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Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob
I've decided to do what everyone else does. And that's to vote only for my own selfish interests.

We already know Obama is gonna take a bunch of money out of Medicare.
That's because us seniors are not his voting base. His voting base are whippersnappers (like bds of Florida). Seniors are mostly republican voters.
So to get votes, Obama/democrats will take from Medicare to get the whippersnappers on the health insurance rolls.

Romney has to cater to seniors since that's his voting base. That's why his rhetoric is "I will throw out the whole Obamacare the first day of office". Of course that's just a load of horseshit to get seniors to vote for him.

BUT, my Medicare benefits DO have a better chance of being cut less with Romney/republicans in office simply because Medicare recipients are his voting base.
So between the two I'll have to vote for Romney. I'm now a one issue voter. And the one issue is me.



Last edited by Buttman on 8/3/2012, 8:33 am; edited 1 time in total

othershoe1030

othershoe1030
Romney backs (note date and time) the Ryan plan which lets seniors use vouchers to shop for medical care rather than continue Medicare as it is. Are you looking forward to that? Privatizing medical care even more than it is now? Leaving your care decisions to the insurance companies?Let's see, your medical needs or their profits? Wonder how that would work?

Sal

Sal
Romney is a better socialist than Obama? How does that work?

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othershoe1030 wrote:Romney backs (note date and time) the Ryan plan which lets seniors use vouchers to shop for medical care rather than continue Medicare as it is. Are you looking forward to that? Privatizing medical care even more than it is now? Leaving your care decisions to the insurance companies?Let's see, your medical needs or their profits? Wonder how that would work?

As opposed to the Government managing the healthcare!...Example: Postal Services only this time it's not the mail it's HEALTH!...This name [COWH] Care is such a wonderful plan that there has to be punitive measure/tax added to gain compliance and even at that some say they'll pay the penalty and that will be cheaper to do...

othershoe1030

othershoe1030
Newsfan wrote:
othershoe1030 wrote:Romney backs (note date and time) the Ryan plan which lets seniors use vouchers to shop for medical care rather than continue Medicare as it is. Are you looking forward to that? Privatizing medical care even more than it is now? Leaving your care decisions to the insurance companies?Let's see, your medical needs or their profits? Wonder how that would work?

As opposed to the Government managing the healthcare!...Example: Postal Services only this time it's not the mail it's HEALTH!...This name [COWH] Care is such a wonderful plan that there has to be punitive measure/tax added to gain compliance and even at that some say they'll pay the penalty and that will be cheaper to do...
At least the government isn't refusing services based on services vs advertising and CEO pay, profits. Why do you think the ACA required the insurance companies to spend AT LEAST 80% of what they take in on actual medical services?

As for companies paying penalties rather than provide the health care I'd say it was just great because we might end up with single payer as a result. Ever think of that?

VectorMan

VectorMan
othershoe1030 wrote:
Newsfan wrote:
othershoe1030 wrote:Romney backs (note date and time) the Ryan plan which lets seniors use vouchers to shop for medical care rather than continue Medicare as it is. Are you looking forward to that? Privatizing medical care even more than it is now? Leaving your care decisions to the insurance companies?Let's see, your medical needs or their profits? Wonder how that would work?

As opposed to the Government managing the healthcare!...Example: Postal Services only this time it's not the mail it's HEALTH!...This name [COWH] Care is such a wonderful plan that there has to be punitive measure/tax added to gain compliance and even at that some say they'll pay the penalty and that will be cheaper to do...
At least the government isn't refusing services based on services vs advertising and CEO pay, profits. Why do you think the ACA required the insurance companies to spend AT LEAST 80% of what they take in on actual medical services?

As for companies paying penalties rather than provide the health care I'd say it was just great because we might end up with single payer as a result. Ever think of that?

Prepare for the death panels. When you aren't a productive part of society the government run health care will do the minimum and just let the old ones die.

othershoe1030

othershoe1030
To steal a well worn phrase from Markle, "as you well know" the so-called "death panels" were a total naming fabrication by the 1/2 governor of Alaska.

The function she was talking about was Medicare paying for the time a doctor would spend talking to a patient about end of life care not how to end the life.

