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52 Re: Supreme Court Decision on Hobby Lobby birth control position 7/1/2014, 9:09 am
nadalfan
While some conservatives celebrate this decision as a victory, it will be interesting to see if it has a political effect, in particular among women voters.
53 Re: Supreme Court Decision on Hobby Lobby birth control position 7/1/2014, 9:30 am
Joanimaroni
nadalfan wrote:While some conservatives celebrate this decision as a victory, it will be interesting to see if it has a political effect, in particular among women voters.
So Democratic protest organizers are banking on the fact women are stupid enough to believe the hype without figuring out what Hobby Lobby covers and does not cover.
54 Re: Supreme Court Decision on Hobby Lobby birth control position 7/1/2014, 9:40 am
othershoe1030
The decision could become code for "Republicans don't support equal rights for women" or We Democrats care about women's health and R's don't, etc.Joanimaroni wrote:nadalfan wrote:While some conservatives celebrate this decision as a victory, it will be interesting to see if it has a political effect, in particular among women voters.
So Democratic protest organizers are banking on the fact women are stupid enough to believe the hype without figuring out what Hobby Lobby covers and does not cover.
Whether this makes sense in the legal world is way beside the point. If it strikes a chord and rallies women voters it will be used.
Think of all the junk the so called republicans have used over the years to rile up their followers...obviously the truth/reality of the situation is beside the point. If it works it will be used. You can bet on it.
55 Re: Supreme Court Decision on Hobby Lobby birth control position 7/1/2014, 9:46 am
2seaoat
While some conservatives celebrate this decision as a victory, it will be interesting to see if it has a political effect, in particular among women voters.
The polls have indicated that women, not men are not happy with the decision. My wife is a die hard Republican, and she is very angry with the discrimination against women and that men can get viagra paid for and women get pregnant from those men and when they go to get totally legal medications to avoid pregnancy, they have the company they work for telling them which medications THEY will allow. As she said, women are being treated like second class citizens. I would agree. Now if this will have an effect on the mid terms.......I do not think so. I definitely think this will add to the democratic margins in the 2016 election because of the vacancies on the Supreme Court and the idea that corporations have become people with religious beliefs. Some corporations hold very strong beliefs that slavery is bibical and that we should return to slavery.....prior Supreme Court decisions rejected unanimously the logic which this court has applied.
Narrowly applied......no big deal, just bad law, and I am certain that this decision based on precedent will be overturned within 10 years, it will become increasingly clear why as the floodgate opens and lawsuits commence on the equal protection aspects which the court did not address, but certainly prior courts did.
The polls have indicated that women, not men are not happy with the decision. My wife is a die hard Republican, and she is very angry with the discrimination against women and that men can get viagra paid for and women get pregnant from those men and when they go to get totally legal medications to avoid pregnancy, they have the company they work for telling them which medications THEY will allow. As she said, women are being treated like second class citizens. I would agree. Now if this will have an effect on the mid terms.......I do not think so. I definitely think this will add to the democratic margins in the 2016 election because of the vacancies on the Supreme Court and the idea that corporations have become people with religious beliefs. Some corporations hold very strong beliefs that slavery is bibical and that we should return to slavery.....prior Supreme Court decisions rejected unanimously the logic which this court has applied.
Narrowly applied......no big deal, just bad law, and I am certain that this decision based on precedent will be overturned within 10 years, it will become increasingly clear why as the floodgate opens and lawsuits commence on the equal protection aspects which the court did not address, but certainly prior courts did.
56 Re: Supreme Court Decision on Hobby Lobby birth control position 7/1/2014, 9:46 am
Joanimaroni
othershoe1030 wrote:The decision could become code for "Republicans don't support equal rights for women" or We Democrats care about women's health and R's don't, etc.Joanimaroni wrote:nadalfan wrote:While some conservatives celebrate this decision as a victory, it will be interesting to see if it has a political effect, in particular among women voters.
So Democratic protest organizers are banking on the fact women are stupid enough to believe the hype without figuring out what Hobby Lobby covers and does not cover.
Whether this makes sense in the legal world is way beside the point. If it strikes a chord and rallies women voters it will be used.
Think of all the junk the so called republicans have used over the years to rile up their followers...obviously the truth/reality of the situation is beside the point. If it works it will be used. You can bet on it.
Exactly what the Democrat protesters are doing. Forget the facts of what Hobby Lobby insurance covers and focus on the 4 drugs not covered.
Again, it does not prohibit women from purchasing the emergency "morning after pill" on their own.
