime is another huge part of our ecoonmy. Millions of Americans have jobs that deal in crime and punishment.. Then there is the Healthcare Industry that overcharges Americans at unheard of prices as CEOs pull in millions of dollars as the heads of "NONProfit" companies. Why do we let this occur?

http://warpedinblue,blogspot.com/

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Dreamsglore wrote:Medical savings accounts are the answer? Uh huh. So a family that has $10,000 in their account and has a child w/ cancer doesn't get treatment? This is what you want all you tighty righty's?

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You're free to give up all your worldly possessions and live as a saint if that's what you want to do. That's one of the great things about this country is the freedom to choose.

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PBulldog2

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2seaoat wrote:Medicare ........this is not what a libertarian would find acceptable.  Simple question.  What would you suggest replace the same.

That is another reason I fell into the "far left-leaning libertarian" label when I took a quiz on this forum about three years ago.

It is hard to reconcile libertarian values with social justice.

I was so far down and to the left on that quiz I almost earned the "anarchist" label, which is probably more appropriate.  Laughing

EDIT: Oh....and to answer your question. You already know my answer. We need a single payer, national health care plan. Period.

By God, if I'm going to work and pay taxes, I want my taxes to go toward something that provides the best outcome for the most people, and that is single payer health care.

PBulldog2

PBulldog2

Forums work, if a person has an open mind.

I know I was shocked three years ago to learn that so many of my ideals closely coincided with those of anarcho-syndicalism. I was shocked to learn I must be a revolutionary of some stripe. I was surprised to learn that Noam Chomsky's works made perfect sense to me.

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there's nothing wrong with medical savings accounts.

if you think there is something wrong with them, then how can you support social security and medicare. that's basically what they are. except the gov raided those funds and now has to borrow money to pay out on the debt from those programs, and the interest rate keeps compounding year after year.

and there is NO PERFECT solution. you guys are living in a utopian dream world. even in other countries where there is socialized medicine IT IS NOT PERFECT and it is BANKRUPTING those countries. we have been bailing those countries out if you havnt noticed.

but I understand, having people be a little responsible for their OWN healthcare is a odd idea for y'all. your solution to everything is that the GOV can do it better. and I laugh at you, because I don't see one damn thing the gov can do better or has proven to do better. all it does is get involved, make a bunch of regulations which increases the COST of everything it is involved with. This is a fact.

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There's nothing wrong w/ medical savings accounts for the poor,eh and you're comparing them to social security insurance? This is one of the many reasons why you are an idiot.

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Dreamsglore wrote:There's nothing wrong w/ medical savings accounts for the poor,eh and you're comparing them to social security insurance? This is one of the many reasons why you are an idiot.

oh I get it. what yall want is a bunch of free stuff for people that never ever work at all.

because that few % that always comes out of EVERYONES pay when they work for those social benefits known as SS and medicare isn't a savings account. Not really because the GOV can raid it at their will.

again, there is no perfect solution. the one now called obamacare isn't a perfect solution either. even your dream world of single payer for all is not perfect.

so forget perfect. it doesn't exist.

and the idea of people paying for their own shit is just beyond people like you who worship big gov

There are lots of things that can be done. a savings account is one thing, vouchers are another, there really are not that many LEGAL people in this country that are not covered.

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Ok again for the misinformed and ignorant. People who get welfare already get medicaid. They are not the people who Obamacare is for. Obamacare is for the working poor who cannot afford healthcare. These people do work and do pay SS and medicare taxes.You simply do not know what you are talking about.There are many working poor in this country who do have healthcare because they don't make enough money. These are not illegal aliens. How can they have a savings account when they can barely afford to live? And what is a voucher? Something you made up?

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