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Self-hating Americans: What the CIA report says about the American left

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http://spectator.org/print/61216



The Self-Hating Americans

What the CIA report says about the American Left.

By Jeffrey Lord – 12.11.14





They hate America. They hate themselves for being Americans.

And in a vivid display of just how far self-hating Americans will go to smear their own country, look no further than this quickly infamous leftist-generated so-called CIA report. Its title as bequeathed by the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence: Committee Study of the Central Intelligence Agency's Detention and Interrogation Program.

Three former CIA directors, two former deputy CIA directors, and a former Democratic Senator on the Senate Intelligence Committee have responded in detail to the report pushed out by California’s Senator Dianne Feinstein, the outgoing committee chairwoman. And they have not been kind.

In the Wall Street Journal, the three former CIA directors — George Tenet, Porter Goss, and Michael Hayden — say this:


The Senate Intelligence Committee’s report on Central Intelligence Agency detention and interrogation of terrorists, prepared only by the Democratic majority staff, is a missed opportunity to deliver a serious and balanced study of an important public policy question. The committee has given us instead a one-sided study marred by errors of fact and interpretation—essentially a poorly done and partisan attack on the agency that has done the most to protect America after the 9/11 attacks.

… We can only conclude that the committee members or staff did not want to risk having to deal with data that did not fit their construct. Which is another reason why the study is so flawed. What went on in preparing the report is clear: The staff picked up the signal at the outset that this study was to have a certain outcome, especially with respect to the question of whether the interrogation program produced intelligence that helped stop terrorists. The staff members then “cherry picked” their way through six million pages of documents, ignoring some data and highlighting others, to construct their argument against the program’s effectiveness.

In the intelligence profession, that is called politicization.

The former Senate Democrat is Nebraska’s Bob Kerrey, who said this in the pages of USA Today:


I do not need to read the report to know that the Democratic staff alone wrote it. The Republicans checked out early when they determined that their counterparts started out with the premise that the CIA was guilty and then worked to prove it.

When Congress created the intelligence committees in the 1970's, the purpose was for people's representatives to stand above the fray and render balanced judgments about this most sensitive aspect of national security. This committee departed from that high road and slipped into the same partisan mode that marks most of what happens on Capitol Hill these days.

And oh yes… last night on Fox former Vice President Dick Cheney called the report “crap.”

So what we have here are six very serious people (seven counting Cheney) who understand the CIA inside and out and what goes on behind the scenes in the Senate Intelligence Committee inside and out. And all have come to the exact same conclusion.

The CIA Directors put it this way:


We can only conclude that the committee members or staff did not want to risk having to deal with data that did not fit their construct.

Former Senator Kerrey put it this way:


I do not need to read the report to know that the Democratic staff alone wrote it. The Republicans checked out early when they determined that their counterparts started out with the premise that the CIA was guilty and then worked to prove it.

In other words? What is being described here is a deliberate effort to make the CIA and by extension the country look as bad as it could possibly look, and they were willing to cook the books to accomplish their objective.

But why? There’s the real question.

In the Jewish world there is a term that should be adapted to America. The “self-hating Jew” is defined (here at the Jewish Virtual Library) this way:


A Jew who expresses self-hatred, according to Kurt Lewin [in Resolving Social Conflicts], “will dislike everything specifically Jewish, for he will see in it that which keeps him away from the majority for which he is longing. He will show dislike for those Jews who are outspokenly so, and will frequently indulge in self-hatred.”

Change the word “Jew” to the word “American” and the description reads this way:

“An American who expresses self-hatred… will dislike everything specifically American, for he will see in it that which keeps him away from the majority for which he is longing. He will show dislike for those Americans who are outspokenly so, and will frequently indulge in self-hatred.”

A more exact description of today’s American Left could not be had. “Dislike everything specifically American” extends on a scale of one to ten from the Jonathan Grubers of the world who hold themselves out as so much smarter than their “stupid” fellow Americans all the way to the other end and all those Bill Ayers types who spend their time finding ways to literally blow up the country or this or that part of it. They all feel a dripping contempt for both their countrymen and their country, merely differing on how to express that contempt.

Sometimes that hatred extends to specific, high-profile Americans. All conservatives of course, and Fox and talk radio. But they can’t abide capitalism, Wall Street, the middle class, two-parent heterosexual families of a Mom and Dad. Marriage is a target. Religion certainly, Catholics, Jews, and Evangelical Christians specifically. (Islamic fundamentalism, virulently anti-American, not -so-coincidentally finds favor with the self-haters.) Culturally speaking this would include things like country music or Disney and oh so much more. The contempt expressed by Leftists in various venues for any or all of these things is the epitome of American self-hatred. They hate the country, its people, its history, its culture, and most of all its power.

