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2seaoat



Yes, I remember that photo from the PNJ. What subject were you teaching when you did the professor thing?

It was 1976 and I had applications in at 25 colleges and junior colleges, but I was a white male......not the best time to apply in post secondary academia as mistakes of the past were going to be corrected.....so an economics, international relations, political science, and business instructor who was a white male was not going to have much luck finding a good position. I had written my thesis on Latin American economic integration and the role of trade associations in bringing economy of scales to the Chilean, Bolivian, and Colombian economies......I was living in Mexico and getting my ducks lined up for my doctoral program, when I had opportunities in business and changed my career path. I have had a full life and simply have no regrets. The guy upstairs guided me wisely from academia, and I am a firm believer in providence. I look forward to where it leads next, but I still enjoy what I studied so many years ago.

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2seaoat wrote:Yes, I remember that photo from the PNJ. What subject were you teaching when you did the professor thing?

It was 1976 and I had applications in at 25 colleges and junior colleges, but I was a white male......not the best time to apply in post secondary academia as mistakes of the past were going to be corrected.....so an economics, international relations, political science, and business instructor who was a white male was not going to have much luck finding a good position. I had written my thesis on Latin American economic integration and the role of trade associations in bringing economy of scales to the Chilean, Bolivian, and Colombian economies......I was living in Mexico and getting my ducks lined up for my doctoral program, when I had opportunities in business and changed my career path. I have had a full life and simply have no regrets. The guy upstairs guided me wisely from academia, and I am a firm believer in providence. I look forward to where it leads next, but I still enjoy what I studied so many years ago.
Interesting. The other day I heard a comment about NAFTA actually helping create jobs in this country. What is your assessment of NAFTA now that it's been around for a while? I know Perot announced that giant sucking sound of jobs leaving the U.S. has it been a net gain or net loss as far as you can tell to this point?

2seaoat



Free trade is a tremendous wealth builder for the world. Fair trade is the goal. When you do not have fair trade, the economic dislocations can be artificial and manipulated by special interests and who can buy off protection for their sector. Tariffs and attention to currency details are the solution.

In America at a time we promoted free trade, our internal tax policies did not support our industry, nor did we give incentives to retain our industry. The Germans have shown that with high labor costs than America, they could retain their industry and expand manufacturing. It did not happen by accident. It took tax policy, training, and coordinated diligence in trade agreements and EU policies. The EU opened markets for Germany and they prospered because there internal policies were consistent.

In America we had the real estate industry exert too much influence over our tax code as American wealth was rewarded piling trillions into unproductive real estate investments while Americans were given a false sense of prosperity as our world comparative advantage in manufacturing was seriously harmed. NAFTA never was the problem.....it was the failure to match domestic tax policy with a trade policy, and to insulate our tax policies from counter productive special interests. Free Trade really works when it is fair......but what America is facing today is a rigged game.

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2seaoat wrote:Free trade is a tremendous wealth builder for the world. Fair trade is the goal. When you do not have fair trade, the economic dislocations can be artificial and manipulated by special interests and who can buy off protection for their sector. Tariffs and attention to currency details are the solution.

In America at a time we promoted free trade, our internal tax policies did not support our industry, nor did we give incentives to retain our industry. The Germans have shown that with high labor costs than America, they could retain their industry and expand manufacturing. It did not happen by accident. It took tax policy, training, and coordinated diligence in trade agreements and EU policies. The EU opened markets for Germany and they prospered because there internal policies were consistent.

In America we had the real estate industry exert too much influence over our tax code as American wealth was rewarded piling trillions into unproductive real estate investments while Americans were given a false sense of prosperity as our world comparative advantage in manufacturing was seriously harmed. NAFTA never was the problem.....it was the failure to match domestic tax policy with a trade policy, and to insulate our tax policies from counter productive special interests. Free Trade really works when it is fair......but what America is facing today is a rigged game.
Bill Clinton pointed out something I think is similar to what you're saying namely that the private sector and government have to work together to promote the national interest such as they do in Germany.
Government should be a partner in this sense with enterprise. Government is not always the "problem" as some would have us believe. Is that consistent with your views?

TEOTWAWKI

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Yeah Government has worked together with the private sector...the BIG corporate private sector. They killed off small business and now we have us a tidy little Fascism..

2seaoat



PKR thinks that when I talk about government guidance it is socialism, and in fact in Germany it is socialism by all accounts, but in the absence of a governmental policy which is in sync with private industry as dictated by the tax code, you have economic chaos.....which is bad enough, but you can have those special interest groups attacking and sacking an economy in the midst of Chaos.....and then argue that any government attempt to put Americans first is socialism......pure insanity, and hard to have an intelligent conversation when dogma and platitudes deny common sense solutions. Trade Associations and economic laws are complex and often counter intuitive. The Sarah Palins of this world have been given the stage to spew nonsense, while Mitch Daniels quietly and competently runs the state of Indiana with real economic knowledge, we have somebody like Mitt Romney who has leveraged the chaos to his advantage, and now is the figurehead for those who promote trade chaos.....despite the false words he says.

