Franken Announces Resignation

2seaoat wrote:It has nothing to do with partisanship.  It is simply time to have a moral threshold.   Republicans and Democrats once shared that moral threshold.  However, this was simple.  We need to have truth and morality as guidance, and certainly Franken by his apologies makes it certain that the pinnacle of hypocrisy would be for him to fight these allegations when the photos show inappropriate behavior.  I do not give a chit what the immoral President or soon to be senator who is a child molester decide to do.  It never was about immoral men, it was about what moral folks will do.  Good will prevail over bad.  Thumbs up Al.

othershoe1030 wrote:

2seaoat wrote:It has nothing to do with partisanship.  It is simply time to have a moral threshold.   Republicans and Democrats once shared that moral threshold.  However, this was simple.  We need to have truth and morality as guidance, and certainly Franken by his apologies makes it certain that the pinnacle of hypocrisy would be for him to fight these allegations when the photos show inappropriate behavior.  I do not give a chit what the immoral President or soon to be senator who is a child molester decide to do.  It never was about immoral men, it was about what moral folks will do.  Good will prevail over bad.  Thumbs up Al.

To you it may not have anything to do with partisanship but I think the Dems are trying to make it so. They are trying to wear the white hats and to pin disrespect for women on the Republicans.

I agree we need to have a moral threshold but this is not the way to go about it willie-nillie throwing the baby out with the bathwater as it were. Franken's bad behavior was unacceptable, apologized for and forgiven by the first woman to come forward, the radio personality in California. Now she is sorry he has resigned.

The Dems are trying to take the high road by supporting respect for women. Unfortunately they are cutting off their noses to spite their face in the case of Franken. This is a totally new type of national conversation that is in a state of flux. It is no time to be so eager to throw a good man under the bus. I think he should have at least had the opportunity to go through the ethics process as he first proposed and given all this time to cool down. He could step down later if the investigation merited it but now it is too late.

Meanwhile all the Republicans (Trump) care about is having enough GOP votes to pass their tax bill. Now that's totally shameful on so many levels.

 

2seaoat wrote:Now if only the orange jackass and his ilk would follow suit...


Impossible to expect evil people to denounce predators.  Our salvation is most Americans are good people, and even though Franken was an evil democrat, most Americans really liked the man after watching him on SNL and his use of humor to do his job in the senate.  I think Americans have seen the stark difference in morality independent of politics.  Sexual predators are on both sides of the aisle.  No one side has the high ground in a political sense because there are moral absolutes, and fondling 14 year old children when you are in a powerful position, or bragging that you can grab P---y because rich and powerful people can get away with it.   It has been this historical merging of absolute power with sexual exploitation which made a great movie in Braveheart because we were appalled, yet if Franken had not resigned all standards of decency would degrade to the point that President Trump and new Senator Moore can demand the right of first night with any American female child.   These are simple moral choices, and most Americans have a mother, sister, or daughter who understand that Al did the right thing.

othershoe1030 wrote:The question has been asked several times on various talk shows as to why the last allegation against Franken was the straw that broke the camel's back. What was it about this last claim that caused all the Senators to publicly call for his resignation. As yet I have not heard any explanation for this other than "enough is enough" sort of response. Perhaps 7 is a magic number?

I think he was asked to resign simply to remove the ubiquitous Republican talking point/retort from their arsenal of responses. Every time one of their members was questioned about a Republican's behavior they would come back with, "Well, what about Al Franken?" Now this question has been answered.

Will this put pressure on other misbehaving Republicans? Pressure, yes but resignations (?) who knows. All they seem to care about, their reason for living, is to pay fewer taxes and to cut social welfare programs for the working poor and middle classes. The end, to them, seems to justify the means and if that means electing and serving with a guy who was banned from the mall for trolling young girls...well it will be worth it.

Joanimaroni wrote:

othershoe1030 wrote:The question has been asked several times on various talk shows as to why the last allegation against Franken was the straw that broke the camel's back. What was it about this last claim that caused all the Senators to publicly call for his resignation. As yet I have not heard any explanation for this other than "enough is enough" sort of response. Perhaps 7 is a magic number?

I think he was asked to resign simply to remove the ubiquitous Republican talking point/retort from their arsenal of responses. Every time one of their members was questioned about a Republican's behavior they would come back with, "Well, what about Al Franken?" Now this question has been answered.

Will this put pressure on other misbehaving Republicans? Pressure, yes but resignations (?) who knows. All they seem to care about, their reason for living, is to pay fewer taxes and to cut social welfare programs for the working poor and middle classes. The end, to them, seems to justify the means and if that means electing and serving with a guy who was banned from the mall for trolling young girls...well it will be worth it.

Absolutely....it had NOTHING to do with his repetitive behaviour and disregard for women. Way to exonerate him.

Floridatexan wrote:

Joanimaroni wrote:

othershoe1030 wrote:The question has been asked several times on various talk shows as to why the last allegation against Franken was the straw that broke the camel's back. What was it about this last claim that caused all the Senators to publicly call for his resignation. As yet I have not heard any explanation for this other than "enough is enough" sort of response. Perhaps 7 is a magic number?

I think he was asked to resign simply to remove the ubiquitous Republican talking point/retort from their arsenal of responses. Every time one of their members was questioned about a Republican's behavior they would come back with, "Well, what about Al Franken?" Now this question has been answered.

Will this put pressure on other misbehaving Republicans? Pressure, yes but resignations (?) who knows. All they seem to care about, their reason for living, is to pay fewer taxes and to cut social welfare programs for the working poor and middle classes. The end, to them, seems to justify the means and if that means electing and serving with a guy who was banned from the mall for trolling young girls...well it will be worth it.

Absolutely....it had NOTHING to do with his repetitive behaviour and disregard for women. Way to exonerate him.

What repetitive behavior.  Please cite an example of anything approaching trolling teenage girls at the mall and the YMCA...walking in on a room full of naked young girls at a beauty pageant...numerous attempts to seduce women while the wife is in another room...et al, ad nauseum.

Joanimaroni wrote:

Floridatexan wrote:

Joanimaroni wrote:

othershoe1030 wrote:The question has been asked several times on various talk shows as to why the last allegation against Franken was the straw that broke the camel's back. What was it about this last claim that caused all the Senators to publicly call for his resignation. As yet I have not heard any explanation for this other than "enough is enough" sort of response. Perhaps 7 is a magic number?

I think he was asked to resign simply to remove the ubiquitous Republican talking point/retort from their arsenal of responses. Every time one of their members was questioned about a Republican's behavior they would come back with, "Well, what about Al Franken?" Now this question has been answered.

Will this put pressure on other misbehaving Republicans? Pressure, yes but resignations (?) who knows. All they seem to care about, their reason for living, is to pay fewer taxes and to cut social welfare programs for the working poor and middle classes. The end, to them, seems to justify the means and if that means electing and serving with a guy who was banned from the mall for trolling young girls...well it will be worth it.

Absolutely....it had NOTHING to do with his repetitive behaviour and disregard for women. Way to exonerate him.

What repetitive behavior.  Please cite an example of anything approaching trolling teenage girls at the mall and the YMCA...walking in on a room full of naked young girls at a beauty pageant...numerous attempts to seduce women while the wife is in another room...et al, ad nauseum.

Mounting allegations.