But hey, death panels is a concept even the talking heads at F news are able to grasp and gee, it sounds so sinister and surely something we should all FEAR and be against.
Thanks for another example of the wingers making things up and passing it off as news and running it into the ground.
Hey, when is Mittens going to show us his tax returns?

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othershoe1030 wrote:
Hey, when is Mittens going to show us his tax returns?

Maybe it will happen during a debate, you know Oblamer can cough up school records if he wants ( I don't care) and Romney can whip out some tax returns (don't care about those either). Might be interesting.

Floridatexan

Floridatexan
Buttman wrote:I've decided to do what everyone else does. And that's to vote only for my own selfish interests.

We already know Obama is gonna take a bunch of money out of Medicare.
That's because us seniors are not his voting base. His voting base are whippersnappers (like bds of Florida). Seniors are mostly republican voters.
So to get votes, Obama/democrats will take from Medicare to get the whippersnappers on the health insurance rolls.

Romney has to cater to seniors since that's his voting base. That's why his rhetoric is "I will throw out the whole Obamacare the first day of office". Of course that's just a load of horseshit to get seniors to vote for him.

BUT, my Medicare benefits DO have a better chance of being cut less with Romney/republicans in office simply because Medicare recipients are his voting base.
So between the two I'll have to vote for Romney. I'm now a one issue voter. And the one issue is me.

What in the world would lead you to believe that a Romney presidency would in ANY WAY benefit you?

10This thread has now been renamed The EVERYTHING WE NEED TO KNOW ABOUT POTENTIAL CHANGES IN MEDICARE THREAD Empty Ryan's Medicare cuts on 8/2/2012, 10:10 pm

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http://www.medicarerights.org/issues-actions/medicare-watch.php?utm_source=Medicare-Watch-email&utm_medium=e-mail&utm_term=mcw&utm_content=mcw&utm_campaign=MCW+8.2.12

Read the full edition and what Kaiser has spelled out what Ryan wants to do. I sure wanted to vote for Romney but right now after reading this article and others about Ryan I am just not sure I won't vote for Obama, even though he has screwed up my lively hood. It boils down to how my healthcare is handled in 10 years and under Ryan's plan, well let's just say that is the real death panel.

Markle

Markle
othershoe1030 wrote:To steal a well worn phrase from Markle, "as you well know" the so-called "death panels" were a total naming fabrication by the 1/2 governor of Alaska.

The function she was talking about was Medicare paying for the time a doctor would spend talking to a patient about end of life care not how to end the life.

But hey, death panels is a concept even the talking heads at F news are able to grasp and gee, it sounds so sinister and surely something we should all FEAR and be against.

Thanks for another example of the wingers making things up and passing it off as news and running it into the ground.

Hey, when is Mittens going to show us his tax returns?

IF the Death Panels did not exist, why were they removed from ObamaCare after former Governor Sarah Palin made them public?

IF the Death Panels, which did not exist, were removed from ObamaCare, why were they then returned to the regulations in ObamaCare in the middle of the night on December 25, 2010?

As for Mitt Romney's tax returns, when is Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid going to make public HIS tax returns? Are Democrats so desperate that they would push Harry Reid to make an incredible, unfounded allegation like that with nothing?

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob
reaper1948 wrote:http://www.medicarerights.org/issues-actions/medicare-watch.php?utm_source=Medicare-Watch-email&utm_medium=e-mail&utm_term=mcw&utm_content=mcw&utm_campaign=MCW+8.2.12

Read the full edition and what Kaiser has spelled out what Ryan wants to do. I sure wanted to vote for Romney but right now after reading this article and others about Ryan I am just not sure I won't vote for Obama, even though he has screwed up my lively hood. It boils down to how my healthcare is handled in 10 years and under Ryan's plan, well let's just say that is the real death panel.

Read this page and help us try to comprehend it...