57 Re: Supreme Court Decision on Hobby Lobby birth control position 7/1/2014, 9:51 am
dumpcare
[quote="2seaoat"][b]While some conservatives celebrate this decision as a victory, it will be interesting to see if it has a political effect, in particular among women voters.
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The polls have indicated that women, not men are not happy with the decision. My wife is a die hard Republican, and she is very angry with the discrimination against women and that men can get viagra paid for and women get pregnant from those men and when they go to get totally legal medications to avoid pregnancy, they have the company they work for telling them which medications THEY will allow. As she said, women are being treated like second class citizens. I would agree. Now if this will have an effect on the mid terms.......I do not think so. I definitely think this will add to the democratic margins in the 2016 election because of the vacancies on the Supreme Court and the idea that corporations have become people with religious beliefs. Some corporations hold very strong beliefs that slavery is bibical and that we should return to slavery.....prior Supreme Court decisions rejected unanimously the logic which this court has applied.
Narrowly applied......no big deal, just bad law, and I am certain that this decision based on precedent will be overturned within 10 years, it will become increasingly clear why as the floodgate opens and lawsuits commence on the equal protection aspects which the court did not address, but certainly prior courts did.[/quote]
It's very out of the ordinary for an insurance company to cover viagra, there are a few instances after prostate surgery I know some will cover for 3 or 4 months, but I don't know of one that will cover it on a regular basis in Florida, they may in other states.
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The polls have indicated that women, not men are not happy with the decision. My wife is a die hard Republican, and she is very angry with the discrimination against women and that men can get viagra paid for and women get pregnant from those men and when they go to get totally legal medications to avoid pregnancy, they have the company they work for telling them which medications THEY will allow. As she said, women are being treated like second class citizens. I would agree. Now if this will have an effect on the mid terms.......I do not think so. I definitely think this will add to the democratic margins in the 2016 election because of the vacancies on the Supreme Court and the idea that corporations have become people with religious beliefs. Some corporations hold very strong beliefs that slavery is bibical and that we should return to slavery.....prior Supreme Court decisions rejected unanimously the logic which this court has applied.
Narrowly applied......no big deal, just bad law, and I am certain that this decision based on precedent will be overturned within 10 years, it will become increasingly clear why as the floodgate opens and lawsuits commence on the equal protection aspects which the court did not address, but certainly prior courts did.[/quote]
It's very out of the ordinary for an insurance company to cover viagra, there are a few instances after prostate surgery I know some will cover for 3 or 4 months, but I don't know of one that will cover it on a regular basis in Florida, they may in other states.
58 Re: Supreme Court Decision on Hobby Lobby birth control position 7/1/2014, 9:58 am
Joanimaroni
[quote="ppaca"][quote="2seaoat"][b]While some conservatives celebrate this decision as a victory, it will be interesting to see if it has a political effect, in particular among women voters.
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The polls have indicated that women, not men are not happy with the decision. My wife is a die hard Republican, and she is very angry with the discrimination against women and that men can get viagra paid for and women get pregnant from those men and when they go to get totally legal medications to avoid pregnancy, they have the company they work for telling them which medications THEY will allow. As she said, women are being treated like second class citizens. I would agree. Now if this will have an effect on the mid terms.......I do not think so. I definitely think this will add to the democratic margins in the 2016 election because of the vacancies on the Supreme Court and the idea that corporations have become people with religious beliefs. Some corporations hold very strong beliefs that slavery is bibical and that we should return to slavery.....prior Supreme Court decisions rejected unanimously the logic which this court has applied.
Narrowly applied......no big deal, just bad law, and I am certain that this decision based on precedent will be overturned within 10 years, it will become increasingly clear why as the floodgate opens and lawsuits commence on the equal protection aspects which the court did not address, but certainly prior courts did.[/quote]
It's very out of the ordinary for an insurance company to cover viagra, there are a few instances after prostate surgery I know some will cover for 3 or 4 months, but I don't know of one that will cover it on a regular basis in Florida, they may in other states.[/quote]
Does your wife realize Hobby Lobby covers most birth control pills?
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The polls have indicated that women, not men are not happy with the decision. My wife is a die hard Republican, and she is very angry with the discrimination against women and that men can get viagra paid for and women get pregnant from those men and when they go to get totally legal medications to avoid pregnancy, they have the company they work for telling them which medications THEY will allow. As she said, women are being treated like second class citizens. I would agree. Now if this will have an effect on the mid terms.......I do not think so. I definitely think this will add to the democratic margins in the 2016 election because of the vacancies on the Supreme Court and the idea that corporations have become people with religious beliefs. Some corporations hold very strong beliefs that slavery is bibical and that we should return to slavery.....prior Supreme Court decisions rejected unanimously the logic which this court has applied.
