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We now have the first impeachable offense in place....who was that candidate for federal office?

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polecat

polecat

All cons fall in the end, and there are always marks, victims, and collateral damage left holding the fecal end of the stick.”

Tuesday, August 21, 2018, will stand as one of the more terrible days in a catalog of terrible days in the era of this terrible president. All cons fall in the end, and there are always marks, victims, and collateral damage left holding the fecal end of the stick. Yesterday, Paul Manafort and Michael Cohen felt the cruel, hot pain of reality’s hardest bitch slap; both men are going to prison either because of crimes in service to Donald Trump or because their association with him drew their malfeasance into the baleful glare of the law

Rick Wilson
https://www.thedailybeast.com/manafort-cohen-omarosa-this-is-how-it-always-ends-for-trumps-scuzzy-friends

RealLindaL



zsomething wrote:
ConservaLady wrote:This is a deep-state conspiracy to remove a fairly and democratically elected President.

You could just type "I'm sticking my fingers in my ears and yelling 'LA LA LA LA LA!'" and save yourself a lot of typing time.

You're either so delusional you should be taking meds for it, or you're a doing a parody of a Christian-conservative for comedic effect.   Either way, you are getting laughs!  Very Happy


cheers    cheers    cheers    cheers

Vikingwoman



One lone juror kept the rest from convicting on all 18 counts-hmmm?

ConservaLady

ConservaLady

A private and perfectly legal non-disclosure settlement regarding a personal dispute paid with one's personal funds is a criminal violation of campaign finance laws?  Says who?  One prosecutor and a bunch of loony liberal media propagandists and opposition party politicians?

So what the looney liberals and deep state conspirators are saying, is that the hush money legally should have been paid for by properly donated and regulated campaign funds?

Put aside for the moment what you think about the acts for which the hush money was being paid. And put aside for the moment your anguish that Donald Trump was able to legitimately depose Queen Hillary before her coronation. It's not illegal to have an affair or to pay the woman to not talk about it. You're saying that the crime here is that the hush money was an illegal campaign contribution?  That it should have been paid for instead out of campaign funds, rather than personally by Trump with the transaction and funds channeled through his personal attorney?  Or supposing Ms "Daniels" signed the non-disclosure settlement in exchange for a personal apology from Mr Trump instead of for money.  Well, since the settlement obviously had monetary value, would she have committed a campaign finance violation by donating something of monetary value? (her silence)  Would that have been a "campaign contribution?"

We have all these rules regarding how campaign funds are allowed to be spent.   Fore example, it's okay to spend campaign funds for ads or to charter a bus, but not okay to, say, redo the candidate's kitchen.   The point of these rules are a candidate must not use campaign funds for personal expenses.  So was this non-disclosure settlement a personal expense or campaign expense?  If it is to be characterized as a "campaign" expense then it should have been paid out of campaign funds?  Is that the twisted logic the deep state conspirators are trying to foist on the American people here?

They expect us to believe that paying someone to not tell embarrassing personal facts about the candidate - that's OBVIOUSLY a campaign expense?

What if some movie producer not with the campaign decided to pay money to anyone willing to come be on his movie revealing embarrassing stories about the candidate? So, is that an illegal campaign contribution? Clearly it's intended to influence the election, so doesn't that also meet this prosecutor's legal definition?  If so, there's a whole lot of Hollywood people we need to start dragging into Federal Court and bringing up on criminal charges!  Not to mention commentators on CNN and MSNBC.

Further, even if one wants to allege Cohen's (reimbursed) payment of the settlement on behalf of Trump (as his retained personal attorney) is properly characterized as a "campaign donation" as alleged by the prosecutor and Cohen with a tax violation gun-to-his-head (not as determined by a judge or jury) campaign finance violations are always handled through fines, not a rash, reckless and desperate call for the nuclear option of prosecution and  impeachment. Obama paid the largest fine to date for his campaign finance violations in 2012 involving exponentially larger sums than the $130k alleged here.  Nobody was charged with a Federal felony and nobody was calling for Obama's impeachment over it.