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/01/us-usa-healthcare-costs-idUSBRE8701MS20120801

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Buttman wrote:
reaper1948 wrote:http://www.medicarerights.org/issues-actions/medicare-watch.php?utm_source=Medicare-Watch-email&utm_medium=e-mail&utm_term=mcw&utm_content=mcw&utm_campaign=MCW+8.2.12

Read the full edition and what Kaiser has spelled out what Ryan wants to do. I sure wanted to vote for Romney but right now after reading this article and others about Ryan I am just not sure I won't vote for Obama, even though he has screwed up my lively hood. It boils down to how my healthcare is handled in 10 years and under Ryan's plan, well let's just say that is the real death panel.

Read this page and help us try to comprehend it...



They most certainly jump around in that article, some of that goes from Medicare to employer sponsor health plans (which to me would be group insurance for working people under 65)

The part about the good doctor's being compensated more than others I believe has always been in the ahca. The fee for service (moving away from) is referring to what we have all known for years, a senior get's Medicare and purchases a supplement. That is fee for service. So I would imagine they would expand Medicare Advantage. Legislation now and I don't know if this was Obama administration, but has been set up to change the medigap or supplement as most call it plan C and F in 2015 to put more burden on the beneficiary. But that little piece is in my opinion is stupid because it's the insurance companies that save the money by doing that and not the government.

So there are many options on the table but what I'm saying if Ryans ever has a remote chance to pass then we're all in very deep shit (the one's on Medicare) and I imagine his option would be very popular with the under 50 crowd who don't know much about how Medicare works today. My concern was a voucher program with a cap, definitely sounds like a death panel lol.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/01/us-usa-healthcare-costs-idUSBRE8701MS20120801

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reaper1948 wrote:
Buttman wrote:
reaper1948 wrote:http://www.medicarerights.org/issues-actions/medicare-watch.php?utm_source=Medicare-Watch-email&utm_medium=e-mail&utm_term=mcw&utm_content=mcw&utm_campaign=MCW+8.2.12

Read the full edition and what Kaiser has spelled out what Ryan wants to do. I sure wanted to vote for Romney but right now after reading this article and others about Ryan I am just not sure I won't vote for Obama, even though he has screwed up my lively hood. It boils down to how my healthcare is handled in 10 years and under Ryan's plan, well let's just say that is the real death panel.

Read this page and help us try to comprehend it...



They most certainly jump around in that article, some of that goes from Medicare to employer sponsor health plans (which to me would be group insurance for working people under 65)

The part about the good doctor's being compensated more than others I believe has always been in the ahca. The fee for service (moving away from) is referring to what we have all known for years, a senior get's Medicare and purchases a supplement. That is fee for service. So I would imagine they would expand Medicare Advantage. Legislation now and I don't know if this was Obama administration, but has been set up to change the medigap or supplement as most call it plan C and F in 2015 to put more burden on the beneficiary. But that little piece is in my opinion is stupid because it's the insurance companies that save the money by doing that and not the government.

So there are many options on the table but what I'm saying if Ryans ever has a remote chance to pass then we're all in very deep shit (the one's on Medicare) and I imagine his option would be very popular with the under 50 crowd who don't know much about how Medicare works today. My concern was a voucher program with a cap, definitely sounds like a death panel lol.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/01/us-usa-healthcare-costs-idUSBRE8701MS20120801

Oh btw I won't be voting for Obama and if Romney's VP is Ryan I'll just sit this election out. Rubio would be my choice for VP, I don't believe he would throw the seniors in Florida under the bus if he had any future political plans.

In fact when you look at Ryan's Medicare plan it really (if you think about it) sounds like something those yankee liberals might bring up. Twisted Evil

ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM
reaper1948 wrote:
reaper1948 wrote:
Buttman wrote:
reaper1948 wrote:http://www.medicarerights.org/issues-actions/medicare-watch.php?utm_source=Medicare-Watch-email&utm_medium=e-mail&utm_term=mcw&utm_content=mcw&utm_campaign=MCW+8.2.12

Read the full edition and what Kaiser has spelled out what Ryan wants to do. I sure wanted to vote for Romney but right now after reading this article and others about Ryan I am just not sure I won't vote for Obama, even though he has screwed up my lively hood. It boils down to how my healthcare is handled in 10 years and under Ryan's plan, well let's just say that is the real death panel.

Read this page and help us try to comprehend it...



