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Obama admin knew millions could not keep their health insurance

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Nekochan

Nekochan

President Obama repeatedly assured Americans that after the Affordable Care Act became law, people who liked their health insurance would be able to keep it. But millions of Americans are getting or are about to get cancellation letters for their health insurance under Obamacare, say experts, and the Obama administration has known that for at least three years.
Four sources deeply involved in the Affordable Care Act tell NBC NEWS that 50 to 75 percent of the 14 million consumers who buy their insurance individually can expect to receive a “cancellation” letter or the equivalent over the next year because their existing policies don’t meet the standards mandated by the new health care law. One expert predicts that number could reach as high as 80 percent. And all say that many of those forced to buy pricier new policies will experience “sticker shock.”  None of this should come as a shock to the Obama administration. The law states that policies in effect as of March 23, 2010 will be “grandfathered,” meaning consumers can keep those policies even though they don’t meet requirements of the new health care law. But the Department of Health and Human Services then wrote regulations that narrowed that provision, by saying that if any part of a policy was significantly changed since that date -- the deductible, co-pay, or benefits, for example -- the policy would not be grandfathered.
Buried in Obamacare regulations from July 2010 is an estimate that because of normal turnover in the individual insurance market, “40 to 67 percent” of customers will not be able to keep their policy. And because many policies will have been changed since the key date, “the percentage of individual market policies losing grandfather status in a given year exceeds the 40 to 67 percent range.”  
That means the administration knew that more than 40 to 67 percent of those in the individual market would not be able to keep their plans, even if they liked them. 
Yet President Obama, who had promised in 2009, “if you like your health plan, you will be able to keep your health plan,” was still saying in 2012, “If [you] already have health insurance, you will keep your health insurance.”
“This says that when they made the promise, they knew half the people in this market outright couldn’t keep what they had and then they wrote the rules so that others couldn’t make it either,” said  Robert Laszewski, of Health Policy and Strategy Associates, a consultant who works for health industry firms. Laszewski estimates that 80 percent of those in the individual market will not be able to keep their current policies and will have to buy insurance that meets requirements of the new law, which generally requires a richer package of benefits than most policies today.
 
The White House does not dispute that many in the individual market will lose their current coverage, but argues they will be offered better coverage in its place, and that many will get tax subsidies that would offset any increased costs. “One of the main goals of the law is to ensure that people have insurance they can rely on – that doesn’t discriminate or charge more based on pre-existing conditions.  The consumers who are getting notices are in plans that do not provide all these protections – but in the vast majority of cases, those same insurers will automatically shift their enrollees to a plan that provides new consumer protections and, for nearly half of individual market enrollees, discounts through premium tax credits,” said White House spokesperson Jessica Santillo.
 
Individual insurance plans with low premiums often lack basic benefits, such as prescription drug coverage, or carry high deductibles and out-of-pocket costs. The Affordable Care Act requires all companies to offer more benefits, such as mental health care, and also bars companies from denying coverage for preexisting conditions.

Today, White House spokesman Jay Carney was asked about the president’s promise that consumers would be able to keep their health care. “What the president said and what everybody said all along is that there are going to be changes brought about by the Affordable Care Act to create minimum standards of coverage, minimum services that every insurance plan has to provide,” Carney said. “So it's true that there are existing healthcare plans on the individual market that don't meet those minimum standards and therefore do not qualify for the Affordable Care Act.”
Other experts said that most consumers in the individual market will not be able to keep their policies. Nancy Thompson, senior vice president of CBIZ Benefits, which helps companies manage their employee benefits, says numbers in this market are hard to pin down, but that data from states and carriers suggests “anywhere from 50 to 75 percent” of individual policy holders will get cancellation letters........ 

http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/28/21213547-obama-admin-knew-millions-could-not-keep-their-health-insurance?lite

cool1

cool1

Good Post --He lies that's all there is to it !Mad

Nekochan

Nekochan

And it's straight from NBC News.  Not Fox News or some right leaning website.  

Americans were lied to.

cool1

cool1

He doesn't care he lied -He only thinks of one person--Himself .