And where is the FEC in this?  Was there some kind of FEC ruling that the settlement in question was a campaign expense and thus should have been paid our of campaign funds?   I've heard of no FEC ruling on it.  If there is none, why did the prosecutor not seek that first before deciding all-on-his-own it was a campaign finance violation and presenting Cohen with this plea agreement that lets him off relatively lightly on the tax charges in return for pleading to this bogus campaign donation charge.   If the prosecutor had gone to the FEC fist and the FEC were to say it wasn't a legitimate campaign expense, how can it be characterized as a campaign donation?  And if the FEC were to characterize it as a campaign expense - why was it not handled first through normal FEC processes with an investigation, opportunity for rebuttal by the Trump campaign, and a fine?  (like they did with Obama)

I'll tell you why.  Cohen's sentencing is not until December - AFTER the mid-terms.  How do we even know the Judge will accept this charge?   A plea agreement is just that - an "agreement" between the prosecutor and defendant.  It's not final until the judge reviews and accepts it and that will not likely be till after the mid-terms.  Deep-state conspiracy to influence the mid-terms?  One has to wonder?  (perhaps this prosecutor is making an illegal campaign donation? - by his own logic!!!)

This whole thing is nonsense.   Trump will go on. Get used to it.  Count on it.   And he will continue Making America Great Again!  

And Judge Kavanaugh will be confirmed as the next Justice of the Supreme Court.   Count on that too!



Last edited by ConservaLady on 8/23/2018, 10:05 am; edited 7 times in total

ConservaLady

ConservaLady

PkrBum wrote:Cohen doesn't know shit. He's a sleazeball personal lawyer. He couldn't find Russia w a cruise missile.

At least the other guy actually knows some Russians. So y'all have that to whine about for a while.

There was no so-called collusion.

During the campaign Donald Trump Jr was even invited to a meeting with persons (who turned out to be Russian state actors) and invited to engage in "collusion" ... he smelled something was potentially improper about it and rejected them out of hand and walked out of the meeting within 15 minutes.

(that's called "integrity", by the way. Something loony liberals know little about)

zsomething



Watching a desperate person try to convince themselves of absolute bullshit in public is fascinating. Very Happy

ConservaLady

ConservaLady

zsomething wrote:Watching a desperate person try to convince themselves of absolute bullshit in public is fascinating.   Very Happy

And you, sir, are apparently unable to counter one jot or tittle of my posts on this matter.  Not one of you loony liberals has even attempted. (Hint - if you are wondering why that is, it's because Truth is a hard thing to dispute)

Even Alan Dershowitz agrees (in part) with me on this.  Are you saying Alan Dershowitz is wrong?

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

zsomething wrote:Watching a desperate person try to convince themselves of absolute bullshit in public is fascinating.   Very Happy

Not to worry...Hair Runamok went on Fox & Friends and ironed out the details:



Ainsley Earhardt: Did you know about the payments?

Donald Trump:

Uh, later on I knew. But, you have to understand, Ainsley, what he did … and they weren’t taken out of campaign finance. That’s a big thing, that’s a big thing. That’s a much bigger thing. Did they come out of the campaign. They didn’t come out of the campaign. They came from me and I tweeted about it, you know? I tweeted about the, uh, payments. But they didn’t come out of campaign. In fact my first question when I heard about it was, did they come out of the campaign? Because that could be a little dicey and they didn’t come out of the campaign and that’s big. But they weren’t, that’s not even, that’s not campaign violation. If you look at President Obama, he had a massive campaign violation, but he had a different attorney general and they viewed it a lot differently.


https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/8/22/1790186/-Unindicted-criminal-co-conspirator-turns-to-Fox-News-to-clear-things-up-and-still-goes-off-the-rails


ConservaLady

ConservaLady

Floridatexan wrote:
zsomething wrote:Watching a desperate person try to convince themselves of absolute bullshit in public is fascinating.   Very Happy

Not to worry...Hair Runamok went on Fox & Friends and ironed out the details:



Ainsley Earhardt: Did you know about the payments?