They most certainly jump around in that article, some of that goes from Medicare to employer sponsor health plans (which to me would be group insurance for working people under 65)

The part about the good doctor's being compensated more than others I believe has always been in the ahca. The fee for service (moving away from) is referring to what we have all known for years, a senior get's Medicare and purchases a supplement. That is fee for service. So I would imagine they would expand Medicare Advantage. Legislation now and I don't know if this was Obama administration, but has been set up to change the medigap or supplement as most call it plan C and F in 2015 to put more burden on the beneficiary. But that little piece is in my opinion is stupid because it's the insurance companies that save the money by doing that and not the government.

So there are many options on the table but what I'm saying if Ryans ever has a remote chance to pass then we're all in very deep shit (the one's on Medicare) and I imagine his option would be very popular with the under 50 crowd who don't know much about how Medicare works today. My concern was a voucher program with a cap, definitely sounds like a death panel lol.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/01/us-usa-healthcare-costs-idUSBRE8701MS20120801

Oh btw I won't be voting for Obama and if Romney's VP is Ryan I'll just sit this election out. Rubio would be my choice for VP, I don't believe he would throw the seniors in Florida under the bus if he had any future political plans.

In fact when you look at Ryan's Medicare plan it really (if you think about it) sounds like something those yankee liberals might bring up. Twisted Evil

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Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob
Here's some more info...

WASHINGTON -- A new Republican budget would repeal President Barack Obama's health care overhaul but put future retirees in a version of Medicare that strangely resembles one of the key cogs in that same plan.

Sound contradictory?

Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wis., the top GOP budget writer, borrowed the idea of insurance exchanges, a big pooled marketplace, from the health care law enacted in Massachusetts when GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney was governor. Ryan wants to set one up for Medicare.

Obama borrowed the same idea to make exchanges available to uninsured working families through his law.

Experts who see some agreement rather than irreconcilable differences are scratching their heads and wondering if politicians of both parties may have more in common than they care to admit to voters in the heat of an election year.

"It's almost as if the roles of the players are being reversed," said Sen. Ron Wyden, D-Ore. "It is almost ideologically incoherent." A centrist, Wyden is co-author of a version of the Ryan Medicare plan and also voted for Obama's health care law. He does not support the spending cuts in Ryan's latest plan.

"There does seem to be an odd inconsistency on both sides," said economist Gail Wilensky, who ran Medicare for President George H.W. Bush and advises Republicans.

Ryan's new budget would begin a gradual shift, reshaping Medicare for retirees, starting with the tail end of the baby-boom generation. The basic government program would remain in place for current beneficiaries and anyone now 55 or older.

But future retirees now 54 or younger would get a payment from the government – called premium support by Republicans and a voucher by Democrats – to pick a health insurance plan through a new Medicare exchange. Private insurance plans would compete directly with a new government option modeled on the traditional program in the Medicare marketplace.

It's close to the idea that Obama originally tried to get through Congress back in 2009. Early versions of the president's overhaul featured a competition between private insurance and a government plan.

"On the one hand, (Ryan's) proposal repeals exchanges created under the health reform law to provide coverage for the uninsured, while on the other, sets up new insurance exchanges for already insured seniors," said Tricia Neuman, top Medicare policy expert for the nonpartisan Kaiser Family Foundation, an information clearinghouse on the health care system.

To be sure, there are many major differences between the latest GOP plan and what the president and the Democrats support.

Chiefly, the GOP plan envisions holding the cost growth of Medicare well below long-range forecasts for the next 40 years. On top of that, it calls for ending the federal entitlement to health care for the poor, turning Medicaid over to the states. Spending on that program would plunge as a share of the overall economy. Many of Medicaid's costliest cases are low-income elderly patients with serious disabilities.

"The bigger issue here is whether the constraints on government spending will result in seniors paying more for the same set of benefits they get today and what all of these changes, taken together, will mean for their costs and care," Neuman added.

Republicans attacked Obama's health care law for cutting Medicare by $500 billion, warning it could lead to hospitals going out of business, reducing access for seniors and stifling promising new medical technologies. On Tuesday, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office said the new GOP plan runs the same risks – only worse.

