What is the real reason McCain et al are crazy over Susan Rice being Secretary of State?

nochain wrote:

W_T_M wrote:That's even more disappointing. A (supposed) retired O5 acting like a whiny little schoolgirl on a public forum. Your leadership skills are obviously quite limited. The Peter Principle strikes yet again.

No wonder the DOD is going to hell in a hand-basket.

get the frisbee, boi...

in edit...he smart guy. if you bothered to notice (details, details, details) I was not here when someone else gave you a negative.

Nope....not very sharp.

Poor child, you must have been bullied as a young child and never recovered from your low self-esteem. Your pitiful attempts at attracting attention through your constant negative attacks is telling. You should seek immediate mental health counseling.

nochain wrote:

W_T_M wrote:

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Thanx again for proving my point. You are too childish to have ever been accepted as a leader of men, especially an O5. You think military bearing is something in a wheel assembly.

Although I will give you props for obfuscation, outright lies, and your pitiful playground tactics.

Have you tried stomping your feet and holding your breath...?


get the frisbee, boi...

W_T_M wrote:

nochain wrote:

W_T_M wrote:We

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Any serious poster with walking around smarts knows I'm definitely not stupid.

S.?

Ah yes, the little poser graces us with more stupidity. Judging strictly by your incredibly large negative rating I would have to say your bloviating drivel has not been considered anything other than "stupid" by quite a few folks. But since you are a legend in your own mind you apparently don't get it. BTW, I think you forgot to give me another "negative" on your last rant. You simple minded children sure are easily amused.

knothead wrote:For newswatcher: There are questions from this incident and I am confident the truth will come out . . . . we deserve answers so we agree on that. Your claim that Democrats are crying foul is based on historical evidence that it seems extremely doubtful that any substantive information should derail the nomination Of Ambassador Rice. Condi Rice was nominated and appointed after extremely questionable issues arose during her confirmation hearing. This,while extremely unfortunate, does not rise to the level of denying a sitting President his choice for Secy. of State. To me, it is politics and both McCain and Collins campaigned for Scott Brown so it is my view that the GOP pitbulls are leading the charge in hopes of bringing in John Kerry to make that MA seat open for Scott Brown It is politics . . . . pure and simple.

othershoe1030 wrote:What about the proxy war over Susan Rice?

Now I'm beginning to think fox and sons is running this distraction 24/7 to keep people from worrying about the budget and tax problems that are real things that need to be addressed.

It is just the R's creating their own universe again and we know how reality has a way of horning in on them, see last election.

W_T_M wrote:

Hey fool....I think you meant "definitely".

Ya wanna school me, try harder.

You're playing defence in a game you cannot win. Shucky durn, you just threw your hail mary pass when you played the "seek mental health" card.


get the frisbee, boi...

newswatcher wrote:

othershoe1030 wrote:What about the proxy war over Susan Rice?

Now I'm beginning to think fox and sons is running this distraction 24/7 to keep people from worrying about the budget and tax problems that are real things that need to be addressed.

It is just the R's creating their own universe again and we know how reality has a way of horning in on them, see last election.

Uh..Hum...'other'...The Senate is in control of the democrats...Democrats are indicating they will drive over the 'fiscal cliff'...The Senate has done nothing for four years and now it's that this is all a media outlet diversion?...Again...four years under Democrat leadership and the 'real things that need to be addressed' have been ignored under the lack of leadership of Sen Reid and the Democrats...The House has at least sent several pieces of legislation to the Senate (agree or disagree with the bills) only to have them declared "DOA"....with NO negotiations...compromises...or even at least attempting to move forward on any areas where agreements have have been reached...this wasn't the republicans...FOX News...this was controlled by Democrats...Perhaps not even all democrats but their leadership...Now had there been some negotiations and positions of both sides been made clear...then yes it would be correct to point out the unwillingness of one side or the other not to address the problems...but the speaking or voting wasn't even allowed....