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2seaoat wrote:PKR thinks that when I talk about government guidance it is socialism, and in fact in Germany it is socialism by all accounts, but in the absence of a governmental policy which is in sync with private industry as dictated by the tax code, you have economic chaos.....which is bad enough, but you can have those special interest groups attacking and sacking an economy in the midst of Chaos.....and then argue that any government attempt to put Americans first is socialism......pure insanity, and hard to have an intelligent conversation when dogma and platitudes deny common sense solutions. Trade Associations and economic laws are complex and often counter intuitive. The Sarah Palins of this world have been given the stage to spew nonsense, while Mitch Daniels quietly and competently runs the state of Indiana with real economic knowledge, we have somebody like Mitt Romney who has leveraged the chaos to his advantage, and now is the figurehead for those who promote trade chaos.....despite the false words he says.

Here's my take on the anti-government type nonsense re government involvement. The tea party types and others on the right like to say government is the problem and that it doesn't work. To prove the point, if a useful bill is passed they don't fund it so it can't work the way it is supposed to then point to it and say: see, government doesn't work.

On the flip side of that coin is how they descend upon congress and have their lobbyists pass tax laws that benefit their special interest. In this way they are able to sop up government money and actually make government work very much in their favor.

So government works for them because they have the clout but it is working less and less for the rest of us because too many still fall for the "government is the problem" notion.

Great, just keep thinking that. Why do the big oil companies continue to get huge subsidies and tax breaks when they certainly don't need any government handouts?

And then these same people have the gaul to complain about the 47% who don't pay federal income tax! They are just sore that there's not more tax money for them to run off with.

TEOTWAWKI

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Government has NO money.

2seaoat



Government has NO money.

Most people I know have NO money

I am thinking about goats and sheep.......

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

How Government gets money

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VectorMan wrote:

It can be hard work for sure. Especially if you pull a flat bed trailer and the load has to be strapped down and/or tarped. I did NOT pull a flat bed.

I've been to places and seen things I would never have had I not drove a big truck. I drove from southern Minnesota to International Falls, MN in the middle of their worst snow storm in 50 years. I would nave have done that if I wasn't trying to make a delivery. It was white knuckle driving even going just 10 mph on the interstate.

I also got a load of $40,000.00 worth of pennies from the US Mint in Philadelphia. I pulled up to this massive door, about 3 feet thick. Talked with someone on the intercom and they opened the door. I pulled into the inspection area and these two guys came out with mirrors on poles looking all under the truck and trailer, while the big door closed behind me. After they finished their inspection there was another massive door to go through and move below street level before I could "blind side" back the trailer into the dock.

Oh, Vector! You wouldn't like any of my loads! EVERYTHING has to be strapped (to supplier specs) and tarped, and if I don't know the truck driver, I personally check each load to ensure they're not screwing me over.

I am a hard-ass and demand a lot, but I treat my drivers like princes because not only is it just common sense and good business, but because they deserve it. They've come through for me and gotten "impossible" freight delivered before my production line went down more times than I can count. I've bought them all many, many breakfasts, lunches, suppers, and if I'm able, always go out to the yard personally to thank them for coming through on my urgent deliveries.

Everything I ship is on a flat bed, single drop, double drop,... strap-down to specs, tarping to my preference and liking. I doubt you would have returned any of my calls. LOL!

You've some good stories to tell, V... I've no doubt there are many more where those came from!

Cheers!

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

What happens if you are poor and have no money..the police make you look like this...
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TEOTWAWKI wrote:
I remember that place I could walk there in a few minutes. I only ate there once. The place I am remembering was a bit of a drive and looked like a hunting lodge. Sat off the road up on a bit of a hill. They also had a great steak. I took pictures but I think the ex got all of them. It was a two story building.

Burlando is a major road in Kernville. and winds back up too the left as you enter the town.

Here's a song I sang and used pictures from out there to assemble a video.

Yessir, CR 495 / Burlando goes around the West side of the lake. You could walk to Ewings?? Shoot, that would be trouble for me! LOL! Then your ex didn't have far to go to work, that's for sure! She could walk quite easily, I'd bet.

I'm planning a trip down to K'ville to visit some family and friends, and to go have a Filet Mignon @McNally's soon (I prefer Rib Eye, but they are far, far too big for me). When I'm driving through I'll put on my thinking cap and try to think of the place to which you are referring.