Anything and everything that spits in the eyes of all of these things and more are made attractive to American self-haters precisely because middle class America may frown on it. Or religious leaders. Or office holders or other authority figures. Legalizing marijuana is not as much about marijuana as it is about the kind of Americans who are in opposition to legalization. If sex is presented in American society as a husband/wife/man/woman relationship than the objective is to go as far in the opposite direction as possible. Gays are, in a real sense, irrelevant to the conversation. The military, like religion, is another target for smirking contempt. Not to mention that ultimate symbol of America — the American flag.

As has been said of the self-hating in the Jewish world, the self-hating American is a “social-psychological phenomenon.” Indeed. In this case that “phenomenon” has targeted the CIA. But the real target is America itself. First, last — and most disturbingly? Always.
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TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

I didn't read the article. The CIA is one great big psyop. They just wave the flag, play marching music, talk about mom dad and apple pie and we are just supposed to forget and forgive the monsters....stupid defense for an organization that should have been torn to pieces and scattered to the wind by JFK.


In late April 1961, over fourteen hundred members of the Cuban Expeditionary Forces landed at the Bay of Pigs, in Cuba. Their mission was to overthrow the communist regime of Cuban President Fidel Castro. The mission was a striking failure. Almost immediately it became known that the American Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) trained the "freedom fighters:" Cubans trained to overthrow the Castro regime. American President John F. Kennedy had approved the mission. President Kennedy soon after the failure spoke at a meeting of the American Association of Newspaper Editors and assumed all blame for the failed invasion. His staff then began leaking information to reporters, blaming the failure on anyone except the administration. (1)President Kennedy was quoted as saying, "How could I have been so stupid?" to trust the groups who were advising him, such as the CIA and the Joint Chiefs of Staff (JCS). (2) Even more damning to the CIA was a reputed quote by President Kennedy that he wanted to "splinter the CIA into a thousand pieces and scatter it into the winds." (3)

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

KarlRove wrote:http://spectator.org/print/61216



The Self-Hating Americans

What the CIA report says about the American Left.

By Jeffrey Lord – 12.11.14





They hate America. They hate themselves for being Americans.

And in a vivid display of just how far self-hating Americans will go to smear their own country, look no further than this quickly infamous leftist-generated so-called CIA report. Its title as bequeathed by the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence: Committee Study of the Central Intelligence Agency's Detention and Interrogation Program.

Three former CIA directors, two former deputy CIA directors, and a former Democratic Senator on the Senate Intelligence Committee have responded in detail to the report pushed out by California’s Senator Dianne Feinstein, the outgoing committee chairwoman. And they have not been kind.

In the Wall Street Journal, the three former CIA directors — George Tenet, Porter Goss, and Michael Hayden — say this:


The Senate Intelligence Committee’s report on Central Intelligence Agency detention and interrogation of terrorists, prepared only by the Democratic majority staff, is a missed opportunity to deliver a serious and balanced study of an important public policy question. The committee has given us instead a one-sided study marred by errors of fact and interpretation—essentially a poorly done and partisan attack on the agency that has done the most to protect America after the 9/11 attacks.

… We can only conclude that the committee members or staff did not want to risk having to deal with data that did not fit their construct. Which is another reason why the study is so flawed. What went on in preparing the report is clear: The staff picked up the signal at the outset that this study was to have a certain outcome, especially with respect to the question of whether the interrogation program produced intelligence that helped stop terrorists. The staff members then “cherry picked” their way through six million pages of documents, ignoring some data and highlighting others, to construct their argument against the program’s effectiveness.

In the intelligence profession, that is called politicization.

The former Senate Democrat is Nebraska’s Bob Kerrey, who said this in the pages of USA Today:


I do not need to read the report to know that the Democratic staff alone wrote it. The Republicans checked out early when they determined that their counterparts started out with the premise that the CIA was guilty and then worked to prove it.

When Congress created the intelligence committees in the 1970's, the purpose was for people's representatives to stand above the fray and render balanced judgments about this most sensitive aspect of national security. This committee departed from that high road and slipped into the same partisan mode that marks most of what happens on Capitol Hill these days.

And oh yes… last night on Fox former Vice President Dick Cheney called the report “crap.”