Guest


Guest

Well, don't get his insurance,Moron. Keep on being insuranceless so the taxpayers can pay for your care.

Nekochan

Nekochan

Dreamsglore wrote:Well, don't get his insurance,Moron. Keep on being insuranceless so the taxpayers can pay for your care.
You're on a roll tonight. 
People who have insurance that they're happy with are being dropped. Millions of people.  And now we hear that Obama knew about this 3 years ago.

2seaoat



I think this is fair criticism. However, public liability insurance on cars often require on renewal new policies dictated by government which changes coverage. The legislative process is dynamic, and the President's response that people could keep their coverage was misleading the public that the system would be static. It never is static, and it is always dynamic. In a dynamic system policies were going to be changed, and it is simply a matter of time. Cancellations within a year should have been discussed. Although Bob has given pretty convincing testimony as to what these existing policies represent.

cool1

cool1

Dreamsglore wrote:Well, don't get his insurance,Moron. Keep on being insuranceless so the taxpayers can pay for your care.
You don't pay for me moron ! And no im not taking his lousy insurance.

Nekochan

Nekochan

The thing is, none of us know what's going to happen over the next couple of years.  Even the majority of Americans who have insurance through their employers--we don't know what's going to happen with these policies, either. There is just a lot of uncertainty right now.  

I saw on the news that the Obama admin is promising to have the computer system fixed by the end of November.  I can imagine that people are going to love getting cancellation notices from their insurance companies going into the holiday season and they will love having to go online on a sucky system to find a plan to sign up for that's probably going to cost them more,  with a higher deductible.   

We needed reform, but it should have been bi-partisan and Congress should have taken the time to formulate a plan that would help those who need insurance (for example, those with pre-existing conditions) without hurting those who have plans that have worked for them.  Remember, most of Congress, even those who voted for this monstrosity, didn't even know what the hell they were voting for.   Many people on this forum who know a LOT more than I do about the health care system have had a lot of ideas about how it should have been reformed.  I bet a group of our members--those who have worked in the health care industry --could have worked together to come up with a better plan than this!

Merry Christmas, Happy New Year from Obamacare!  Be safe out there because your new deductible is HIGH!

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

2seaoat wrote: Although Bob has given pretty convincing testimony as to what these existing policies represent.
So far I have received no notice that my insurance policy will be terminated.
I guess that means a policy which pays nothing towards doctor visits and has an 85% copay for surgery must meet the government requirements.  lol

Nekochan

Nekochan

Bob wrote:
2seaoat wrote: Although Bob has given pretty convincing testimony as to what these existing policies represent.
So far I have received no notice that my insurance policy will be terminated.
I guess that means a policy which pays nothing towards doctor visits and has an 85% copay for surgery must meet the government requirements.  lol
LOL.  
You qualify for Medicare early next year?

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

Nekochan wrote: 
You qualify for Medicare early next year?
Forget 1976 (the bicentennial of the country),  1959 (the quadricenntenial of the city),  1/1/2000 ( the beginning of the millenium) and all that other shit.

The greatest day in all history and the biggest celebrating I will ever do in my life will occur Feb 1,  2013.

On that day I'm buying EVERYBODY a drink!!



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Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

That is if I have any money left over after the "greatest system of health care in the world" has finished billing me. And that may run through Feb 1st for all I know.

dumpcare



Bob wrote:
2seaoat wrote: Although Bob has given pretty convincing testimony as to what these existing policies represent.
So far I have received no notice that my insurance policy will be terminated.
I guess that means a policy which pays nothing towards doctor visits and has an 85% copay for surgery must meet the government requirements.  lol
And here you have been praying for it to cancel, the irony. I can't believe it won't be cancelled.

BTW have had a lot of call's from 65 and over about their policy's being cancelled because of these news reports. Nope not true for senior's unless a Medicare Advantage plan pulls out of your area and then you just change to another.

bizguy



Bob wrote:
Nekochan wrote: 
You qualify for Medicare early next year?
Forget 1976 (the bicentennial of the country),  1959 (the quadricenntenial of the city),  1/1/2000 ( the beginning of the millenium) and all that other shit.

