Are we heading into a new mini ice age?

PkrBum wrote:Just believe it because of your anecdotal experience last week and it fits an agenda you already believe in and endorse.

boards of FL wrote:

PkrBum wrote:Just believe it because of your anecdotal experience last week and it fits an agenda you already believe in and endorse.

Well there's the anecdotal experience and then there's also the consensus of virtually every scientific community on the planet. The latter is the big one, I think.

PkrBum wrote:It's certainly easier than trying to digest the working science. I see flaws and assumptions and premature conclusions.

TEOTWAWKI wrote:The forces which have been running on the earth for thousands of years just fine with one volcano spewing tons more gases into the air than mankind as ever made.

boards of FL wrote:

TEOTWAWKI wrote:The forces which have been running on the earth for thousands of years just fine with one volcano spewing tons more gases into the air than mankind as ever made.

PkrBum, is TEO correct here? Didn't you used to make this same blunder?

TEOTWAWKI wrote:

boards of FL wrote:

TEOTWAWKI wrote:The forces which have been running on the earth for thousands of years just fine with one volcano spewing tons more gases into the air than mankind as ever made.

PkrBum, is TEO correct here? Didn't you used to make this same blunder?

Blunder my arse....whatever happens the earth will adapt and correct...even Chernobyl has corrected and the wildlife has adapted and now thrives...This is just a big money making scheme by the liberal idiots that they can't quite get tuned up and running. Say your dog farts too much give me $5.00.

boards of FL wrote:

TEOTWAWKI wrote:

boards of FL wrote:

TEOTWAWKI wrote:The forces which have been running on the earth for thousands of years just fine with one volcano spewing tons more gases into the air than mankind as ever made.

PkrBum, is TEO correct here? Didn't you used to make this same blunder?

Blunder my arse....whatever happens the earth will adapt and correct...even Chernobyl has corrected and the wildlife has adapted and now thrives...This is just a big money making scheme by the liberal idiots that they can't quite get tuned up and running. Say your dog farts too much give me $5.00.

All of the worlds volcanoes combined emit roughly 200 million tons of carbon dioxide annually.


Well damn that should be good for my garden....where are you getting your made up data ?

Our automotive and industrial sectors emit 24 billion tons of carbon dioxide annually.

To put this another way, one year's worth of emission from automotive and industrial activities emits the same level of CO2 as 120 years worth of all of the world's volcanoes.

PkrBum wrote:http://www.forbes.com/sites/johnmcquaid/2013/01/09/the-link-between-global-warming-sea-levels-and-volcanoes/?view=pc

This is fascinating. And it illustrates an emerging law of the anthropocene: that the chain of manmade alterations to the environment extend far beyond what you think. Not just to the biosphere (as once thought), or to broad physical changes to the atmosphere, oceans, and climate (as we now know), but to the geology of the planet itself. Geological forces are, of course, massive – and for most of us largely hidden from view until something bad happens. But they are not separate from activity on the earth’s surface, or the atmosphere. Going forward, our radical reshaping of the face of the planet is going to have more unintended consequences.

TEOTWAWKI wrote:Well damn that should be good for my garden....where are you getting your made up data ?

boards of FL wrote:
All of the worlds volcanoes combined emit roughly 200 million tons of carbon dioxide annually.

Our automotive and industrial sectors emit 24 billion tons of carbon dioxide annually.

To put this another way, one year's worth of emission from automotive and industrial activities emits the same level of CO2 as 120 years worth of all of the world's volcanoes.

PkrBum wrote:"an emerging law" appears to me to be taking new information/ideas/variables into account. Is it consensus?

PkrBum wrote:"an emerging law" appears to me to be taking new information/ideas/variables into account. Is it consensus?

TEOTWAWKI wrote:

Blunder my arse....whatever happens the earth will adapt and correct...even Chernobyl has corrected and the wildlife has adapted and now thrives...

Sal wrote:

TEOTWAWKI wrote:

Blunder my arse....whatever happens the earth will adapt and correct...even Chernobyl has corrected and the wildlife has adapted and now thrives...

That's because there's no HUMANS there, genius.

Being in the proximity of humans is the greatest danger to wildlife.

Much more so than radioactive contamination.

Chrissy wrote:I realize some want to make this a is global warming a man made thing or not, and this simply is not that topic.

I cant speak for the others, but I do think most would agree there IS climate change. The difference is if man did it and if taxes can help us. I dont buy that and I dont think some others do either.

But for the sake of the little ice age. It really doesnt matter if you think man is doing it or not. The evidence is overwhelming that it is and will occur. This evidence is being suppresed by politics though.

We can find a common ground perhaps? I'll agree to let you think man is the cause if you look at the data? I do not agree to be taxed though, so lets be clear.
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A Chilling Possibility
By disturbing a massive ocean current, melting Arctic sea ice might trigger colder weather in Europe and North America.



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March 5, 2004: Global warming could plunge North America and Western Europe into a deep freeze, possibly within only a few decades.

That's the paradoxical scenario gaining credibility among many climate scientists. The thawing of sea ice covering the Arctic could disturb or even halt large currents in the Atlantic Ocean. Without the vast heat that these ocean currents deliver--comparable to the power generation of a million nuclear power plants--Europe's average temperature would likely drop 5 to 10°C (9 to 18°F), and parts of eastern North America would be chilled somewhat less. Such a dip in temperature would be similar to global average temperatures toward the end of the last ice age roughly 20,000 years ago.

http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2004/05mar_arctic/

Once considered incredible, the notion that climate can change rapidly is becoming respectable. In a 2003 report, Robert Gagosian cites "rapidly advancing evidence [from, e.g., tree rings and ice cores] that Earth's climate has shifted abruptly and dramatically in the past." For example, as the world warmed at the end of the last ice age about 13,000 years ago, melting ice sheets appear to have triggered a sudden halt in the Conveyor, throwing the world back into a 1,300 year period of ice-age-like conditions called the "Younger Dryas."

Will it happen again? Researchers are scrambling to find out.

boards of FL wrote:

PkrBum wrote:
Sure...

OK. Do you also agree that there is alot more of that stuff in the air today than there was 50 or more years ago?