So what we have here are six very serious people (seven counting Cheney) who understand the CIA inside and out and what goes on behind the scenes in the Senate Intelligence Committee inside and out. And all have come to the exact same conclusion.

The CIA Directors put it this way:  


We can only conclude that the committee members or staff did not want to risk having to deal with data that did not fit their construct.

Former Senator Kerrey put it this way:


I do not need to read the report to know that the Democratic staff alone wrote it. The Republicans checked out early when they determined that their counterparts started out with the premise that the CIA was guilty and then worked to prove it.

In other words? What is being described here is a deliberate effort to make the CIA and by extension the country look as bad as it could possibly look, and they were willing to cook the books to accomplish their objective.

But why? There’s the real question.

In the Jewish world there is a term that should be adapted to America. The “self-hating Jew” is defined (here at the Jewish Virtual Library) this way:


A Jew who expresses self-hatred, according to Kurt Lewin [in Resolving Social Conflicts], “will dislike everything specifically Jewish, for he will see in it that which keeps him away from the majority for which he is longing. He will show dislike for those Jews who are outspokenly so, and will frequently indulge in self-hatred.”

Change the word “Jew” to the word “American” and the description reads this way:

“An American who expresses self-hatred… will dislike everything specifically American, for he will see in it that which keeps him away from the majority for which he is longing. He will show dislike for those Americans who are outspokenly so, and will frequently indulge in self-hatred.”

A more exact description of today’s American Left could not be had. “Dislike everything specifically American” extends on a scale of one to ten from the Jonathan Grubers of the world who hold themselves out as so much smarter than their “stupid” fellow Americans all the way to the other end and all those Bill Ayers types who spend their time finding ways to literally blow up the country or this or that part of it. They all feel a dripping contempt for both their countrymen and their country, merely differing on how to express that contempt.

Sometimes that hatred extends to specific, high-profile Americans. All conservatives of course, and Fox and talk radio. But they can’t abide capitalism, Wall Street, the middle class, two-parent heterosexual families of a Mom and Dad. Marriage is a target. Religion certainly, Catholics, Jews, and Evangelical Christians specifically. (Islamic fundamentalism, virulently anti-American, not -so-coincidentally finds favor with the self-haters.) Culturally speaking this would include things like country music or Disney and oh so much more. The contempt expressed by Leftists in various venues for any or all of these things is the epitome of American self-hatred. They hate the country, its people, its history, its culture, and most of all its power.

Anything and everything that spits in the eyes of all of these things and more are made attractive to American self-haters precisely because middle class America may frown on it. Or religious leaders. Or office holders or other authority figures. Legalizing marijuana is not as much about marijuana as it is about the kind of Americans who are in opposition to legalization. If sex is presented in American society as a husband/wife/man/woman relationship than the objective is to go as far in the opposite direction as possible. Gays are, in a real sense, irrelevant to the conversation. The military, like religion, is another target for smirking contempt. Not to mention that ultimate symbol of America — the American flag.

As has been said of the self-hating in the Jewish world, the self-hating American is a “social-psychological phenomenon.” Indeed. In this case that “phenomenon” has targeted the CIA. But the real target is America itself. First, last — and most disturbingly? Always.
.



Reality:  Virtually every one of the CIA directors you cited above has been caught lying to congress and the American people.  Cheney lied about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

When it comes to targeting and damaging America, the pigs you revere are at the very TOP of the list!!

Screw Amerika Inc. Corporate control of our government through campaign financing.

2seaoat



Torture.......and we worry about beheadings.......it is time to find a moral compass and take this country back from those who have no morality.

KarlRove

KarlRove

TEOTWAWKI wrote:I didn't read the article. The CIA is one great big psyop. They just wave the flag, play marching music, talk about mom dad and apple pie and we are just supposed to forget and forgive the monsters....stupid defense for an organization that should have been torn to pieces and scattered to the wind by JFK.


In late April 1961, over fourteen hundred members of the Cuban Expeditionary Forces landed at the Bay of Pigs, in Cuba. Their mission was to overthrow the communist regime of Cuban President Fidel Castro. The mission was a striking failure. Almost immediately it became known that the American Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) trained the "freedom fighters:" Cubans trained to overthrow the Castro regime. American President John F. Kennedy had approved the mission. President Kennedy soon after the failure spoke at a meeting of the American Association of Newspaper Editors and assumed all blame for the failed invasion. His staff then began leaking information to reporters, blaming the failure on anyone except the administration. (1)President Kennedy was quoted as saying, "How could I have been so stupid?" to trust the groups who were advising him, such as the CIA and the Joint Chiefs of Staff (JCS). (2) Even more damning to the CIA was a reputed quote by President Kennedy that he wanted to "splinter the CIA into a thousand pieces and scatter it into the winds." (3)

Why did Kennedy, at the last moment, withdraw air support? You don't invade a country without air support.