The greatest day in all history and the biggest celebrating I will ever do in my life will occur Feb 1,  2013.

On that day I'm buying EVERYBODY a drink!!
Did I miss the free drink?

2seaoat



He will be on a beach in Tahiti when he offers us the drink. Airfare is on us.

Joanimaroni

Joanimaroni

bizguy wrote:
Bob wrote:
Nekochan wrote: 
You qualify for Medicare early next year?
Forget 1976 (the bicentennial of the country),  1959 (the quadricenntenial of the city),  1/1/2000 ( the beginning of the millenium) and all that other shit.

The greatest day in all history and the biggest celebrating I will ever do in my life will occur Feb 1,  2013.

On that day I'm buying EVERYBODY a drink!!
Did I miss the free drink?
No, I hope we don't have to go to the Azalea.

Bob, I like martinis, Corona with lime and salt, and I love to do car bombs.

Sal

Sal

People would've been able to keep their same plans if the insurance companies did not make the decision to change them.

Obamacare only sets minimum standards.

It does not control whether insurance companies update grandfathered plans.

These plans were not forced to change due to Obamacare.

The insurance companies just opted to discontinue them.

To say this report is misleading would be generous.

Nekochan

Nekochan

The standards set were very stringent. 
The point is--Obama knew about this 3 years ago but told Americans that they could keep their insurance.  He didn't say--you can keep your insurance as long as your plan doesn't change.  He said that people could keep their insurance.  Period.

2seaoat



I think he certainly should have addressed the migration of substandard policies to the minimum standards. It will be interesting what percentage we are talking about. Most employer plans are simply not going to change. However, what actual percentage of folks are we talking about?

Sal

Sal

It's clear that Obama didn't anticipate just how much Americans love their shitty insurance plans that cover practically nothing, with huge deductibles, because, "Dammit, it's cheap!".

It's always fun until someone gets hurt.

Nekochan

Nekochan

Sal wrote:It's clear that Obama didn't anticipate just how much Americans love their shitty insurance plans that cover practically nothing, with huge deductibles, because, "Dammit, it's cheap!".

It's always fun until someone gets hurt.
Sal, it has nothing to do with whether Obama thought people would want to switch.   It was a still big ole lie!

There are a lot of people who were happy with their plans and don't necessarily want or need something like pregnancy covered.

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Guest


Guest

Nekochan wrote:The standards set were very stringent. 
The point is--Obama knew about this 3 years ago but told Americans that they could keep their insurance.  He didn't say--you can keep your insurance as long as your plan doesn't change.  He said that people could keep their insurance.  Period.
Get a grip, please. Politicians lie. All you frighty righties are wetting and crapping yourselves because a politician lied. Let us count all the lies Republican politicians have been spewing for the last five years that have not come true. Hell, Cruz (R)and Rubio (R) most likely told some lies about Obamacare today!
Please control yourselves. You, Mr. Markle, pee-dog/KarlRove are all about to have a seizure because a politician lied. Geez.
Thanks for taking your Xanax today.

Guest


Guest

Sal wrote:It's clear that Obama didn't anticipate just how much Americans love their shitty insurance plans that cover practically nothing, with huge deductibles, because, "Dammit, it's cheap!".

It's always fun until someone gets hurt.
Bob found that out.

Sal

Sal

Nekochan wrote:
Sal wrote:It's clear that Obama didn't anticipate just how much Americans love their shitty insurance plans that cover practically nothing, with huge deductibles, because, "Dammit, it's cheap!".

It's always fun until someone gets hurt.
Sal, it has nothing to do with whether Obama thought people would want to switch.   It was a still big ole lie!

There are a lot of people who were happy with their plans and don't necessarily want or need something like pregnancy covered.
Well all insurance covers things you don't need until you need it.

But, you're right, of course.

He should of added a qualifier like, “If your insurance doesn’t cover basic essentials like hospitalization, we’ll help you get on a plan that does while still being affordable.”

Then y'all would have to find something else to bitch about.

I'm just glad you're content to talk about software glitches and the President's veracity, instead of the contents of the law.

I think we're making progress.

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