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Should we have a weekly "Ask a Libertarian!" thread?

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Now that libertarians are making a run on the republican party, and given the fact that we have several libertarians in our midst, should we not have an "Ask a Libertarian!" thread each week?

We basically present real world issues to libertarians, and then they have our utmost attention as they explain how the invisible hand guides all interactions to an ideal economic optimum...cough cough


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TEOTWAWKI

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How would that work you folks don't want answers that make sense. You guys are so in love with the same old song. The title would be bomb it or tax it. The Warfare or welfare that Ron Paul spoke so eloquently about.This place reminds me of Oz,  RINOs and NEOCONs and PROGRESSIVEs oh my. barf barf.

PBulldog2

PBulldog2

Only if you include those far, far left leaning libertarians.  Twisted Evil 

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Millions of citizens making their own decisions in their own best interest isn't the american way or human nature anymore... there might be some grumbles wishing it were so... but we are headed the opposite direction by any objective measure.

The exercise should be to take any given issue... then everyone can suggest a progressive authoritarian govt solution.

Bonus points for interventions and edicts that bypass the constitution, the check and balance of the federal govt, and the will of the majority of the people. Double points if the solution can be expanded to control more people and issues later.

That is the new "democracy". It's silly to entertain an ideology that is dying out and will certainly be extinct in a few generations.

Sal

Sal

PkrBum wrote:It's silly to entertain an ideology that is dying out and will certainly be extinct in a few generations.


Nah.


Fairy tales are timeless. 


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TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

A1. What is a libertarian?

The word means approximately "believer in liberty". Libertarians believe in individual conscience and individual choice, and reject the use of force or fraud to compel others except in response to force or fraud. (This latter is called the "Non-Coercion Principle" and is the one thing all libertarians agree on.)
A2. What do libertarians want to do?

Help individuals take more control over their own lives. Take the state (and other self-appointed representatives of "society") out of private decisions. Abolish both halves of the welfare/warfare bureaucracy (privatizing real services) and liberate the 7/8ths of our wealth that's now soaked up by the costs of a bloated and ineffective government, to make us all richer and freer. Oppose tyranny everywhere, whether it's the obvious variety driven by greed and power-lust or the subtler, well-intentioned kinds that coerce people "for their own good" but against their wills.
A3. Where does libertarianism come from?

Modern libertarianism has multiple roots. Perhaps the oldest is the minimal-government republicanism of the U.S.'s founding revolutionaries, especially Thomas Jefferson and the Anti-Federalists. Adam Smith, John Stuart Mill and the "classical liberals" of the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries were another key influence. More recently, Ayn Rand's philosophy of "ethical egoism" and the Austrian School of free-market capitalist economics have both contributed important ideas. Libertarianism is alone among 20th-century secular radicalisms in owing virtually nothing to Marxism.

A4. How do libertarians differ from "liberals"?

Once upon a time (in the 1800s), "liberal" and "libertarian" meant the same thing; "liberals" were individualist, distrustful of state power, pro-free- market, and opposed to the entrenched privilege of the feudal and mercantilist system. After 1870, the "liberals" were gradually seduced (primarily by the Fabian socialists) into believing that the state could and should be used to guarantee "social justice". They largely forgot about individual freedom, especially economic freedom, and nowadays spend most of their time justifying higher taxes, bigger government, and more regulation. Libertarians call this socialism without the brand label and want no part of it.

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PkrBum wrote:The exercise should be  to take any given issue... then everyone can suggest a progressive authoritarian govt solution.

this is what we have now.  Wink 

btw..PB needs to look at A4 on teos list.

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TEOTWAWKI wrote:How would that work you folks don't want answers that make sense. You guys are so in love with the same old song. The title would be bomb it or tax it. The Warfare or welfare that Ron Paul spoke so eloquently about.This place  reminds me of Oz,  RINOs and NEOCONs and PROGRESSIVEs oh my. barf barf.

Yep. One person throws an idea out and then 10 of you liberals (Boards et al) pounce on it and call it racist because it is anti-Obama.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

TEOTWAWKI wrote:How would that work you folks don't want answers that make sense. You guys are so in love with the same old song. The title would be bomb it or tax it. The Warfare or welfare that Ron Paul spoke so eloquently about.This place  reminds me of Oz,  RINOs and NEOCONs and PROGRESSIVEs oh my. barf barf.

Another way to characterize it is

democrats say anything that disagrees with them is racist

republicans say anything that disagrees with them is communist (or at least socialist)


or

democrats say government is the solution to everything

republicans say unfettered capitalism is the solution to everything

libertarians?  I'm not as well versed in that.  so do the ask a libertarian thread and we may learn something.

2seaoat



We basically present real world issues to libertarians,

It flew right over the heads of our band of little merry men.........real world issues.....and what would the libertarian solution be? Honah Lee and Ayn Rand fantasy always avoiding the question or the issue is the rule on this forum, and discussing what the alternatives are is a no no.........how far must we dumb down to have a discussion on a real world issue when some wait for puff the magic dragon to solve real world problems.....it is good to believe in something....and puff and a libertarian fantasy without definition is our new rule.

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2seaoat wrote:We basically present real world issues to libertarians,

.........how far must we dumb down .

Y'all cant dumb down any further.

2seaoat



Y'all cant dumb down any further.


The I guess we will never be able to have that conversation on the issues as the usual retreat to Honah Lee does not allow much of an intelligent discussion of current events without retreating to a fantasy world.