KarlRove

KarlRove

Wordslinger wrote:
KarlRove wrote:http://spectator.org/print/61216



The Self-Hating Americans

What the CIA report says about the American Left.

By Jeffrey Lord – 12.11.14





They hate America. They hate themselves for being Americans.

And in a vivid display of just how far self-hating Americans will go to smear their own country, look no further than this quickly infamous leftist-generated so-called CIA report. Its title as bequeathed by the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence: Committee Study of the Central Intelligence Agency's Detention and Interrogation Program.

Three former CIA directors, two former deputy CIA directors, and a former Democratic Senator on the Senate Intelligence Committee have responded in detail to the report pushed out by California’s Senator Dianne Feinstein, the outgoing committee chairwoman. And they have not been kind.

In the Wall Street Journal, the three former CIA directors — George Tenet, Porter Goss, and Michael Hayden — say this:


The Senate Intelligence Committee’s report on Central Intelligence Agency detention and interrogation of terrorists, prepared only by the Democratic majority staff, is a missed opportunity to deliver a serious and balanced study of an important public policy question. The committee has given us instead a one-sided study marred by errors of fact and interpretation—essentially a poorly done and partisan attack on the agency that has done the most to protect America after the 9/11 attacks.

… We can only conclude that the committee members or staff did not want to risk having to deal with data that did not fit their construct. Which is another reason why the study is so flawed. What went on in preparing the report is clear: The staff picked up the signal at the outset that this study was to have a certain outcome, especially with respect to the question of whether the interrogation program produced intelligence that helped stop terrorists. The staff members then “cherry picked” their way through six million pages of documents, ignoring some data and highlighting others, to construct their argument against the program’s effectiveness.

In the intelligence profession, that is called politicization.

The former Senate Democrat is Nebraska’s Bob Kerrey, who said this in the pages of USA Today:


I do not need to read the report to know that the Democratic staff alone wrote it. The Republicans checked out early when they determined that their counterparts started out with the premise that the CIA was guilty and then worked to prove it.

When Congress created the intelligence committees in the 1970's, the purpose was for people's representatives to stand above the fray and render balanced judgments about this most sensitive aspect of national security. This committee departed from that high road and slipped into the same partisan mode that marks most of what happens on Capitol Hill these days.

And oh yes… last night on Fox former Vice President Dick Cheney called the report “crap.”

So what we have here are six very serious people (seven counting Cheney) who understand the CIA inside and out and what goes on behind the scenes in the Senate Intelligence Committee inside and out. And all have come to the exact same conclusion.

The CIA Directors put it this way:  


We can only conclude that the committee members or staff did not want to risk having to deal with data that did not fit their construct.

Former Senator Kerrey put it this way:


I do not need to read the report to know that the Democratic staff alone wrote it. The Republicans checked out early when they determined that their counterparts started out with the premise that the CIA was guilty and then worked to prove it.

In other words? What is being described here is a deliberate effort to make the CIA and by extension the country look as bad as it could possibly look, and they were willing to cook the books to accomplish their objective.

But why? There’s the real question.

In the Jewish world there is a term that should be adapted to America. The “self-hating Jew” is defined (here at the Jewish Virtual Library) this way:


A Jew who expresses self-hatred, according to Kurt Lewin [in Resolving Social Conflicts], “will dislike everything specifically Jewish, for he will see in it that which keeps him away from the majority for which he is longing. He will show dislike for those Jews who are outspokenly so, and will frequently indulge in self-hatred.”

Change the word “Jew” to the word “American” and the description reads this way:

“An American who expresses self-hatred… will dislike everything specifically American, for he will see in it that which keeps him away from the majority for which he is longing. He will show dislike for those Americans who are outspokenly so, and will frequently indulge in self-hatred.”

A more exact description of today’s American Left could not be had. “Dislike everything specifically American” extends on a scale of one to ten from the Jonathan Grubers of the world who hold themselves out as so much smarter than their “stupid” fellow Americans all the way to the other end and all those Bill Ayers types who spend their time finding ways to literally blow up the country or this or that part of it. They all feel a dripping contempt for both their countrymen and their country, merely differing on how to express that contempt.