Very nice song, and of course I don't mind the scenery too much, either! Thank you for sharing that, sir.

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Ghost_Rider1 wrote:
riceme wrote:
Never had a job I didn't love.

It's not a job if you don't love it, it then becomes a chore. You know the old saying, "Find a job you love and you will never work a day in your life."

You could not be more correct, sir. My daddy is very old fashioned and is of the mindset that work is not for "funnin' around," HAVING fun, or even enjoying yourself. Several times while discussing my work, I have mentioned how much I love it, and that I'd be doing something wrong if my work wasn't fun for me, and didn't make me happy." He looked at me sideways like he didn't know if I was the daughter he'd raised, or a bad impersonation.

Embarassed

I no longer say such things to him, simply because it obviously upsets him.



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TEOTWAWKI

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'Very nice song, and of course I don't mind the scenery too much, either! Thank you for sharing that, sir. "



Well thank you..I always enjoyed Bobby Darins tunes...All I got is a mike plugged into a laptop as my recording studio so I can't help a lot of the distortion and noise..but I still like remembering those guys..you know what they say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

It was beautiful country alright..far more than I could absorb ....everywhere I looked was a new and beautiful work of art....Also I was surprised at how cheap it was to live in Kernville..My apartment was only 500 a month...I saved a bundle...

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2seaoat wrote:PKR thinks that when I talk about government guidance it is socialism, and in fact in Germany it is socialism by all accounts, but in the absence of a governmental policy which is in sync with private industry as dictated by the tax code, you have economic chaos.....which is bad enough, but you can have those special interest groups attacking and sacking an economy in the midst of Chaos.....and then argue that any government attempt to put Americans first is socialism......pure insanity, and hard to have an intelligent conversation when dogma and platitudes deny common sense solutions. Trade Associations and economic laws are complex and often counter intuitive. The Sarah Palins of this world have been given the stage to spew nonsense, while Mitch Daniels quietly and competently runs the state of Indiana with real economic knowledge, we have somebody like Mitt Romney who has leveraged the chaos to his advantage, and now is the figurehead for those who promote trade chaos.....despite the false words he says.

it's actually closer to fascism as an economic model... bad ideas fail.

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TEOTWAWKI wrote:
Well thank you..I always enjoyed Bobby Darins tunes...All I got is a mike plugged into a laptop as my recording studio so I can't help a lot of the distortion and noise..but I still like remembering those guys..you know what they say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

It was beautiful country alright..far more than I could absorb ....everywhere I looked was a new and beautiful work of art....Also I was surprised at how cheap it was to live in Kernville..My apartment was only 500 a month...I saved a bundle...

Well, that is surely one of my favorite songs of yours that I've heard. Thanks again, sir.

The Sierras are truly my home, and the years I spent away from them and my family crushed me. I could not possibly be more happy to be home, where I belong with my family, my mountains and my desert.

It takes many years to rightly absorb even the Southern Sierras, let alone much of the rest of the range. I do not like exploring on the pavement, and very strongly prefer backcountry roads, which of course is far more time-consuming when you're in 4-low and picking out each and every maneuver on whatever excuse for a road you're on in order and chaining up four wheels to get through deep mud or snow/ice, to get you to your destination, provided you have one... sometimes it's fun to just wander, but that can be dangerous. I've encountered many a tank-trap, most of which I could get over with some work. The thing you have to figure before getting into that situation is the first rule of my daddy's driving school: "NEVER, EVER drive forward into a place that you cannot back-out of on your own, using your mirrors!" Rule #1 has served me well over the years!

[Big sigh] Clearly I need to get up into the high Sierras soon (won't be long until it snows in the high country). It's been a very busy summer, and regretfully, I've only taken one trip up to Sequoia Nat'l Park in early April (all other high-elevation roads, campgrounds &c were still closed). Of course, I'd already been up there, but I had a friend in town from Kansas and wanted to take him up there to see the Giant Sequoias, the mountains, and to camp. We had a great time and stayed several nights tent-camping, surrounded by snow on all sides of our campsite! He was amazed and thrilled, as you may imagine.

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TEOTWAWKI

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Well I was thinking i was too old to be venturing into places I am not familiar with but someone posted a story about a guy 74 that just died rappelling down a drop of only 30 feet. Seems his fellow hiker/climber couldn't get him loose and he just hung there and died...well I am substantially younger than him so who knows maybe I will do the Colorado river someday..I definitely never even thought about doing the Kern river..That thing kills everyone !

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TEOTWAWKI wrote:Well I was thinking i was too old to be venturing into places I am not familiar with but someone posted a story about a guy 74 that just died rappelling down a drop of only 30 feet. Seems his fellow hiker/climber couldn't get him loose and he just hung there and died...well I am substantially younger than him so who knows maybe I will do the Colorado river someday..I definitely never even thought about doing the Kern river..That thing kills everyone !

