Coal: the cleanest energy source there is?

Bob wrote:I gotta tell you, vectorman, 99.83% vs rush limbaugh is kinda hard to argue with. I mean even if we all agree that rush limbaugh is a smarter scientist than any hundred other given scientists put together, that still leaves it at about 99% on one side and 1% on the other.
Hell maybe even if accept that rush limbaugh is a smarter scientist than any given THOUSAND other scientists put together. We're still at about 93% to one here.
And I dunno about you, but when I get 99 to 1 odds or 93 to one odds, I will ALWAYS take that wager.
So I think I just fell off the fence. Thank god for that because it aint easy having the IQ of a toaster. I think I've now at least gained the intelligence of a microwave oven.

Bob wrote:After I wrote that post asking for support for both arguments, vec, I went looking for it myself. Spent about a half hour googling and looking for the pro and the con.
What I found was overwhelmingly one-sided. And it wasn't the limbaugh side.

VectorMan wrote:

Bob wrote:I gotta tell you, vectorman, 99.83% vs rush limbaugh is kinda hard to argue with. I mean even if we all agree that rush limbaugh is a smarter scientist than any hundred other given scientists put together, that still leaves it at about 99% on one side and 1% on the other.
Hell maybe even if accept that rush limbaugh is a smarter scientist than any given THOUSAND other scientists put together. We're still at about 93% to one here.
And I dunno about you, but when I get 99 to 1 odds or 93 to one odds, I will ALWAYS take that wager.
So I think I just fell off the fence. Thank god for that because it aint easy having the IQ of a toaster. I think I've now at least gained the intelligence of a microwave oven.

Maybe you've come up to a convection oven.

I'd still believe Rush over ole Sal. You really can't trust what liberals call facts. You need to check for yourself. From what I've researched, there is plenty of information out there that supports both sides of the argument. But, when the scientists that believe in global warming/man-made-climate-change lie about their findings, I tend to think they have no credibility.

W_T_M wrote:

VectorMan wrote:

Bob wrote:I gotta tell you, vectorman, 99.83% vs rush limbaugh is kinda hard to argue with. I mean even if we all agree that rush limbaugh is a smarter scientist than any hundred other given scientists put together, that still leaves it at about 99% on one side and 1% on the other.
Hell maybe even if accept that rush limbaugh is a smarter scientist than any given THOUSAND other scientists put together. We're still at about 93% to one here.
And I dunno about you, but when I get 99 to 1 odds or 93 to one odds, I will ALWAYS take that wager.
So I think I just fell off the fence. Thank god for that because it aint easy having the IQ of a toaster. I think I've now at least gained the intelligence of a microwave oven.

Maybe you've come up to a convection oven.

I'd still believe Rush over ole Sal. You really can't trust what liberals call facts. You need to check for yourself. From what I've researched, there is plenty of information out there that supports both sides of the argument. But, when the scientists that believe in global warming/man-made-climate-change lie about their findings, I tend to think they have no credibility.

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You deal in broad brush polarizing statements and cannot understand why you are viewed as a boor with his head up ass, denying the obvious in favor of political platitudes muttered in darkened closets crowded with morons.

Ghandi wrote:

Bob,
Follow the money trail.
Which of the two theories puts money in someones pocket?
The other is most likely the truth.

Bob wrote:

Ghandi wrote:

Bob,
Follow the money trail.
Which of the two theories puts money in someones pocket?
The other is most likely the truth.

From what I can discern, ghandi, that absolutely nails most of the politicization of science.
It's the agenda of academics wanting grants on one side and those who profit from fossil fuels on the other side.
That's what makes it all so suspect.

Still googling. But you're right, "following the money" usually does take me where I need to go. But this money trail is as wide as it gets. The googling is telling me it's not easy for my Prius to even stay on that road. But hopefully with the mileage it's getting I'll be able to get to the end of that road. We'll see.