Sometimes that hatred extends to specific, high-profile Americans. All conservatives of course, and Fox and talk radio. But they can’t abide capitalism, Wall Street, the middle class, two-parent heterosexual families of a Mom and Dad. Marriage is a target. Religion certainly, Catholics, Jews, and Evangelical Christians specifically. (Islamic fundamentalism, virulently anti-American, not -so-coincidentally finds favor with the self-haters.) Culturally speaking this would include things like country music or Disney and oh so much more. The contempt expressed by Leftists in various venues for any or all of these things is the epitome of American self-hatred. They hate the country, its people, its history, its culture, and most of all its power.

Anything and everything that spits in the eyes of all of these things and more are made attractive to American self-haters precisely because middle class America may frown on it. Or religious leaders. Or office holders or other authority figures. Legalizing marijuana is not as much about marijuana as it is about the kind of Americans who are in opposition to legalization. If sex is presented in American society as a husband/wife/man/woman relationship than the objective is to go as far in the opposite direction as possible. Gays are, in a real sense, irrelevant to the conversation. The military, like religion, is another target for smirking contempt. Not to mention that ultimate symbol of America — the American flag.

As has been said of the self-hating in the Jewish world, the self-hating American is a “social-psychological phenomenon.” Indeed. In this case that “phenomenon” has targeted the CIA. But the real target is America itself. First, last — and most disturbingly? Always.
.



Reality:  Virtually every one of the CIA directors you cited above has been caught lying to congress and the American people.  Cheney lied about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

When it comes to targeting and damaging America, the pigs you revere are at the very TOP of the list!!

Screw Amerika Inc. Corporate control of our government through campaign financing.

Reality is that you cannot refute how much you hate America. Please find a country more to your liking.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

John McCain was a combat hero and prisoner of war, Karl.
Do you think when he objects to his country torturing people that it means McCain "hates America"?

On the other hand, Dick Cheney avoided the draft with five different deferments during Vietnam.
Do you think his support of torture means he "loves America"?

lol

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

Were these people "self hating leftists" too,  Karl?

http://www.juancole.com/2014/12/founding-foundational-constitution.html

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

KarlRove wrote:
TEOTWAWKI wrote:I didn't read the article. The CIA is one great big psyop. They just wave the flag, play marching music, talk about mom dad and apple pie and we are just supposed to forget and forgive the monsters....stupid defense for an organization that should have been torn to pieces and scattered to the wind by JFK.


In late April 1961, over fourteen hundred members of the Cuban Expeditionary Forces landed at the Bay of Pigs, in Cuba. Their mission was to overthrow the communist regime of Cuban President Fidel Castro. The mission was a striking failure. Almost immediately it became known that the American Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) trained the "freedom fighters:" Cubans trained to overthrow the Castro regime. American President John F. Kennedy had approved the mission. President Kennedy soon after the failure spoke at a meeting of the American Association of Newspaper Editors and assumed all blame for the failed invasion. His staff then began leaking information to reporters, blaming the failure on anyone except the administration. (1)President Kennedy was quoted as saying, "How could I have been so stupid?" to trust the groups who were advising him, such as the CIA and the Joint Chiefs of Staff (JCS). (2) Even more damning to the CIA was a reputed quote by President Kennedy that he wanted to "splinter the CIA into a thousand pieces and scatter it into the winds." (3)

Why did Kennedy, at the last moment, withdraw air support? You don't invade a country without air support.

Because the CIA tried to mount an attack against Cuba behind his back.

KarlRove

KarlRove

Floridatexan wrote:
KarlRove wrote:
TEOTWAWKI wrote:I didn't read the article. The CIA is one great big psyop. They just wave the flag, play marching music, talk about mom dad and apple pie and we are just supposed to forget and forgive the monsters....stupid defense for an organization that should have been torn to pieces and scattered to the wind by JFK.


In late April 1961, over fourteen hundred members of the Cuban Expeditionary Forces landed at the Bay of Pigs, in Cuba. Their mission was to overthrow the communist regime of Cuban President Fidel Castro. The mission was a striking failure. Almost immediately it became known that the American Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) trained the "freedom fighters:" Cubans trained to overthrow the Castro regime. American President John F. Kennedy had approved the mission. President Kennedy soon after the failure spoke at a meeting of the American Association of Newspaper Editors and assumed all blame for the failed invasion. His staff then began leaking information to reporters, blaming the failure on anyone except the administration. (1)President Kennedy was quoted as saying, "How could I have been so stupid?" to trust the groups who were advising him, such as the CIA and the Joint Chiefs of Staff (JCS). (2) Even more damning to the CIA was a reputed quote by President Kennedy that he wanted to "splinter the CIA into a thousand pieces and scatter it into the winds." (3)

Why did Kennedy, at the last moment, withdraw air support? You don't invade a country without air support.