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2seaoat wrote:Y'all cant dumb down any further.


The I guess we will never be able to have that conversation on the issues as the usual retreat to Honah Lee does not allow much of an intelligent discussion of current events without retreating to a fantasy world.

The only people in a fantasy world here is you and the rest of the far left.

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2seaoat wrote:We basically present real world issues to libertarians,

It flew right over the heads of our band of little merry men.........real world issues.....and what would the libertarian solution be?   Honah Lee and Ayn Rand fantasy always avoiding the question or the issue is the rule on this forum, and discussing what the alternatives are is a no no.........how far must we dumb down to have a discussion on a real world issue when some wait for puff the magic dragon to solve real world problems.....it is good to believe in something....and puff and a libertarian fantasy without definition is our new rule.

Should we have a weekly "Ask a Libertarian!" thread? Images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQbmM3JfNm8hZudL0S9ZzAkM8l__Zv-oq7DCWUOJ7vwan18k36WdA

Ow.w..w... I love talking about issues. Let's do talk about some... How about we talk about some of those pressing supposedly enlightened progressive liberal social issues...

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2seaoat



Medicare ........this is not what a libertarian would find acceptable. Simple question. What would you suggest replace the same.

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2seaoat wrote:Medicare ........this is not what a libertarian would find acceptable.  Simple question.  What would you suggest replace the same.

you cant go back and change what people have already paid into.

but you could start with a savings account with those funds that are forced upon us. Proven that that accounts over the long term grow. a medical savings account per say.

The problem with having the GOV in charge over any of these accounts is that they spend it and then borrow money on it costing the country vast amounts of interest.

So they should be PRIVATE out of the hands of GOv

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A medical savings account? How ridiculous is that? How much would a minimum wage person save in an account when they don't have enough money for food and rent? This is the republicans answer to healthcare.LOL!

2seaoat



They will either run away from the question or attempt to answer the same with some Honah Lee fantasy which does not deal with the practical real life choices which must be made in governing. One try to answer, and the answer is medical savings accounts........let us see the courage of our other pundits who hide in fantasy......puff the magic dragon.

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

Well mr know it all gird yourself up and answer some questions for me.
1. Should everyone get paid the same ?
2. Should people with more money get better healthcare ?
3. Should people making more money be forced to give that money to government for redistribution ?
4. Are some people lazy and bring on their own problems ?
5. Do some people use drugs drink and food in excess and bring on their medical problems?..Who's responsible for that...?

I got a million questions for your undisputed genius to answer but give me a taste with these and I will see if you are not indeed Puff yourself...

2seaoat



Like clean air and clean water, health care should not have an income threshold for basic healthcare, breathing clean air, and drinking clean water. In medicare that basic care is paid up to 80% of the cost with people allowed to supplement their care by policies where you pay more you get more. Medicare for all would provide basic health care for American citizens like most of the civilized world and still allow supplemental policies. payroll deductions, and new revenue sources pay for the health care. done. No fantasy world, and no delay......could be done in less than 10 years.

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Yes... isn't it wonderful that after a noble intent has turned into an enormous bureaucratic boondoggle...

the solutions are so complicated that only another enormous govt intervention can save it. Lather, rense, repeat.

2seaoat



Medicare works.  Medicare has the lowest overhead of any health care program by not for profit or profit.  Please......you have your chance.....T ran.....You have ran......Chrissy tried to give an answer, at least she had the courage of her convictions.   The rest is pure honah lee fantasy.....but nothing new.

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

2seaoat wrote:Medicare works.  Medicare has the lowest overhead of any health care program by not for profit or profit.  Please......you have your chance.....T ran.....You have ran......Chrissy tried to give an answer, at least she had the courage of her convictions.   The rest is pure honah lee fantasy.....but nothing new.

Back in your cave puff, Chrissy had a better solution than yours...Medicare is failing and I guess your solution is to force doctors to take medicare patients at the point of a government gun...take another Puff...puff

http://www.healthitoutcomes.com/doc/doctors-refuse-to-accept-medicare-patients-0001

As doctors become more frustrated with Medicare’s reimbursement rates and rules, many are displaying their dissatisfaction by not treating Medicare patients

CMS – which has never before released Medicare opt-out figures – reports that 9,539 physicians opted out of the Medicare program in 2012. That is up from 3,700 physicians opting out in 2009. All in all, the number of doctors who opted out of Medicare in 2012 nearly tripled from just three years prior

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2seaoat wrote:Medicare works.  Medicare has the lowest overhead of any health care program by not for profit or profit.  Please......you have your chance.....T ran.....You have ran......Chrissy tried to give an answer, at least she had the courage of her convictions.   The rest is pure honah lee fantasy.....but nothing new.

What's there to run from? I'm under no obligation to answer setup questions framed on existing govt programs.

I noticed you ran yesterday over nazi eugenics and it's origins... learn something? Boards ought to answer questions.

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

Medicare’s reimbursement rates can be as low as $58 for a 15 minute office visit. According to The WSJ article, doctors are saying that those kinds of rates force them to see 30 or more patients a day simply to stay afloat.

Medicare is not the only government program losing doctor enrollment. The CMS report also says that fewer doctors are accepting Medicaid patients. A study from Health Affairs (subscription required) found that 33 percent of doctors did not accept new Medicaid patients in 2010 and 2011.

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