Obama screws up on health care bill---millions of poor left out--

Chrissy wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:

Chrissy wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:

Chrissy wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:Let's see 46 million people in poverty in the US and the other half w/ one foot on a banana peel. This is the land where if you work hard you will succeed.Right? Guess again. You would be better off living in Europe.

Americas poverty is better than the average person in europe. But feel free to move to europe since you regard it so highly.

Really? Since when have you been there and know the living situation? Europeans do live a better life when it comes to healthcare and other living conditions. I don't need your endorsement to live there.Actually, I am thinking about it but I have reservations due to my family. You say ignorant things about that which you know so little of.

I know more about than you know I know.

Move. get the hell out of here.

too many damn stupid people in this country already. get the hell out. hurry up too. Europe is waiting.

You're one of the biggest ones.Know why? Because people like you who yell the loudest are always the most stupid. Let's take you for example. What would you do if you became permanently and totally disabled from a car wreck, let's say? You're the breadwinner in your illustrious big family and take care of all those people,right? Sure you may have disability but that only lasts for so long. Maybe two years then you have to go on SSDI and receive about a third of what you were making not to mention the medical bills you would accrue. You would be effed and lose everything and be living in poverty trying to support everybody. Car, house,furniture payments everything would go. At least where healthcare is universal the chances of bankrupting from a medical emergency would be less. It happens all the time.

I have so much ins I pay on I could pay another house payment on. ins o love me. I have aflack too lol

dreams, i was poor all my life. I gre up poor as dirt. I know what its like. and I know that people need to do for themselves. If something happens to me, my ins will pave the way for my family because I have made sure of that.

Im also a cancer survivor. and I lost a lot during that time. so please, dont think you know people. you dont.

I stopped believing someone was supposed to do something for me LONG LONG LONG time ago.

now get the hell out of the country. You hate the country, why stay here?

Dreamsglore wrote:

cool1 wrote:Im not rich---I live pay check to pay check and try to buy food---the food part is hard , because I dont get food stamps lol People who get food stamps are better off--then they can pay bills easier.

My husband is disabled -but still works -why because you cant live off food stamps alone

Oh he says sometimes he feels as though the working people get screwed-stop working -live off the government -like Obama would like to see us do!

haha then he says Wanda, we wouldnt make it if we do something like that heehee I told him no we wouldnt .

I have property --- I cant eat it.

Have you thought about getting a job,Wanda? Most people can't live off one paycheck nowdays.

Dreamsglore wrote:

Chrissy wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:Let's see 46 million people in poverty in the US and the other half w/ one foot on a banana peel. This is the land where if you work hard you will succeed.Right? Guess again. You would be better off living in Europe.

Americas poverty is better than the average person in europe. But feel free to move to europe since you regard it so highly.

Really? Since when have you been there and know the living situation? Europeans do live a better life when it comes to healthcare and other living conditions. I don't need your endorsement to live there.Actually, I am thinking about it but I have reservations due to my family. You say ignorant things about that which you know so little of.

cool1 wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:

cool1 wrote:Im not rich---I live pay check to pay check and try to buy food---the food part is hard , because I dont get food stamps lol People who get food stamps are better off--then they can pay bills easier.

My husband is disabled -but still works -why because you cant live off food stamps alone

Oh he says sometimes he feels as though the working people get screwed-stop working -live off the government -like Obama would like to see us do!

haha then he says Wanda, we wouldnt make it if we do something like that heehee I told him no we wouldnt .

I have property --- I cant eat it.

Have you thought about getting a job,Wanda? Most people can't live off one paycheck nowdays.

hee hee I do have a side job ---thanks for your concern

Gunz wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:

Chrissy wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:Let's see 46 million people in poverty in the US and the other half w/ one foot on a banana peel. This is the land where if you work hard you will succeed.Right? Guess again. You would be better off living in Europe.

Americas poverty is better than the average person in europe. But feel free to move to europe since you regard it so highly.

Really? Since when have you been there and know the living situation? Europeans do live a better life when it comes to healthcare and other living conditions. I don't need your endorsement to live there.Actually, I am thinking about it but I have reservations due to my family. You say ignorant things about that which you know so little of.

I'm not talking about Govt. flats. I'm talking about quality of life not your poor relatives.


Wrong.....again. And yes, I have been there and yes I have inlaws that have lived there in the government flats. You wouldnt like it.

2seaoat wrote:The Affordable Care Act is flawed. It is a starting point to get us to a single payer system Medicare for all. We need to work for a cost efficient Medicare for all system. We need to allow the government to negotiate drug prices. We need a national sales tax of 2 cents to pay for the program, plus continued payroll deductions. It is simply impossible to keep this broken and very expensive system afloat when we pay double the drug prices compared to Canada and Europe. The idea of thinking the President is stupid.....well that says more about the person making the observation than any semblance of reality.

If you want to copy a link to your message on a thread, right click the web address from the story you are reading and hit copy. Return to your message you are writing, and right click and paste the link into the message. People will be able to access the article. It is very difficult to post the story you reference when the entire internet is full of blogs whose only purpose is to slant every issue and make the President look stupid. I would not even know where to begin to post the article you reference.