Because the CIA tried to mount an attack against Cuba behind his back.  

You missed this:

American President John F. Kennedy had approved the mission.

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

Yes he did and there was air support but it was poorly planned and executed by the CIA the previous day and Kennedy pulled out because the effort was ineffective and doomed to fail. The president wanted plausible deniability

Following the air strikes on airfields on 15 April 1961, the FAR managed to prepare for armed action at least four T-33s, four Sea Furies and five or six B-26s. All three types were armed with machine guns (20mm cannon, in the case of the Sea Furies) for air-to-air combat and for strafing of ships and ground targets. CIA planners had failed to discover that the US-supplied T-33 jets had long been armed with M-3 machine guns. The three types could also carry bombs, for attacks against ships and tanks.[107]
No additional air strikes against Cuban airfields and aircraft were specifically planned before 17 April, because B-26 pilots' exaggerated claims gave the CIA false confidence in the success of the 15 April attacks, until U-2 reconnaissance photos on 16 April showed otherwise. Late on 16 April, President Kennedy ordered cancellation of further airfield strikes planned for dawn on 17 April, to attempt plausible deniability of US direct involvement.[73]


It was supposed to be a clandestine operation without direct US support. The CIA used unmarked planes and contractors in the attack but Kennedy refused to send in additional American marked planes to support it. Kennedy trusted the CIA and the CIA poorly planned and executed the mission but felt they could ultimately draw Kennedy and the full weight of the American military in if they could just get the fire started....They blamed Kennedy but the fault was in fact with the CIA.

Floridatexan

Floridatexan


And your source is another right-wing Reaganite crackpot.

ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

TEOTWAWKI wrote:Yes he did and there was air support but it was poorly planned and executed by the CIA the previous day and Kennedy pulled out because the effort was ineffective and doomed to fail. The president wanted plausible deniability

Following the air strikes on airfields on 15 April 1961, the FAR managed to prepare for armed action at least four T-33s, four Sea Furies and five or six B-26s. All three types were armed with machine guns (20mm cannon, in the case of the Sea Furies) for air-to-air combat and for strafing of ships and ground targets. CIA planners had failed to discover that the US-supplied T-33 jets had long been armed with M-3 machine guns. The three types could also carry bombs, for attacks against ships and tanks.[107]
No additional air strikes against Cuban airfields and aircraft were specifically planned before 17 April, because B-26 pilots' exaggerated claims gave the CIA false confidence in the success of the 15 April attacks, until U-2 reconnaissance photos on 16 April showed otherwise. Late on 16 April, President Kennedy ordered cancellation of further airfield strikes planned for dawn on 17 April, to attempt plausible deniability of US direct involvement.[73]


It was supposed to be a clandestine operation without direct US support. The CIA used unmarked planes and contractors in the attack but Kennedy refused to send in additional American marked planes to support it. Kennedy trusted the CIA and the CIA poorly planned and executed the mission but felt they could ultimately draw Kennedy and the full weight of the American military in if they could just get the fire started....They blamed Kennedy but the fault was in fact with the CIA.

John Kennedy had his hands full. He had a corrupt CIA making trouble all over the world, as well as an Air Force Chief of Staff (Curtis Lemay) who was itching to start a nuclear war with the USSR. The military was infested with hawks who wanted a real shooting war in Vietnam. He stood up against all of this, and those forces had to kill him to get him out of the way.

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Wordslinger

Wordslinger

KarlRove wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:
KarlRove wrote:http://spectator.org/print/61216



The Self-Hating Americans

What the CIA report says about the American Left.

By Jeffrey Lord – 12.11.14





They hate America. They hate themselves for being Americans.

And in a vivid display of just how far self-hating Americans will go to smear their own country, look no further than this quickly infamous leftist-generated so-called CIA report. Its title as bequeathed by the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence: Committee Study of the Central Intelligence Agency's Detention and Interrogation Program.

Three former CIA directors, two former deputy CIA directors, and a former Democratic Senator on the Senate Intelligence Committee have responded in detail to the report pushed out by California’s Senator Dianne Feinstein, the outgoing committee chairwoman. And they have not been kind.