Donald Trump:

Uh, later on I knew. But, you have to understand, Ainsley, what he did … and they weren’t taken out of campaign finance. That’s a big thing, that’s a big thing. That’s a much bigger thing. Did they come out of the campaign. They didn’t come out of the campaign. They came from me and I tweeted about it, you know? I tweeted about the, uh, payments. But they didn’t come out of campaign. In fact my first question when I heard about it was, did they come out of the campaign? Because that could be a little dicey and they didn’t come out of the campaign and that’s big. But they weren’t, that’s not even, that’s not campaign violation. If you look at President Obama, he had a massive campaign violation, but he had a different attorney general and they viewed it a lot differently.


https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/8/22/1790186/-Unindicted-criminal-co-conspirator-turns-to-Fox-News-to-clear-things-up-and-still-goes-off-the-rails



President Trump is 100% absolutely correct on this.

Further, Cohen was his attorney. His legal advisor and representative in this and many other matters over the years. If there were something unlawful (doubtful!) about the way this perfectly legal settlement was arranged by Mr Trump's personal attorney, it was incumbent upon Cohen, as his attorney, to inform his client of that.

Where's the FEC ruling.  Where was even the FEC investigation?  Where's the opportunity for response and rebuttal by the campaign? There  was none of that!  

This is the opinion of one prosecutor who leveraged a plea agreement by offering to let Cohen off easy on some of the other tax charges (tax charges entirely unrelated to President Trump or the campaign)  it's a tawdry deep-state political witch hunt designed and timed for the sole purpose of influencing the midterm elections.

The American people should be more concerned about the illegal soft-coup being attempted by treasonous actors of the deep-state within and without the government against a duly elected President, than about the President's perfectly legal settling of a personal dispute with a porn actress for an alleged affair that occurred some six years ago.

Telstar

Telstar

We now have the first impeachable offense in place....who was that candidate for federal office? - Page 2 Ass10

zsomething



ConservaLady wrote:
zsomething wrote:Watching a desperate person try to convince themselves of absolute bullshit in public is fascinating.   Very Happy

And you, sir, are apparently unable to counter one jot or tittle of my posts on this matter.  Not one of you loony liberals has even attempted.  (Hint - if you are wondering why that is, it's because Truth is a hard thing to dispute)

Even Alan Dershowitz agrees (in part) with me on this.  Are you saying Alan Dershowitz is wrong?

When I see a street person rubbing shit in their hair and babbling crazy nonsense about how "the Illuminati" is using the ghosts of murdered radishes to implant microchips in their sinuses in order to steal their mucus to run alien spaceships so they can ship all of America's breakfast cereals away to Alpha Centauri, and they can prove it by in-depth analysis of things they spotted in the background of Stanley Kubrick movies, I don't bother debating that person, I just let them babble, because I know how it's gonna turn out. There's no sense in trying to reason someone out of a position that they didn't arrive at through reason in the first place... and literally nothing that you believe has been arrived at through anything that even resembles reason. If you aren't a parody, then oh my god you are a sad example of a human being, because everything you believe is ridiculous, and you somehow think you're actually making compelling arguments.

Nobody's going to bother discussing things with you because you are a yammering idiot. You have zero credibility. I'm not going to treat you as an equal, because you aren't one. You're a joke, and the only question I really have about it is whether you're in on it or not. Smile I think you are, because, c'mon, nobody's really that fuck-addle-stupid in real life.

You're not really trying to convince us, anyway... you're just trying to console yourself with far-fetchy bullshit because the mask is slipping off the horror you voted for and you're frantic that your smug little world is coming apart on you. And you're doing it in public because that's where you're looking like a clown. Rather than limp off into the shadows with your tail between your legs, your ego's trying to slap some pancake on your bruised (and highly misplaced) vanity. Whirl away as hard as you can, Spinderella, but it's all coming down and you and everybody else who voted for this con-artist mutt are gonna be history's laughing stock. Your ideology is on fire and you ain't got so much as a mouthful of spit to fight it with. Trump tore down the curtain and you can't even lie about what the GOP is anymore. The clock is running out on conservatism and there's two things you can do about it: 1. Nothing, and 2. Learn to love it. Very Happy

And just for the record, Alan Dershowitz is often wrong. It's almost cute that you seem to think questioning him is unthinkable.

zsomething



Floridatexan wrote:
zsomething wrote:Watching a desperate person try to convince themselves of absolute bullshit in public is fascinating.   Very Happy

Not to worry...Hair Runamok went on Fox & Friends and ironed out the details:



Ainsley Earhardt: Did you know about the payments?