2seaoat wrote:Hey seaoat. Not everything is about you.

I think it is. The example I gave is from what we actually pay. To criticize the President because health care has out paced inflation for thirty years and it is very expensive.......well that is silliness. I smile when you have wealth envy and make assumptions, but in the end Medicare for all is the most cost efficient system for health care provision. Also, if an industrial sector in America was pouring pollutants into a stream, or if junk food manufacturers pour poison into the stream of commerce, should we not penalize those polluters to pay for the clean up? Should a large part of our health care budget be for prevention, rather than clean up? There are simple answers. Medicare for all......TODAY!

Dreamsglore wrote:

Chrissy wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:Let's see 46 million people in poverty in the US and the other half w/ one foot on a banana peel. This is the land where if you work hard you will succeed.Right? Guess again. You would be better off living in Europe.

Americas poverty is better than the average person in europe. But feel free to move to europe since you regard it so highly.

Really? Since when have you been there and know the living situation? Europeans do live a better life when it comes to healthcare and other living conditions. I don't need your endorsement to live there.Actually, I am thinking about it but I have reservations due to my family. You say ignorant things about that which you know so little of.

PBulldog2 wrote:

2seaoat wrote:Hey seaoat. Not everything is about you.

I think it is. The example I gave is from what we actually pay. To criticize the President because health care has out paced inflation for thirty years and it is very expensive.......well that is silliness. I smile when you have wealth envy and make assumptions, but in the end Medicare for all is the most cost efficient system for health care provision. Also, if an industrial sector in America was pouring pollutants into a stream, or if junk food manufacturers pour poison into the stream of commerce, should we not penalize those polluters to pay for the clean up? Should a large part of our health care budget be for prevention, rather than clean up? There are simple answers. Medicare for all......TODAY!

Seaoat, you know I agree about Medicare for all. Chrissy, you and I will just have to agree to disagree on this one.

While we're talking about health care for the poor, as well as the twin subjects of increasing access to mental health care and gun control, take at look at this article:

http://www.nwfdailynews.com/local/bridgeway-center-to-close-all-inpatient-services-gallery-1.86868

FORT WALTON BEACH —Bridgeway Center’s Crisis Stabilization Unit will close its doors in March, affecting numerous agencies in Okaloosa and Walton counties.

The closing is expected no later than March 31.

Dreamsglore wrote:

Chrissy wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:Let's see 46 million people in poverty in the US and the other half w/ one foot on a banana peel. This is the land where if you work hard you will succeed.Right? Guess again. You would be better off living in Europe.

Americas poverty is better than the average person in europe. But feel free to move to europe since you regard it so highly.

Really? Since when have you been there and know the living situation? Europeans do live a better life when it comes to healthcare and other living conditions. I don't need your endorsement to live there.Actually, I am thinking about it but I have reservations due to my family. You say ignorant things about that which you know so little of.

Dreamsglore wrote:
You're one of the biggest ones.Know why? Because people like you who yell the loudest are always the most stupid. Let's take you for example. What would you do if you became permanently and totally disabled from a car wreck, let's say? You're the breadwinner in your illustrious big family and take care of all those people,right? Sure you may have disability but that only lasts for so long. Maybe two years then you have to go on SSDI and receive about a third of what you were making not to mention the medical bills you would accrue. You would be effed and lose everything and be living in poverty trying to support everybody. Car, house,furniture payments everything would go. At least where healthcare is universal the chances of bankrupting from a medical emergency would be less. It happens all the time.

Dreamsglore wrote:

I never said I know people at all but I know what insurance can and can't do and it won't be there forever. You should have enough sense to know that. I see it everyday.When the insurance runs out and it will-you're screwed. Having cancer and being totally and permanently disabled are two different things unless you're terminal.
And I don't hate the country. I dislike people who make silly laws and don't care about others. I hate the greed and the "I got mine" attitude. Don't worry about whether I stay here or not. It's not your concern. Worry about your attitude towards people who are in need. It has warped you into a bitter,jealous individual. For someone who allegedly has suffered so much you don't have much empathy for others.

Dreamsglore wrote:

What's a side job? Isn't that where you have a full time job and then one on the side? BTW, people who get foodstamps are not better off.They have a low income.That's why they get them.

Dreamsglore wrote:

cool1 wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:

cool1 wrote:Im not rich---I live pay check to pay check and try to buy food---the food part is hard , because I dont get food stamps lol People who get food stamps are better off--then they can pay bills easier.

My husband is disabled -but still works -why because you cant live off food stamps alone

Oh he says sometimes he feels as though the working people get screwed-stop working -live off the government -like Obama would like to see us do!

haha then he says Wanda, we wouldnt make it if we do something like that heehee I told him no we wouldnt .

I have property --- I cant eat it.

Have you thought about getting a job,Wanda? Most people can't live off one paycheck nowdays.

hee hee I do have a side job ---thanks for your concern

What's a side job? Isn't that where you have a full time job and then one on the side? BTW, people who get foodstamps are not better off.They have a low income.That's why they get them.