In the Wall Street Journal, the three former CIA directors — George Tenet, Porter Goss, and Michael Hayden — say this:


The Senate Intelligence Committee’s report on Central Intelligence Agency detention and interrogation of terrorists, prepared only by the Democratic majority staff, is a missed opportunity to deliver a serious and balanced study of an important public policy question. The committee has given us instead a one-sided study marred by errors of fact and interpretation—essentially a poorly done and partisan attack on the agency that has done the most to protect America after the 9/11 attacks.

… We can only conclude that the committee members or staff did not want to risk having to deal with data that did not fit their construct. Which is another reason why the study is so flawed. What went on in preparing the report is clear: The staff picked up the signal at the outset that this study was to have a certain outcome, especially with respect to the question of whether the interrogation program produced intelligence that helped stop terrorists. The staff members then “cherry picked” their way through six million pages of documents, ignoring some data and highlighting others, to construct their argument against the program’s effectiveness.

In the intelligence profession, that is called politicization.

The former Senate Democrat is Nebraska’s Bob Kerrey, who said this in the pages of USA Today:


I do not need to read the report to know that the Democratic staff alone wrote it. The Republicans checked out early when they determined that their counterparts started out with the premise that the CIA was guilty and then worked to prove it.

When Congress created the intelligence committees in the 1970's, the purpose was for people's representatives to stand above the fray and render balanced judgments about this most sensitive aspect of national security. This committee departed from that high road and slipped into the same partisan mode that marks most of what happens on Capitol Hill these days.

And oh yes… last night on Fox former Vice President Dick Cheney called the report “crap.”

So what we have here are six very serious people (seven counting Cheney) who understand the CIA inside and out and what goes on behind the scenes in the Senate Intelligence Committee inside and out. And all have come to the exact same conclusion.

The CIA Directors put it this way:  


We can only conclude that the committee members or staff did not want to risk having to deal with data that did not fit their construct.

Former Senator Kerrey put it this way:


I do not need to read the report to know that the Democratic staff alone wrote it. The Republicans checked out early when they determined that their counterparts started out with the premise that the CIA was guilty and then worked to prove it.

In other words? What is being described here is a deliberate effort to make the CIA and by extension the country look as bad as it could possibly look, and they were willing to cook the books to accomplish their objective.

But why? There’s the real question.

In the Jewish world there is a term that should be adapted to America. The “self-hating Jew” is defined (here at the Jewish Virtual Library) this way:


A Jew who expresses self-hatred, according to Kurt Lewin [in Resolving Social Conflicts], “will dislike everything specifically Jewish, for he will see in it that which keeps him away from the majority for which he is longing. He will show dislike for those Jews who are outspokenly so, and will frequently indulge in self-hatred.”

Change the word “Jew” to the word “American” and the description reads this way:

“An American who expresses self-hatred… will dislike everything specifically American, for he will see in it that which keeps him away from the majority for which he is longing. He will show dislike for those Americans who are outspokenly so, and will frequently indulge in self-hatred.”

A more exact description of today’s American Left could not be had. “Dislike everything specifically American” extends on a scale of one to ten from the Jonathan Grubers of the world who hold themselves out as so much smarter than their “stupid” fellow Americans all the way to the other end and all those Bill Ayers types who spend their time finding ways to literally blow up the country or this or that part of it. They all feel a dripping contempt for both their countrymen and their country, merely differing on how to express that contempt.

Sometimes that hatred extends to specific, high-profile Americans. All conservatives of course, and Fox and talk radio. But they can’t abide capitalism, Wall Street, the middle class, two-parent heterosexual families of a Mom and Dad. Marriage is a target. Religion certainly, Catholics, Jews, and Evangelical Christians specifically. (Islamic fundamentalism, virulently anti-American, not -so-coincidentally finds favor with the self-haters.) Culturally speaking this would include things like country music or Disney and oh so much more. The contempt expressed by Leftists in various venues for any or all of these things is the epitome of American self-hatred. They hate the country, its people, its history, its culture, and most of all its power.

Anything and everything that spits in the eyes of all of these things and more are made attractive to American self-haters precisely because middle class America may frown on it. Or religious leaders. Or office holders or other authority figures. Legalizing marijuana is not as much about marijuana as it is about the kind of Americans who are in opposition to legalization. If sex is presented in American society as a husband/wife/man/woman relationship than the objective is to go as far in the opposite direction as possible. Gays are, in a real sense, irrelevant to the conversation. The military, like religion, is another target for smirking contempt. Not to mention that ultimate symbol of America — the American flag.