knothead wrote:For newswatcher: There are questions from this incident and I am confident the truth will come out . . . . we deserve answers so we agree on that. Your claim that Democrats are crying foul is based on historical evidence that it seems extremely doubtful that any substantive information should derail the nomination Of Ambassador Rice. Condi Rice was nominated and appointed after extremely questionable issues arose during her confirmation hearing. This,while extremely unfortunate, does not rise to the level of denying a sitting President his choice for Secy. of State. To me, it is politics and both McCain and Collins campaigned for Scott Brown so it is my view that the GOP pitbulls are leading the charge in hopes of bringing in John Kerry to make that MA seat open for Scott Brown It is politics . . . . pure and simple.

newswatcher wrote:

knothead wrote:For newswatcher: There are questions from this incident and I am confident the truth will come out . . . . we deserve answers so we agree on that. Your claim that Democrats are crying foul is based on historical evidence that it seems extremely doubtful that any substantive information should derail the nomination Of Ambassador Rice. Condi Rice was nominated and appointed after extremely questionable issues arose during her confirmation hearing. This,while extremely unfortunate, does not rise to the level of denying a sitting President his choice for Secy. of State. To me, it is politics and both McCain and Collins campaigned for Scott Brown so it is my view that the GOP pitbulls are leading the charge in hopes of bringing in John Kerry to make that MA seat open for Scott Brown It is politics . . . . pure and simple.

My point was made in direct disagreement with the original post that claimed that McCain/Graham/Republicans had this entire scenerio designed and manipulated from the very beginning...the original post even quoted that brilliant MSNBC 'journalist?' Maddow responsible for floating this nonesense...The UN Ambassador chose to parrot an 'untruth' much like several members of this administration up to and including the cowh...The Sec of State has been silent and she's supposed to be in charge and yet she didn't recognize this for what it was?...According to the murdered Seals father...Hillary whispered that the internet fool responsible for this movie would be dealt with...This happened when the bodies were being returned and this was supposed to indicate that justice would be done?...As far as the politics that may be occurring....OF COURSE!...Has there ever been a circumstance that one party didn't attempt to one up the other?...There's never been a denial of politics taking place...but to attempt to make the arguement the the GOP somehow manipulated the incompetence of this administration for political gain is ridiculous...Amb Rice and others were more concerned with calling this what it was and being politically correct in their minds....Yet...this administration has the direct responsibility and accountability for NOT increasing security before when warned and certainly to allow the Embassy to be over run and the murders without any military assistance to those that attempted to defend....is a disgrace and this administration doesn't even have the decency or are too arrogant to feel they need to offer an explanation for their incompetence...Amb Rice was a part of this cover-up and untruthfulness and not only shouldn't she be allowed to now become the sec of state she shouldn't even be allowed to continue as the Amb of the UN....

nochain wrote:

W_T_M wrote:

Hey fool....I think you meant "definitely".

Ya wanna school me, try harder.

You're playing defence in a game you cannot win. Shucky durn, you just threw your hail mary pass when you played the "seek mental health" card.


get the frisbee, boi...

Child, child, child. When you stoop so low as to correct spelling on an informal forum at least make more than your usual pitiful effort to ensure your own words are spelled correctly. "Schooling" you would be a wasted effort. I see you have decorated your trailer for Christmas. Good job.

othershoe1030 wrote:

newswatcher wrote:

knothead wrote:For newswatcher: There are questions from this incident and I am confident the truth will come out . . . . we deserve answers so we agree on that. Your claim that Democrats are crying foul is based on historical evidence that it seems extremely doubtful that any substantive information should derail the nomination Of Ambassador Rice. Condi Rice was nominated and appointed after extremely questionable issues arose during her confirmation hearing. This,while extremely unfortunate, does not rise to the level of denying a sitting President his choice for Secy. of State. To me, it is politics and both McCain and Collins campaigned for Scott Brown so it is my view that the GOP pitbulls are leading the charge in hopes of bringing in John Kerry to make that MA seat open for Scott Brown It is politics . . . . pure and simple.