Dreamsglore wrote:

Gunz wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:

Chrissy wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:Let's see 46 million people in poverty in the US and the other half w/ one foot on a banana peel. This is the land where if you work hard you will succeed.Right? Guess again. You would be better off living in Europe.

Americas poverty is better than the average person in europe. But feel free to move to europe since you regard it so highly.

Really? Since when have you been there and know the living situation? Europeans do live a better life when it comes to healthcare and other living conditions. I don't need your endorsement to live there.Actually, I am thinking about it but I have reservations due to my family. You say ignorant things about that which you know so little of.

I'm not talking about Govt. flats. I'm talking about quality of life not your poor relatives.


Wrong.....again. And yes, I have been there and yes I have inlaws that have lived there in the government flats. You wouldnt like it.

PkrBum wrote:You don't have to explain yourself coolio... your statement concerning food stamps rings true for many too. The amount of people on them is a sad indicator of our condition imo. Food/hunger has always been the greatest driver of humans.

I love your avatar... are you a superhero?

2seaoat wrote:No Medicare for all is sub par medical care for all. And what i decide to eat or not eat is not any of your concern

Please tell me one person you have met who is receiving medicare who has told you they are getting sub par medical care. I call BS. Now in regard to what you want to eat. It is your choice in America. It is also America's choice to tax those items which are put in the stream of commerce which increases health care costs. If we give huge farm subsidies which subsidize beef production, and the big mac with 1400 calories is clogging your artery.....that is your choice, but we need to stop that farm subsidy and allow certain foods to be priced in the marketplace based on their true cost to society. This is done simply with sales tax. We tax alcohol and cigarettes. The punitive nature of the tax impacts the retail price of those things we believe should have consumption reduced. So I am not concerned about what you eat, but completely concerned about recouping revenue for your choices.

Damaged Eagle wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:

Chrissy wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:Let's see 46 million people in poverty in the US and the other half w/ one foot on a banana peel. This is the land where if you work hard you will succeed.Right? Guess again. You would be better off living in Europe.

Americas poverty is better than the average person in europe. But feel free to move to europe since you regard it so highly.

Really? Since when have you been there and know the living situation? Europeans do live a better life when it comes to healthcare and other living conditions. I don't need your endorsement to live there.Actually, I am thinking about it but I have reservations due to my family. You say ignorant things about that which you know so little of.

Bullshit! I spent over five years in Europe.

Where in your mind is this imaginary European land of better health care for all?

*****CHUCKLE*****

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuY44PHC0wI

Ironsights wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:
You're one of the biggest ones.Know why? Because people like you who yell the loudest are always the most stupid. Let's take you for example. What would you do if you became permanently and totally disabled from a car wreck, let's say? You're the breadwinner in your illustrious big family and take care of all those people,right? Sure you may have disability but that only lasts for so long. Maybe two years then you have to go on SSDI and receive about a third of what you were making not to mention the medical bills you would accrue. You would be effed and lose everything and be living in poverty trying to support everybody. Car, house,furniture payments everything would go. At least where healthcare is universal the chances of bankrupting from a medical emergency would be less. It happens all the time.

Well i know your not speaking to me but i will comment anyways.
She could go bankrupt and the easiest thing to do would be to go bankrupt. then she would keep her car, her house, and her furniture (provided its not rented). Sure it would ruin her credit for a few years but she can rebuild since she will have a long life.
And why can't her family help to pick up the slack, that what used to happen.

Ironsights wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:

I never said I know people at all but I know what insurance can and can't do and it won't be there forever. You should have enough sense to know that. I see it everyday.When the insurance runs out and it will-you're screwed. Having cancer and being totally and permanently disabled are two different things unless you're terminal.
And I don't hate the country. I dislike people who make silly laws and don't care about others. I hate the greed and the "I got mine" attitude. Don't worry about whether I stay here or not. It's not your concern. Worry about your attitude towards people who are in need. It has warped you into a bitter,jealous individual. For someone who allegedly has suffered so much you don't have much empathy for others.

Actually by not demanding the expansion of medicare and decrying the fact that Obama is not enormously increasing healthcare costs with his bill she is more caring about the people then someone who wants us to go to a system which is and has proven detrimental to people all over the world.
And as opposed to the "I got mine" attitude, you seem to have the "give me mine, I am entitled to it because i was born" attitude.

cool1 wrote:this is crazy---I am disabled myself but I at least try to get off my butt and do something---and yes I see it everyday -people do live better off food stamps why because most lie--when they get them.



My part time job as I call it --runs all year round except for very cold months-get up at 4 jump in dirt---for 3 or 4 hours a day---then prepare to sell-then I have people calling anytime of day -drive ups--and then having to go out late in the dirt wishing you had a light so you can see because you have a customer in the morning---I take that back -I have a full time job now that I think about it.

I like working for myself--that is my choice--I dont have to answer to no one ---and the best part of it all---the county considers my job as a yard sales---so my money does not go to Obama at all