As has been said of the self-hating in the Jewish world, the self-hating American is a “social-psychological phenomenon.” Indeed. In this case that “phenomenon” has targeted the CIA. But the real target is America itself. First, last — and most disturbingly? Always.
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Reality:  Virtually every one of the CIA directors you cited above has been caught lying to congress and the American people.  Cheney lied about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

When it comes to targeting and damaging America, the pigs you revere are at the very TOP of the list!!

Screw Amerika Inc. Corporate control of our government through campaign financing.

Reality  is that you cannot refute how much you hate America. Please find a country more to your liking.


I don't hate America, I hate our foreign policy!
We already know where you stand -- God's on our side, torturing ragheads is okay, and it's our manifest destiny to rule the Mid East.

I'm grateful, truly grateful assholes like you represent such a small portion of America.

Go beget yourself punk.

knothead

knothead

I read the first paragraph and realized that the author is seriously off the mark to say it kindly . . . . . not worth anyone's time certainly not mine! It is based on ridiculous assumptions . . . .

KarlRove

KarlRove

by Bob Today at 11:08 am
Were these people "self hating leftists" too, Karl?

http://www.juancole.com/2014/12/founding-foundational-constitution.html
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Yes it was a thought but not written into the
Constitution. Sorry, try
Again

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

Do you know what the Eighth Amendment is,  Karl?

If that Scalia butthole doesn't understand that torture would be covered by the words "cruel and unusual",  then what in fuck does "cruel and unusual" mean for christs sake?

KarlRove

KarlRove

Doesn't apply in a time of war to enemy
Combatants.

Never has.

Never will.

It's the same reason these scumbags will not be held in the US nor tried here.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

KarlRove wrote:Doesn't apply in a time of war to enemy
Combatants.

See now you're contradicting your own reasoning.

First you tell us since the specific word "torture" is not in the Constitution, that this means torture is not covered by the Constitution.

But NOW you're using the exact opposite reasoning. Because now you're telling us what the Constitution says about dealing with enemy combatants, when there is no mention of the words "enemy combatant" or specifically how to deal with them in the Constitution either.

I already gave you a link today to educate you about the attitude of the Founders when it comes to torture.
Here is a whole slew of links to inform you of the same thing...

https://www.google.com/search?q=founding+fathers+on+torture&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

KarlRove

KarlRove

Bob wrote:
KarlRove wrote:Doesn't apply in a time of war to enemy
Combatants.

See now you're contradicting your own reasoning.  

First you tell us since the specific word "torture" is not in the Constitution,  that this means torture is not covered by the Constitution.

But NOW you're using the exact opposite reasoning.  Because now you're telling us what the Constitution says about dealing with enemy combatants,  when there is no mention of the words "enemy combatant" or specifically how to deal with them in the Constitution either.

I already gave you a link today to educate you about the attitude of the Founders when it comes to torture.
Here is a whole slew of links to inform you of the same thing...

https://www.google.com/search?q=founding+fathers+on+torture&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8


Keep making it up as you go along....if it makes you feel better.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

If I was smart enough to make up that whole page of google links I provided you, I wouldn't be sitting here. I'd be busy inventing the cure for cancer so I could get rich. lol

Floridatexan

Floridatexan


I read a comment at the site you provided, Bob. It was from the author. He stated that none of the detainees came from a battlefield. If that's true, then none of the detainees should have been tried in a military court. So whatever point the constitutional imbeciles are trying to make here is moot.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

It's a lot worse than that, tex.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2008/06/15/38773/day-1-americas-prison-for-terrorists.html

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

I was listening to the local call-in talk show on WEBY this afternoon.  And of course torture was the topic.

A caller called and asked the host a question.  Here is what he said...

"Let's say your son is kidnapped.  And then the police name the suspect who did it and arrest him but he won't tell them where your son is.
And then you have a chance to get in a room with the suspect.  Wouldn't you be willing to use any kind of torture or anything else to get this person to tell you where your son is?"


And here's my question to everyone here including Karl Rove,  in fact especially Karl Rove.
Do you agree with the caller?  And if not,  why not?

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

That's why they have professionals handling such cases. Of course if you let emotions control the handling of the criminal investigation the criminal will use that against you. Anyway what are you going to do? Kill him..kind of ruins your main objective...

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