My point was made in direct disagreement with the original post that claimed that McCain/Graham/Republicans had this entire scenerio designed and manipulated from the very beginning...the original post even quoted that brilliant MSNBC 'journalist?' Maddow responsible for floating this nonesense...The UN Ambassador chose to parrot an 'untruth' much like several members of this administration up to and including the cowh...The Sec of State has been silent and she's supposed to be in charge and yet she didn't recognize this for what it was?...According to the murdered Seals father...Hillary whispered that the internet fool responsible for this movie would be dealt with...This happened when the bodies were being returned and this was supposed to indicate that justice would be done?...As far as the politics that may be occurring....OF COURSE!...Has there ever been a circumstance that one party didn't attempt to one up the other?...There's never been a denial of politics taking place...but to attempt to make the arguement the the GOP somehow manipulated the incompetence of this administration for political gain is ridiculous...Amb Rice and others were more concerned with calling this what it was and being politically correct in their minds....Yet...this administration has the direct responsibility and accountability for NOT increasing security before when warned and certainly to allow the Embassy to be over run and the murders without any military assistance to those that attempted to defend....is a disgrace and this administration doesn't even have the decency or are too arrogant to feel they need to offer an explanation for their incompetence...Amb Rice was a part of this cover-up and untruthfulness and not only shouldn't she be allowed to now become the sec of state she shouldn't even be allowed to continue as the Amb of the UN....

I agree with much of what you've said here. However, I question your comment about post #1 in this thread claiming that McCain and all had designed and manipulated [this scenario] from the very beginning. Which part of this are you referring to, the whining at interviews or the attack on the consulate?
There's also the possibility that the first few complaints by McCain were genuine and then developed into a way of placing John Kerry at the top of the nominating list for the next Secretary of State.

nochain wrote:

W_T_M wrote:

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Both spellings of defence/defense are acceptable in football terminology....which I was using.

newswatcher wrote:

knothead wrote:For newswatcher: There are questions from this incident and I am confident the truth will come out . . . . we deserve answers so we agree on that. Your claim that Democrats are crying foul is based on historical evidence that it seems extremely doubtful that any substantive information should derail the nomination Of Ambassador Rice. Condi Rice was nominated and appointed after extremely questionable issues arose during her confirmation hearing. This,while extremely unfortunate, does not rise to the level of denying a sitting President his choice for Secy. of State. To me, it is politics and both McCain and Collins campaigned for Scott Brown so it is my view that the GOP pitbulls are leading the charge in hopes of bringing in John Kerry to make that MA seat open for Scott Brown It is politics . . . . pure and simple.

My point was made in direct disagreement with the original post that claimed that McCain/Graham/Republicans had this entire scenerio designed and manipulated from the very beginning...the original post even quoted that brilliant MSNBC 'journalist?' Maddow responsible for floating this nonesense...The UN Ambassador chose to parrot an 'untruth' much like several members of this administration up to and including the cowh...The Sec of State has been silent and she's supposed to be in charge and yet she didn't recognize this for what it was?...According to the murdered Seals father...Hillary whispered that the internet fool responsible for this movie would be dealt with...This happened when the bodies were being returned and this was supposed to indicate that justice would be done?...As far as the politics that may be occurring....OF COURSE!...Has there ever been a circumstance that one party didn't attempt to one up the other?...There's never been a denial of politics taking place...but to attempt to make the arguement the the GOP somehow manipulated the incompetence of this administration for political gain is ridiculous...Amb Rice and others were more concerned with calling this what it was and being politically correct in their minds....Yet...this administration has the direct responsibility and accountability for NOT increasing security before when warned and certainly to allow the Embassy to be over run and the murders without any military assistance to those that attempted to defend....is a disgrace and this administration doesn't even have the decency or are too arrogant to feel they need to offer an explanation for their incompetence...Amb Rice was a part of this cover-up and untruthfulness and not only shouldn't she be allowed to now become the sec of state she shouldn't even be allowed to continue as the Amb of the UN....

nochain wrote:Regardless of the political antics being used to derail a Rice nomination the simple fact is she was very ineffective at the U.N. Why would anyone believe she could do better as SecState? Her Benghazi lies are not as important as the fact she is not qualified for the position, particularly with the coming firestorm in the Middle East and possibly North Korea.

knothead wrote:

newswatcher wrote:

knothead wrote:For newswatcher: There are questions from this incident and I am confident the truth will come out . . . . we deserve answers so we agree on that. Your claim that Democrats are crying foul is based on historical evidence that it seems extremely doubtful that any substantive information should derail the nomination Of Ambassador Rice. Condi Rice was nominated and appointed after extremely questionable issues arose during her confirmation hearing. This,while extremely unfortunate, does not rise to the level of denying a sitting President his choice for Secy. of State. To me, it is politics and both McCain and Collins campaigned for Scott Brown so it is my view that the GOP pitbulls are leading the charge in hopes of bringing in John Kerry to make that MA seat open for Scott Brown It is politics . . . . pure and simple.