"At least some of those effects would of necessity be a great deal stronger (under the GOP plan) because spending would be so much lower," the CBO said in an early analysis.

The proposed Medicaid cuts are too deep even for some Republicans.

"I am not sure I am comfortable with the level of reductions implied here," said Wilensky, who also oversaw Medicaid when she was in government. "The numbers, I think, are pretty drastic."

Medicaid is now a federal-state partnership through which Washington provides most of the funding and writes most of the rules. Wilensky questions turning it over to the states.

A grand bargain on deficits and the budget eluded Obama and House GOP leaders last year. With the election approaching, it's even less likely this year.

But if Obama is re-elected and his health care law is upheld by the Supreme Court, Wyden sees Medicare exchanges and a premium support system as the basis for a deal to reduce health care costs. He said Democrats would be hard pressed to argue against the idea if it is working for people under 65 as a result of the health care overhaul.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/21/paul-ryan-medicare-plan-obama-health-care-law_n_1369257.html

Floridatexan

Floridatexan
Markle wrote:
othershoe1030 wrote:To steal a well worn phrase from Markle, "as you well know" the so-called "death panels" were a total naming fabrication by the 1/2 governor of Alaska.

The function she was talking about was Medicare paying for the time a doctor would spend talking to a patient about end of life care not how to end the life.

But hey, death panels is a concept even the talking heads at F news are able to grasp and gee, it sounds so sinister and surely something we should all FEAR and be against.

Thanks for another example of the wingers making things up and passing it off as news and running it into the ground.

Hey, when is Mittens going to show us his tax returns?

IF the Death Panels did not exist, why were they removed from ObamaCare after former Governor Sarah Palin made them public?

IF the Death Panels, which did not exist, were removed from ObamaCare, why were they then returned to the regulations in ObamaCare in the middle of the night on December 25, 2010?

As for Mitt Romney's tax returns, when is Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid going to make public HIS tax returns? Are Democrats so desperate that they would push Harry Reid to make an incredible, unfounded allegation like that with nothing?

End-of-life counseling is not a "death panel". If anything, what I've witnessed and experienced is the reverse. Hospitals want to keep patients alive by any means, even when there are no signs of brain activity. It's easy to delay a meeting of the ethics committee while a patient racks up hospital charges, which some hospitals then try to collect from relatives.

Floridatexan

Floridatexan
Buttman wrote:I've decided to do what everyone else does. And that's to vote only for my own selfish interests.

We already know Obama is gonna take a bunch of money out of Medicare.
That's because us seniors are not his voting base. His voting base are whippersnappers (like bds of Florida). Seniors are mostly republican voters.
So to get votes, Obama/democrats will take from Medicare to get the whippersnappers on the health insurance rolls.

Romney has to cater to seniors since that's his voting base. That's why his rhetoric is "I will throw out the whole Obamacare the first day of office". Of course that's just a load of horseshit to get seniors to vote for him.

BUT, my Medicare benefits DO have a better chance of being cut less with Romney/republicans in office simply because Medicare recipients are his voting base.
So between the two I'll have to vote for Romney. I'm now a one issue voter. And the one issue is me.

"We" don't know anything of the kind. Healthcare reform was a key component of Obama's first term. If anyone is trying to kill Medicare, it's the Republican Party and their "vouchers". And all seniors ARE NOT Republicans, thank God.

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ZVUGKTUBM wrote:
reaper1948 wrote:
reaper1948 wrote:
Buttman wrote:
reaper1948 wrote:http://www.medicarerights.org/issues-actions/medicare-watch.php?utm_source=Medicare-Watch-email&utm_medium=e-mail&utm_term=mcw&utm_content=mcw&utm_campaign=MCW+8.2.12

Read the full edition and what Kaiser has spelled out what Ryan wants to do. I sure wanted to vote for Romney but right now after reading this article and others about Ryan I am just not sure I won't vote for Obama, even though he has screwed up my lively hood. It boils down to how my healthcare is handled in 10 years and under Ryan's plan, well let's just say that is the real death panel.

Read this page and help us try to comprehend it...