Donald Trump:

Uh, later on I knew. But, you have to understand, Ainsley, what he did … and they weren’t taken out of campaign finance. That’s a big thing, that’s a big thing. That’s a much bigger thing. Did they come out of the campaign. They didn’t come out of the campaign. They came from me and I tweeted about it, you know? I tweeted about the, uh, payments. But they didn’t come out of campaign. In fact my first question when I heard about it was, did they come out of the campaign? Because that could be a little dicey and they didn’t come out of the campaign and that’s big. But they weren’t, that’s not even, that’s not campaign violation. If you look at President Obama, he had a massive campaign violation, but he had a different attorney general and they viewed it a lot differently.


https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/8/22/1790186/-Unindicted-criminal-co-conspirator-turns-to-Fox-News-to-clear-things-up-and-still-goes-off-the-rails



Yep, gotta love Trump trying to claim "Later on I knew," as if this tape didn't exist, where he's clearly discussing the payment in advance.




I mean, there it is, flat-out. That exists, and he's still trying this "Don't believe reality, just obey what I tell you to think" ploy.

He's gotten so used to his cult being full-on brainwashed that he's not even trying anymore. He's just taking it for granted that they'll aid and abet him while he deludes them. And he has good reason to take it for granted -- they absolutely will. We can see evidence of that in this pitiful "ConservaLady" joke who's flying around the board like a plate-spinner, trying to keep everything she believes in from falling apart while a magnitude-twelve earthquake's hitting it. Smile

The Republican party is experiencing an extinction-level event, and it's name is Donald Trump. And, my god, they're so stump-stupid they're trying to rescue the thing that's killing 'em! Shocked

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

ConservaLady wrote:
PkrBum wrote:Cohen doesn't know shit. He's a sleazeball personal lawyer. He couldn't find Russia w a cruise missile.

At least the other guy actually knows some Russians. So y'all have that to whine about for a while.

There was no so-called collusion.  

During the campaign Donald Trump Jr was even invited to a meeting with persons (who turned out to be Russian state actors) and invited to engage in "collusion" ... he smelled something was potentially improper about it and rejected them out of hand and walked out of the meeting within 15 minutes.

(that's called "integrity",  by the way.  Something loony liberals know little about)


Integrity would have constituted informing the FBI...and you're taking his word on the chain of events. Love this: MAGA--My Attorney Got Arrested

2seaoat



President Trump will be indicted on a felony violation. It is just a matter of time. It has nothing to do with not meeting the elements of the felony.

ConservaLady

ConservaLady

zsomething wrote:

Yep, gotta love Trump trying to claim "Later on I knew," as if this tape didn't exist, where he's clearly discussing the payment in advance.


Doubtless Trump as a multi-billionaire international real estate developer has many phone conversations with many attorneys, bankers, financiers, accounting people, and others about many, many things. One can't expect him to remember many months later the exact details and dates of a phone conversation with just one of his attorneys about a relatively minor personal settlement such as this was.

Trump has been as transparent and open about all of these things as a President can possibly be. He's waived executive privilege and attorney/client confidentiality when he was under no legal obligation to do so to allow administration officials and others to appear for interrogation by witch hunt Grand Inquisitor Mueller's minions. And still they have nothing.

Even, Don McGahn, White House Counselor and Assistant to the President (not to mention former commissioner of the FEC) said of his 30 hours of interrogation that he told his inquisitors: "I never saw the President go beyond his legal authority"

There will be no indictment nor impeachment of Trump. Get used to it. It's a hysterical loony liberal pipe dream.

Vikingwoman



ConservaLady wrote:This is a deep-state conspiracy to remove a fairly and democratically elected President.