My point was made in direct disagreement with the original post that claimed that McCain/Graham/Republicans had this entire scenerio designed and manipulated from the very beginning...the original post even quoted that brilliant MSNBC 'journalist?' Maddow responsible for floating this nonesense...The UN Ambassador chose to parrot an 'untruth' much like several members of this administration up to and including the cowh...The Sec of State has been silent and she's supposed to be in charge and yet she didn't recognize this for what it was?...According to the murdered Seals father...Hillary whispered that the internet fool responsible for this movie would be dealt with...This happened when the bodies were being returned and this was supposed to indicate that justice would be done?...As far as the politics that may be occurring....OF COURSE!...Has there ever been a circumstance that one party didn't attempt to one up the other?...There's never been a denial of politics taking place...but to attempt to make the arguement the the GOP somehow manipulated the incompetence of this administration for political gain is ridiculous...Amb Rice and others were more concerned with calling this what it was and being politically correct in their minds....Yet...this administration has the direct responsibility and accountability for NOT increasing security before when warned and certainly to allow the Embassy to be over run and the murders without any military assistance to those that attempted to defend....is a disgrace and this administration doesn't even have the decency or are too arrogant to feel they need to offer an explanation for their incompetence...Amb Rice was a part of this cover-up and untruthfulness and not only shouldn't she be allowed to now become the sec of state she shouldn't even be allowed to continue as the Amb of the UN....

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You are recklessly throwing around accusations when you know very little factually . . . . . you are harping on a 'cover-up' that you or I have no frigging clue what really happened. I think posters like yourself need to learn how to say "I think", "In my opinion . . . ." "I don't believe . . .", etc., you get the idea instead of sounding like s bobble head on Faux News who are also reckless with accusations. This is pure politics . . . . nothing more (in my opinion)!

W_T_M wrote:

nochain wrote:

W_T_M wrote:

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Both spellings of defence/defense are acceptable in football terminology....which I was using.

Oh I see. Too funny. Pitiful, weak, and an obvious lie but funny just the same.

W_T_M wrote:

nochain wrote:

W_T_M wrote:

Oh I see. Too funny. Pitiful, weak, and an obvious lie but funny just the same.

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If you could not see the football analogy, you are seriously dense. Google it idiot. Then ESAD.

Done.

othershoe1030 wrote:I think it is kind of crazy for anyone to be concerned about the dangers of a cover up since in this situation no cover up is possible. We have video and updates re the attack. No misguided military decisions are going to be made on the basis of statements made by S. Rice on morning talk shows.

This is in stark contrast to the string of misstatements and misrepresentations about everything from yellow cake imports from Niger to aluminum tubes that got us in to two wars needlessly. The to a morning talk show statement pales in comparison.
This is chicken feed compared to what the country was lead into by the Bush administration. That set up was an orchestrated plot to get us into a war we should never embarked on.

No one is saying we should DO anything in response to what S. Rice said. This is a tempest in a tea pot. History will show what the R's have up their sleeve in making such a fit over her interview.

othershoe1030 wrote:I think it is kind of crazy for anyone to be concerned about the dangers of a cover up since in this situation no cover up is possible. We have video and updates re the attack. No misguided military decisions are going to be made on the basis of statements made by S. Rice on morning talk shows.

This is in stark contrast to the string of misstatements and misrepresentations about everything from yellow cake imports from Niger to aluminum tubes that got us in to two wars needlessly. The to a morning talk show statement pales in comparison.
This is chicken feed compared to what the country was lead into by the Bush administration. That set up was an orchestrated plot to get us into a war we should never embarked on.