That puts it all in a nutshell. One reason to get elected today is to network your way into a multi million job when you retire from Washington or either get voted out. Not one of those sob's could give a shit about us. What they do is put junk on the table, get the masses all worked up then go to the local whore house at night together and laugh it all off when what they said earlier in the day comes out on the nightly news. Twisted Evil



They most certainly jump around in that article, some of that goes from Medicare to employer sponsor health plans (which to me would be group insurance for working people under 65)

The part about the good doctor's being compensated more than others I believe has always been in the ahca. The fee for service (moving away from) is referring to what we have all known for years, a senior get's Medicare and purchases a supplement. That is fee for service. So I would imagine they would expand Medicare Advantage. Legislation now and I don't know if this was Obama administration, but has been set up to change the medigap or supplement as most call it plan C and F in 2015 to put more burden on the beneficiary. But that little piece is in my opinion is stupid because it's the insurance companies that save the money by doing that and not the government.

So there are many options on the table but what I'm saying if Ryans ever has a remote chance to pass then we're all in very deep shit (the one's on Medicare) and I imagine his option would be very popular with the under 50 crowd who don't know much about how Medicare works today. My concern was a voucher program with a cap, definitely sounds like a death panel lol.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/01/us-usa-healthcare-costs-idUSBRE8701MS20120801

Oh btw I won't be voting for Obama and if Romney's VP is Ryan I'll just sit this election out. Rubio would be my choice for VP, I don't believe he would throw the seniors in Florida under the bus if he had any future political plans.

In fact when you look at Ryan's Medicare plan it really (if you think about it) sounds like something those yankee liberals might bring up. Twisted Evil

I thought you would like this .gif, reaper....

This thread has now been renamed The EVERYTHING WE NEED TO KNOW ABOUT POTENTIAL CHANGES IN MEDICARE THREAD Bushbamney-insanity-nobody

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Floridatexan wrote:
Markle wrote:
othershoe1030 wrote:To steal a well worn phrase from Markle, "as you well know" the so-called "death panels" were a total naming fabrication by the 1/2 governor of Alaska.

The function she was talking about was Medicare paying for the time a doctor would spend talking to a patient about end of life care not how to end the life.

But hey, death panels is a concept even the talking heads at F news are able to grasp and gee, it sounds so sinister and surely something we should all FEAR and be against.

Thanks for another example of the wingers making things up and passing it off as news and running it into the ground.

Hey, when is Mittens going to show us his tax returns?

IF the Death Panels did not exist, why were they removed from ObamaCare after former Governor Sarah Palin made them public?

IF the Death Panels, which did not exist, were removed from ObamaCare, why were they then returned to the regulations in ObamaCare in the middle of the night on December 25, 2010?

As for Mitt Romney's tax returns, when is Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid going to make public HIS tax returns? Are Democrats so desperate that they would push Harry Reid to make an incredible, unfounded allegation like that with nothing?

End-of-life counseling is not a "death panel". If anything, what I've witnessed and experienced is the reverse. Hospitals want to keep patients alive by any means, even when there are no signs of brain activity. It's easy to delay a meeting of the ethics committee while a patient racks up hospital charges, which some hospitals then try to collect from relatives.

You are correct, in fact right here in Pensacola there is a person that solicits the patients at the local hospitals that want to pull the plug and this person gets them to send this person to an acute hospital to sustain life as long as possible. Is this to give the family more time with them or is it about the money?

21This thread has now been renamed The EVERYTHING WE NEED TO KNOW ABOUT POTENTIAL CHANGES IN MEDICARE THREAD Empty Bob on 8/3/2012, 9:09 am

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Bob I'm going to write in my vote for Barry on the storage wars. Twisted Evil

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob
Floridatexan wrote:

"We" don't know anything of the kind. Healthcare reform was a key component of Obama's first term. If anyone is trying to kill Medicare, it's the Republican Party and their "vouchers". And all seniors ARE NOT Republicans, thank God.
I started this thread thinking I knew something. I'm now not knowing anything and starting from scratch to learn anything and everything I can about what's going to happen with Medicare and if/how the outcome of the election will influence that.