Cohen plead to the fake "campaign contribution" charge as part of a deal on a bunch of unrelated-to-Trump tax charges to limit his sentencing and the prosecutors also agreed to not look into other potential tax charges.   Essentially, they used the tax charges as a metaphorical "gun to his head" to get him to plea to the fake "campaign contribution" charge.

Trump reimbursed Cohen for the amounts Cohen paid to the women for the non-disclosure agreements, and he did it with his own funds, not campaign funds.  That little fact was released last May in a routine ethics disclosure.  Further Trump not only reimbursed Cohen for the non-disclosure payment but also for a lot of other services and expenses Cohen had incurred in other legal matters for Trump to the tune of nearly half a million dollars.  Cohen was Trump's attorney so of course he incurs expenses for various legal matters and Trump reimburses him.  They've worked this way together for years.  This is no secret. These payments were fully disclosed.  They are not illegal payments and are not campaign contributions.   Further Cohen was negotiating with these women's attorneys long before the campaign.  

Consider this analogy. Supposing a person with many complicated businesses has an ongoing dispute with some vendors over how much his businesses owe them.  Or say those other businesses are claiming they are due some sort of damages due to some matter. Then the person decides to run for public office, and instructs his long time company attorney to just go ahead and pay off these people to just end the dispute so it doesn't become a matter of controversy during the campaign.   Then the person reimburses his attorney for those payments, as well as a lot of other services and payments the attorney has incurred on behalf of his client for other things.  Is that an "illegal campaign donation?"  But of course not.  It would be silly to try and characterize it as such.  This situation with Trump, Cohen, and the payments to these women is no different.

The Cohen campaign donation charge is really a fake crime.  There will be no impeachment or indictment of Trump. And he won't be resigning either. Count on it.  And he will continue draining the swamp.  Particularly at DOJ.  


Then why did Trump lie about it? Just a simple question since you've figured it out.

Vikingwoman



"Trump has been as transparent and open about all of these things as a President can possibly be."

I had to copy this. Shocked

zsomething



ConservaLady wrote:

Doubtless Trump as a multi-billionaire international real estate developer has many phone conversations with many attorneys, bankers, financiers, accounting people, and others about many, many things.   One can't expect him to remember many months later the exact details and dates of a phone conversation with just one of his attorneys about a relatively minor personal settlement such as this was.

"Trump has to pay off a lot of mistresses" is one hell of a defense for a Bible-thumper to make.  Smile How can he possibly keep track of all his bribery to cover up the festering sore that is his personal life? Yeeee-argh, lady. The Cohen tape got played on the news a lot. Trump is self-obsessed. There's no way he didn't know that tape had come out and what it referred to.

He just lied about it because he know that you, his constituents, are stupid, blind, obedient slaves and he doesn't have to treat you with even enough respect to try to make up a good story. Seriously, Trump comes out and says "I could shoot somebody on 5th Avenue and I wouldn't lose a vote," and you don't even have the pride or sense to be insulted by that. He basically tells you "I can take you dopes for granted because you're brainwashed morons" and all you do is go, "Yup yup yup!" and prove him right. Not only will he pee down your back and tell you it's raining, he'll ask you to unzip it for him. AND you'll still belt out "What a glorious feeling, I'm haaaaaappy again!" while it's spritzin' down on ya. There's brainwashing, then there's brainwashing, and then there's you.

Good god, ya'll. You gotta be a parody. Making these arguments would embarrass any real person. Smile

Trump has been as transparent and open about all of these things as a President can possibly be.

We now have the first impeachable offense in place....who was that candidate for federal office? - Page 2 1890404_1393712527570961_558878514_o

Hoooo, boy, you are a parody. Ain't no damn way anybody's saying that shit with any sincerity in 'em! Very Happy

Whoooo baby. If you're actually believing this stuff, you better be glad Jim Jones didn't get ahold of you before Trump did or you'd be a no-show.



 
He's waived executive privilege and attorney/client confidentiality when he was under no legal obligation to do so to allow administration officials and others to appear for interrogation by witch hunt Grand Inquisitor Mueller's minions.  And still they have nothing.  