No one is saying we should DO anything in response to what S. Rice said. This is a tempest in a tea pot. History will show what the R's have up their sleeve in making such a fit over her interview.

nochain wrote:

othershoe1030 wrote:I think it is kind of crazy for anyone to be concerned about the dangers of a cover up since in this situation no cover up is possible. We have video and updates re the attack. No misguided military decisions are going to be made on the basis of statements made by S. Rice on morning talk shows.

This is in stark contrast to the string of misstatements and misrepresentations about everything from yellow cake imports from Niger to aluminum tubes that got us in to two wars needlessly. The to a morning talk show statement pales in comparison.
This is chicken feed compared to what the country was lead into by the Bush administration. That set up was an orchestrated plot to get us into a war we should never embarked on.

No one is saying we should DO anything in response to what S. Rice said. This is a tempest in a tea pot. History will show what the R's have up their sleeve in making such a fit over her interview.

Bush again eh? It never ends. Tell us, if you can, what makes Rice qualified to be Secretary of State. Surely it can't be her dismal record at the U.N. although I am sure other nations would prefer her in negotiations given her many weaknesses. Hillary will be a tough act to follow and Rice is not the right pick.

newswatcher wrote:

knothead wrote:

newswatcher wrote:

knothead wrote:For newswatcher: There are questions from this incident and I am confident the truth will come out . . . . we deserve answers so we agree on that. Your claim that Democrats are crying foul is based on historical evidence that it seems extremely doubtful that any substantive information should derail the nomination Of Ambassador Rice. Condi Rice was nominated and appointed after extremely questionable issues arose during her confirmation hearing. This,while extremely unfortunate, does not rise to the level of denying a sitting President his choice for Secy. of State. To me, it is politics and both McCain and Collins campaigned for Scott Brown so it is my view that the GOP pitbulls are leading the charge in hopes of bringing in John Kerry to make that MA seat open for Scott Brown It is politics . . . . pure and simple.

My point was made in direct disagreement with the original post that claimed that McCain/Graham/Republicans had this entire scenerio designed and manipulated from the very beginning...the original post even quoted that brilliant MSNBC 'journalist?' Maddow responsible for floating this nonesense...The UN Ambassador chose to parrot an 'untruth' much like several members of this administration up to and including the cowh...The Sec of State has been silent and she's supposed to be in charge and yet she didn't recognize this for what it was?...According to the murdered Seals father...Hillary whispered that the internet fool responsible for this movie would be dealt with...This happened when the bodies were being returned and this was supposed to indicate that justice would be done?...As far as the politics that may be occurring....OF COURSE!...Has there ever been a circumstance that one party didn't attempt to one up the other?...There's never been a denial of politics taking place...but to attempt to make the arguement the the GOP somehow manipulated the incompetence of this administration for political gain is ridiculous...Amb Rice and others were more concerned with calling this what it was and being politically correct in their minds....Yet...this administration has the direct responsibility and accountability for NOT increasing security before when warned and certainly to allow the Embassy to be over run and the murders without any military assistance to those that attempted to defend....is a disgrace and this administration doesn't even have the decency or are too arrogant to feel they need to offer an explanation for their incompetence...Amb Rice was a part of this cover-up and untruthfulness and not only shouldn't she be allowed to now become the sec of state she shouldn't even be allowed to continue as the Amb of the UN....

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You are recklessly throwing around accusations when you know very little factually . . . . . you are harping on a 'cover-up' that you or I have no frigging clue what really happened. I think posters like yourself need to learn how to say "I think", "In my opinion . . . ." "I don't believe . . .", etc., you get the idea instead of sounding like s bobble head on Faux News who are also reckless with accusations. This is pure politics . . . . nothing more (in my opinion)!

Not true at all....the facts are the facts...this was recognized as a terrorist operation within 24 hours of the attack/murders and the splinter group responsible identified....yet follow what took place following the initial 24 hours...Furthermore it's not just the 'bobble heads' on FOX News...there are democrats that want answers too and had called the handling of the administration as 'misleading'...One that spoke out was Sen Feinstein...Pure politics?...Tell that to the families of the four murdered Americans...