Sal wrote:

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:I can't jump on the climate change bandwagon, either. Especially when many climate-change advocates demand immediate cessation/curtailment of the use of fossil fuels and over-reaching regulations on greenhouse gasses that would be costly to every citizen.

In the modern world, 10 calories of fossil fuels go into every food calorie consumed by an American. If the climate change weenies ever had their way, there would be food shortages in America and a great reduction in the standard of living for all citizens. Not how I would like to see things happen.

Now, I am all for alternative energy, and the expansion of green technologies. They definitely have a place in our world, especially as the cheap and easy oil and coal resources are used up.

That's all well and good, and I would agree there has to be an extended transition away from fossil fuels.

To suggest, however, that there is not a scientific consensus that the atmosphere is warming and that the activities of humans are contributing and accelerating it, is patently false.

Despite the occasional crank or oil company financed hack, scientific consensus on this issue has been achieved.

VectorMan wrote:

W_T_M wrote:

VectorMan wrote:

Bob wrote:I gotta tell you, vectorman, 99.83% vs rush limbaugh is kinda hard to argue with. I mean even if we all agree that rush limbaugh is a smarter scientist than any hundred other given scientists put together, that still leaves it at about 99% on one side and 1% on the other.
Hell maybe even if accept that rush limbaugh is a smarter scientist than any given THOUSAND other scientists put together. We're still at about 93% to one here.
And I dunno about you, but when I get 99 to 1 odds or 93 to one odds, I will ALWAYS take that wager.
So I think I just fell off the fence. Thank god for that because it aint easy having the IQ of a toaster. I think I've now at least gained the intelligence of a microwave oven.

Maybe you've come up to a convection oven.

I'd still believe Rush over ole Sal. You really can't trust what liberals call facts. You need to check for yourself. From what I've researched, there is plenty of information out there that supports both sides of the argument. But, when the scientists that believe in global warming/man-made-climate-change lie about their findings, I tend to think they have no credibility.

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You deal in broad brush polarizing statements and cannot understand why you are viewed as a boor with his head up ass, denying the obvious in favor of political platitudes muttered in darkened closets crowded with morons.

Again, with the unjustified air of superiority. So predictable.

Like I give a damn how someone like you views me. Talk about having one's head up their ass. Carry on. LOL

VectorMan wrote:
Side note: If 2 high school kids, in Chicago, can take a Prius into their garage and make it get 100 mpg[/b]

Bob wrote:Okay after an hour of googling (and that is ALL my attention span can devote to this shit), here's my conclusion.

There is too much noise in the bandwidth for a toaster's intellect to be able to filter it out.
Which is about what I expected before I wasted the hour of my life on it. So I'm now perfectly satisified with not knowing what the truth is.
And when it really gets right down to it, it does not matter one iota what I think anyway because regardless I am powerless to do anything about.
I'm satisfied with doing my part by driving my 50 mpg car. If everyone did that it would go a long way toward helping deal with the problem if indeed one exists. But mainly it's because I don't want to continue to giving so much of my money to oil companies and muslim terrorists who both rely on that oil money. It's my right not to like muslims cause they would put me to death if they had their way. And it's right for me not to like oil companies after I walked onto Pensacola Beach that Saturday morning and saw all that oil washing onto the beach and seeing the pools of what looked like oily molasses in the sand.

That's all I feel I need to say on the subject. The rest of you have at it.

Bob wrote:I have a bad back, Sal.

Sal wrote:Diagnosis - missing spine

Bob wrote:

Sal wrote:Diagnosis - missing spine

I'll have to admit, Sal, that your professional credentials to make that diagnosis are every bit as impressive as Limbaugh's and Gore's professional credentials to be commenting on climatology. lol

Sal wrote:C'mon, Bob.

You've used the magic google machine.

You're a smart guy.

Surely, you can see where the scientific community is on this issue.

It is in no way ambiguous.

Sal wrote:

You've used the magic google machine.