Except for guilty Manafort, Cohen, Papadopoulous, Flynn, Gates, Pinedo, Van Der Zwann, and twenty-five indictments of Russians and Russian-linked entities. FOX News has programmed you with a very strange idea of what constitutes "nothing." Smile You're screamin' "witch hunt" while the flak barrage is littering the landscape with flaming brooms.



There will be no indictment nor impeachment of Trump.  Get used to it. It's a hysterical loony liberal pipe dream.

I'm not even necessarily wanting him impeached. I just want him hamstrung so he can't damage the country anymore and will limp out the rest of his term in disgrace, and then will be voted out in massive numbers in 2020 so that you cult-members will finally have to face the fact that the country really, really, really doesn't like you. You've gotten emboldened and you need to feel rejected and have your backwards, bigoted ideas marginalized. And your party -- long a plague, to the South in particularly -- needs to be disgraced and destroyed. And your support of Trump is going to do exactly that. And, what's funnier, you're so brainwashed you're fighting off the only people who might have any chance of saving you. You're too willfully misguided and short-sighted to admit what's happening... you think just watching more FOX News is going to save you from a world that is becoming aware of exactly how fouled up ya'll are, and have been for quite some time now.

You're living in a bubble. When it pops, it's gonna hurt. And my oh my, how you're going to deserve it. Very Happy

PkrBum

PkrBum

Vikingwoman wrote:"Trump has been as transparent and open about all of these things as a President can possibly be."

I had to copy this. Shocked

What... you think obama was transparent? Rolling Eyes

zsomething



lol! It's so predictable it's a reflex already. Tap his knee with a hammer and he goes, "Obama's leg jumps, too!"

At some point somebody must've given a "debating tactics" course, and in the first five minutes of the first day they brought up "what-about-ism" and Pkr grabbed his books, yelled "WOW! Welp, no sense hanging around here any longer, I've learned all the magic I'll ever need to know!" and fled in a cloud of tiresomeness.

Very Happy

RealLindaL



zsomething wrote: lol! It's so predictable it's a reflex already.  Tap his knee with a hammer and he goes, "Obama's leg jumps, too!"

At some point somebody must've given a "debating tactics" course, and in the first five minutes of the first day they brought up "what-about-ism" and Pkr grabbed his books, yelled "WOW!  Welp, no sense hanging around here any longer, I've learned all the magic I'll ever need to know!"  and fled in a cloud of tiresomeness.

Very Happy

cheers   cheers   cheers    

YOU NAILED IT!!!!!!!!!!

PkrBum

PkrBum

Pffft... if they couldn't bust holder, Lerner, hillary... etc. They won't bust trump.

To think... humans used to be good at recognizing patterns.

Vikingwoman



ConservaLady wrote:
PkrBum wrote:Cohen doesn't know shit. He's a sleazeball personal lawyer. He couldn't find Russia w a cruise missile.

At least the other guy actually knows some Russians. So y'all have that to whine about for a while.

There was no so-called collusion.  

During the campaign Donald Trump Jr was even invited to a meeting with persons (who turned out to be Russian state actors) and invited to engage in "collusion" ... he smelled something was potentially improper about it and rejected them out of hand and walked out of the meeting within 15 minutes.

(that's called "integrity",  by the way.  Something loony liberals know little about)


No stupidass. Trump Jr. got emails about dirt on Hillary and went there knowingly to collude in that. He turned those emails over. Get your facts straight.

Sal

Sal

PkrBum wrote:Lol... none of that has anything to do with russian collusion or the obstruction thereof.

outbyseptember? again? Gawd you're easy when the leftists throw you a crumb.


Manafort knows everything.

Trump knows it.

Mueller knows it.

Anyone who can't see that needs a bib.

PkrBum

PkrBum

Sal wrote:
PkrBum wrote:Lol... none of that has anything to do with russian collusion or the obstruction thereof.

outbyseptember? again? Gawd you're easy when the leftists throw you a crumb.


Manafort knows everything.

Trump knows it.

Mueller knows it.

Anyone who can't see that needs a bib.

What's he know of russian collusion w the trump campaign. Be specific.

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