My dear friend, you are NOT too old to participate in such activities! My folks own an Avon oar boat (I'm assuming you know what an Avon is, after living in Kernville, but if you don't it's somewhat like this, but an older model as they've had it for... I dunno, ten years or more: http://www.inflatableboats.net/avon/rover-ribs/r-280-rib/ ), and my 67-year old mom and 78-year old dad often take my 90-year old granny on river trips, including two on the Colorado River (the last one on the CO River was just a couple years ago... takes forever to get a permit).

My mom just retired from working in the field in Wind a couple years ago, where her job required for her to obtain annual re-certification in rappelling off 300+ ft towers, and in tower rescue. In those courses the trainer always used her as an example (as she was the smallest person at 4'11" and about 110 lbs) to lower the largest man (6'4" and ~320 lbs... all muscle) off the top of the tower. If my mom can do it, you most certainly can! Key to the very sad story above is to have an experienced and safety-trained partner.

Regarding "The Killer Kern," you are very right: it is likely the most dangerous and deadly river in the lower 48. My oldest sister was a river guide on the Kern (and other Class 5 rivers around the world, but was primarily based out of Isabella) from 16-yrs old until she was 42, spending her off-seasons teaching ski school and directing the education program @Purgatory (now referred to as "Durango Mountain Resort," because the name "Purgatory" offended some of the Bible Belters they were trying to cater to). She finally got on year-round at Purgatory, but greatly misses the river. She comes home once each summer to raft the North fork of the Kern (a week-long trip, as it is so far up in the mountains and difficult to pack-in and -out of).

The key to not getting killed is to go on a trip w/a reputable company and a seasoned guide (NO ROOKIE GUIDES!). I can give you a couple recommendations if you like. Another key is to schedule a trip in waters that are within your comfort zone. If you're not a seasoned white water rafter, you've no business on Class 5 waters, and there are certain years, seasons, and times of year when most all of the Kern is Class 5. The Lower Kern, which largely follows the Canyon Road), is *usually* a good starting point for beginners. I've been on the Lowe Kern many times, and it is still a very exciting trip, regardless of my experience level. Oh, and never, EVER swim in the Kern.

Merle Haggard || "Kern River":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jlVdC4qxsQ

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Rolling one in. All ways an exciting time. Another guy and I usually operated the winch..........Retired now

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hallmarkgrad wrote:Rolling one in. All ways an exciting time. Another guy and I usually operated the winch..........Retired now

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GREAT shot, hg! What a neat job!

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what kind of boat is that?

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hallmarkgrad wrote:Long line Fishing boat for Alaska..

When the partners in Alaskan Leader Fisheries in Seattle decided to add a third freezer-longliner to their fleet, they thought about purchasing an older boat and refitting it. After considering the inventory within the relatively small fishery, however, the group opted to build a new boat.
“One of the earmarks of the freezer-longliner sector is that a lot of the boats — I would say 60 percent of the vessels—are 45 to 50 years or older,” says Nick Delaney, Alaskan Leader’s president.
“They are still operating probably ten vessels that were built for World War II service, and there are actually a couple of boats built in the 1930s. They’re really way past any attempts of making suitable in terms of safety or technology.”
With the decision to build a brand-new boat, Alaskan Leader collaborated with Jensen Maritime Consultants of Seattle to design the 124-foot Bering Leader. After choosing Patti Shipyard, of Pensacola, Fla., as the builder, the group flew Frank Patti Jr., the shipyard’s president and Ashley Stone, the yard’s naval architect, to Dutch Harbor, Alaska, to inspect its two other longliners.
Patti Shipyard specializes in one-off vessels but had never built a longliner. “So we learned a lot. Nowhere near everything, but more than we knew before we left,” says Stone, who directed the construction of the new boat, the Bering Leader.
The boat was designed and built with a single-minded emphasis on operational efficiency. “The days of the big buffalo hunt are kind of over and now it’s more like, ‘What do you have in the bank account at the end of the year?’” says Delaney.
To enhance the Bering Leader’s bottom line, the group installed a Mustad Autoline system and a single engine with the prop in a nozzle, instead of the twin-screw open wheels that power its other two boats.

very cool.

is that why the windshield seems to be seamless and tinted because of the cold and reflectivity from the ice?

interesting boat....yes,,, very cool Very Happy

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LOL cool but wrong That was a tug. The Bearning Express looked like this. Sorry
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That boat was built in 2005 and sometimes they all run together.

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We put plywood over the windows to protect from paint and weld splatter. That is just the launch there is still a lot of work to be done...


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