I am now strictly a one-issue voter. Just like the people who only vote to stop abortion or only vote to put prayers in schools. I don't give a goddamn shit about anything now except trying to preserve Medicare in my old age.
So I'm going to focus only on that from now on.

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Buttman wrote:
Floridatexan wrote:

"We" don't know anything of the kind. Healthcare reform was a key component of Obama's first term. If anyone is trying to kill Medicare, it's the Republican Party and their "vouchers". And all seniors ARE NOT Republicans, thank God.
I started this thread thinking I knew something. I'm now not knowing anything and starting from scratch to learn anything and everything I can about what's going to happen with Medicare and if/how the outcome of the election will influence that.

I am now strictly a one-issue voter. Just like the people who only vote to stop abortion or only vote to put prayers in schools. I don't give a goddamn shit about anything now except trying to preserve Medicare in my old age.
So I'm going to focus only on that from now on.

Well keep this in the back of your mind: There are approximately 10,000 Americans turning 65 everyday and even though the politicians are for themselves I can't see them screwing that many people over or they will eventually lose their job in Washington. It is all confusing and they want it to be. Ryan when he speaks does not come across in the least little way of being honest to me, but then again not many of them do. I did not like Rubio 2 years ago and did not vote for him, but my mind has changed and I want to believe what the guys says. As far as Obama and Romney I believe neither.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob
reaper1948 wrote:

Well keep this in the back of your mind: There are approximately 10,000 Americans turning 65 everyday and even though the politicians are for themselves I can't see them screwing that many people over or they will eventually lose their job in Washington. It is all confusing and they want it to be. Ryan when he speaks does not come across in the least little way of being honest to me, but then again not many of them do. I did not like Rubio 2 years ago and did not vote for him, but my mind has changed and I want to believe what the guys says. As far as Obama and Romney I believe neither.
Well one thing is an indisputable fact. The government is flat broke and flat broken. So us seniors are gonna have to fight for every Medicare dollar and we're going to need the best politicians we can buy. And I couldn't care less if they call themselves a republican, democrat, a tea party or a tupperware party. I just want to buy the ones who will vote for our interests.

ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM
Buttman wrote:
reaper1948 wrote:

Well keep this in the back of your mind: There are approximately 10,000 Americans turning 65 everyday and even though the politicians are for themselves I can't see them screwing that many people over or they will eventually lose their job in Washington. It is all confusing and they want it to be. Ryan when he speaks does not come across in the least little way of being honest to me, but then again not many of them do. I did not like Rubio 2 years ago and did not vote for him, but my mind has changed and I want to believe what the guys says. As far as Obama and Romney I believe neither.
Well one thing is an indisputable fact. The government is flat broke and flat broken. So us seniors are gonna have to fight for every Medicare dollar and we're going to need the best politicians we can buy. And I couldn't care less if they call themselves a republican, democrat, a tea party or a tupperware party. I just want to buy the ones who will vote for our interests.

I read a very somber book earlier this year that was written in 1997 and which predicted the tough times we are only beginning to enter (we have not seen the worst of it yet). This book, the Fourth Turning, claims that the Silent generation (those born between 1924 and 1942) is the last generation to recieve full Social Security. The Boomers are not going to get all that they were promised, and those that follow us will get even less, if anything.

The authors of this book state that when the Millenial Generation starts assuming control of the reigns of government, they are going to make the cuts that our generation's politicians failed to do. They are going to spare no one and grandma/grandpa will get a shave, along with nearly everyone else who gets something from the government.

Here is what the authors say about Boomers:

"For Boomers, Social Security will be the object of fatalism and sarcasm. Some will get it, and some won't. The typical Boomer will live on bits and pieces of SEP-IRAs, Keoghs, 401Ks, federal benefits, and assorted corporate pension scraps that will vary enormously from person to person. For many, this will add up to a lot; for many others, nearly nothing. When the market hits bottom, millions of Boomers will find themselves at the brink of old age with far smaller nest eggs than they ever expected. They will immediately have to make do with steeply diminished material consumption."

Howe, Neil; Strauss, William (2009-01-16). The Fourth Turning (Kindle Locations 6082-6086). Random House, Inc.. Kindle Edition.

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