Narrowly applied......no big deal, just bad law, and I am certain that this decision based on precedent will be overturned within 10 years, it will become increasingly clear why as the floodgate opens and lawsuits commence on the equal protection aspects which the court did not address, but certainly prior courts did.[/quote]
It's very out of the ordinary for an insurance company to cover viagra, there are a few instances after prostate surgery I know some will cover for 3 or 4 months, but I don't know of one that will cover it on a regular basis in Florida, they may in other states.[/quote]
Does your wife realize Hobby Lobby covers most birth control pills?
59 Re: Supreme Court Decision on Hobby Lobby birth control position 7/1/2014, 10:06 am
Guest
Guest
othershoe1030 wrote:The decision could become code for "Republicans don't support equal rights for women" or We Democrats care about women's health and R's don't, etc.Joanimaroni wrote:nadalfan wrote:While some conservatives celebrate this decision as a victory, it will be interesting to see if it has a political effect, in particular among women voters.
So Democratic protest organizers are banking on the fact women are stupid enough to believe the hype without figuring out what Hobby Lobby covers and does not cover.
Whether this makes sense in the legal world is way beside the point. If it strikes a chord and rallies women voters it will be used.
Think of all the junk the so called republicans have used over the years to rile up their followers...obviously the truth/reality of the situation is beside the point. If it works it will be used. You can bet on it.
And you can bet on the FACT that HL already provides 16 forms of contraception that DO NOT KILL FETUSES formed in the womb. Liberals are ignoring that fact. That is the difference.
60 Re: Supreme Court Decision on Hobby Lobby birth control position 7/1/2014, 10:19 am
Sal
2seaoat wrote:I definitely think this will add to the democratic margins in the 2016 election because of the vacancies on the Supreme Court
American voters aren't smart/savvy enough to think in those terms.
See Ralph Nader.
61 Re: Supreme Court Decision on Hobby Lobby birth control position 7/1/2014, 11:02 am
Sal
Joanimaroni wrote:Sal wrote:V*iagra and vasectomies are covered, and Hobby Lobby has no prob with that.
Go figure ....
You can't figure it out?
Figure what out.
The ambiguous and arbitrary nature of this ruling make it very difficult to make sense of any of it.
Read Alito's opinion ....
The Hahns and Greens believe that providing the coverage demanded by the HHS regulations is connected to the destruction of an embryo in a way that is sufficient to make it immoral for them to provide the coverage. This belief implicates a difficult and important question of religion and moral philosophy, namely, the circumstances under which it is wrong for a person to perform an act that is innocent in itself but that has the effect of enabling or facilitating the commission of an immoral act by another. Arrogating the authority to provide a binding national answer to this religious and philosophical question, HHS and the principal dissent in effect tell the plaintiffs that their beliefs are flawed. For good reason, we have repeatedly refused to take such a step. See, e.g., Smith, 494 U. S., at 887 (“Repeatedly and in many different contexts, we have warned that courts must not presume to determine . . . the plausibility of a religious claim”)
He basically concedes that taking certain forms of birth control is an immoral act, and then turns around and says the Court should take no position on whether taking certain forms of birth control is an immoral act.
This is either very sloppy writing or very twisted logic.
Either way, it's coming from the highest court in the land, and that's just pathetic.
62 Re: Supreme Court Decision on Hobby Lobby birth control position 7/1/2014, 11:11 am
Joanimaroni
Simplify it.....4 drugs, only 4 drugs are excluded....not 20 contraceptives only 4. Sixteen contraceptives are covered.
63 Re: Supreme Court Decision on Hobby Lobby birth control position 7/1/2014, 11:11 am
Guest
Guest
SAL................But, but, but you were dancing in the streets when the ACA passed.... 
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64 Re: Supreme Court Decision on Hobby Lobby birth control position 7/1/2014, 11:11 am
Guest
Guest
Joanie, the liberals here on the board have seen that fact in every post about this topic, but choose to ignore it.
65 Re: Supreme Court Decision on Hobby Lobby birth control position 7/1/2014, 11:17 am
Joanimaroni
PACEDOG#1 wrote:Joanie, the liberals here on the board have seen that fact in every post about this topic, but choose to ignore it.
Chrissy and I have discussed for years how insurance companies control healthcare. The liberals, however, ignore what has been occurring at he hands of the insurance corporations. Now they jump on the bandwagon because HL has religious values. Selective outrage.
66 Re: Supreme Court Decision on Hobby Lobby birth control position 7/1/2014, 11:34 am
Sal
Joanimaroni wrote:Simplify it.....4 drugs, only 4 drugs are excluded....not 20 contraceptives only 4. Sixteen contraceptives are covered.
It's arbitrary and based on subjective religious beliefs which makes for a bad ruling.
67 Re: Supreme Court Decision on Hobby Lobby birth control position 7/1/2014, 11:45 am
Sal
I'll just leave this here .....
68 Re: Supreme Court Decision on Hobby Lobby birth control position 7/1/2014, 11:54 am
Guest
Guest
Crux of the issue- Purposely paying for contraception used to kill fetuses is against their religion. Preventing pregnancy is another matter. They fund 16 different forms. How hard is that to understand?
69 Re: Supreme Court Decision on Hobby Lobby birth control position 7/1/2014, 11:56 am
Joanimaroni
Sal wrote:Joanimaroni wrote:Simplify it.....4 drugs, only 4 drugs are excluded....not 20 contraceptives only 4. Sixteen contraceptives are covered.
It's arbitrary and based on subjective religious beliefs which makes for a bad ruling.
Do you boycott religious affiliated hospitals? How about insurance companies that only provide coverage at a, let's say a Catholic hospital.
70 Re: Supreme Court Decision on Hobby Lobby birth control position 7/1/2014, 11:56 am
Guest
Guest
Sal wrote:Joanimaroni wrote:Simplify it.....4 drugs, only 4 drugs are excluded....not 20 contraceptives only 4. Sixteen contraceptives are covered.
It's arbitrary and based on subjective religious beliefs which makes for a bad ruling.
What makes you think your subjective beliefs are any better than someone else's?
*****CHUCKLE*****
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cQNkIrg-Tk
71 Re: Supreme Court Decision on Hobby Lobby birth control position 7/1/2014, 11:58 am
Sal
Joanimaroni wrote:
Do you boycott religious affiliated hospitals? How about insurance companies that only provide coverage at a, let's say a Catholic hospital.
I don't want my taxes to pay for drone programs that kill civilians.
It goes against my deeply held religious convictions.
Where's my SCOTUS exemption?
72 Re: Supreme Court Decision on Hobby Lobby birth control position 7/1/2014, 12:14 pm
Guest
Guest
Sal wrote:Joanimaroni wrote:
Do you boycott religious affiliated hospitals? How about insurance companies that only provide coverage at a, let's say a Catholic hospital.
I don't want my taxes to pay for drone programs that kill civilians.
It goes against my deeply held religious convictions.
Where's my SCOTUS exemption?
Last time I checked the government wasn't a private corporation.
So you're just going to have to gain enough support to demand the government to drop the program or live with it.
*****CHUCKLE*****
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQzUCO7rG0M
73 Re: Supreme Court Decision on Hobby Lobby birth control position 7/1/2014, 12:24 pm
Guest
Guest
by Sal Today at 11:34 am
Joanimaroni wrote:
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Simplify it.....4 drugs, only 4 drugs are excluded....not 20 contraceptives only 4. Sixteen contraceptives are covered.
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It's arbitrary and based on subjective religious beliefs which makes for a bad ruling.
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Muslims get taxpayer funded lunch programs to provide Halal meals for their kids in their private Islamic schools even here in Florida.
Joanimaroni wrote:
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Simplify it.....4 drugs, only 4 drugs are excluded....not 20 contraceptives only 4. Sixteen contraceptives are covered.
”
It's arbitrary and based on subjective religious beliefs which makes for a bad ruling.
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Muslims get taxpayer funded lunch programs to provide Halal meals for their kids in their private Islamic schools even here in Florida.
74 Re: Supreme Court Decision on Hobby Lobby birth control position 7/1/2014, 11:43 pm
Markle
Floridatexan wrote:
A corporation cannot have religious beliefs.
Typical for Floridatexan, foolish statements with no thought.
A church is a corporation, a non-profit corporation. Does a church NOT have religious beliefs?
75 Re: Supreme Court Decision on Hobby Lobby birth control position 7/1/2014, 11:54 pm
Markle
Joanimaroni wrote:Sal wrote:V*iagra and vasectomies are covered, and Hobby Lobby has no prob with that.
Go figure ....
You can't figure it out?
Obviously Sal's parents never had THAT discussion with him about the birds and the bees. Perhaps someone could PM him those facts so as to not humiliate him.
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