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Zika tests Catholic position on birth control

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http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/03/health/zika-tests-catholic-position-on-birth-control/index.html


If this isn't evidence for the idea that religion presents an existential threat to humanity, what is?  Note that I'm not saying that Zika itself poses a major threat to wipe out humanity.  Instead, I'm focusing on the idea that we have scientific, medical means at our disposal that can be clinically shown to improve our situation with respect to this virus, but the roadblock to implementing said course of action is barbaric, ancient beliefs.   That we even have to stop and have this conversation should be an eye opener to the religious on this forum. When we view the idea of appeasing a mythological god from the iron age as a higher priority than securing our own survival in the near term...well...

Science has produced a safe, effective way to control birth and, thus, control the spread of Zika to some degree; though religious dogma tells us that Yahweh - an iron age god who called for all sorts of brutal genocide and atrocity - says that birth control is evil.   Sorry, hardworking scientists and doctors.  I guess we'll have to side with Yahweh on this one.



(CNN)Zika-infected mosquitoes aren't just causing medical problems, they're creating a theological conundrum for the Roman Catholic Church, according to priests and other experts.

The church has long forbidden nearly every form of birth control, but health officials in some Latin American countries have advised women not to get pregnant, because the virus has been linked to an incurable and often devastating neurological birth defect.

"I've never seen this advice before, and when you hear it, you think, 'What are the bishops going to do?'" said the Rev. John Paris, a bioethicist and Catholic priest at Boston College.

"It's going to present a lot of problems for the bishops to sort out," echoed Daniel Ramirez, an assistant professor of history and American culture at the University of Michigan and an expert on Latin American religious culture.

"They're going to have to really thread a fine theological needle here," he added.

It's not entirely clear what the chances are that a pregnant woman who contracts Zika will have a baby with microcephaly. Babies with the defect have small heads and abnormal brain growth and often have developmental delays, seizures, problems with movement and speech, and other issues.

According to the Brazil Ministry of Health, from November 8 through January 30, 404 babies were born with microcephaly, an unusually high number. Seventeen of these cases have been linked to Zika. Authorities are investigating another 3,670 suspected cases of microcephaly.

Colombian officials said they calculate that during the course of the current Zika epidemic, 500 newborns will be born with microcephaly, and 500 newborns will have a neurological disorder called Guillain-Barre syndrome.

In December, authorities in Brazil urged women not to get pregnant. Then last month came the warning from Colombia to delay pregnancy until July. Then in an interview, a health official in El Salvador recommended that women "try to avoid getting pregnant this year and the next."

Does this mean couples in these largely Catholic countries should abstain from sex for two years? Or should they use so-called "natural family planning"? The method, which involves a woman monitoring her basal body temperature and vaginal secretions to avoid having sex at fertile times of the month, has a 25% failure rate, according to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.

Or, because of Zika, should couples use more effective methods of birth control?

So far, the church hierarchy has remained silent on these questions.

The Catholic catechism states that besides "natural family planning," anything else that works to "'render procreation impossible' is intrinsically evil."

The Rev. Father Frank Pavone, national director of Priests for Life, said that means birth control is wrong no matter what. "That prohibition doesn't change based on circumstances," he said. "So couples have a responsibility to live according to the church's teachings in whatever circumstances they find themselves."

But other priests don't see it that way.

"The polemical approach, that contraception is devious or demonic in origin or the smoke of Satan, may ultimately not be the best pastoral approach," said the Rev. James Bretzke, a professor of theology at Boston College.

He said in the face of such consequences -- in this case, a baby who could suffer greatly -- he thinks the church might not be so hard line, especially under the leadership of Pope Francis, who has taken a more merciful stance on many social issues from abortion to homosexuality and is himself from South America, where Zika has taken such a heavy toll.

"In Catholic Church teaching, some would say it would be acceptable to try to prevent conception in cases like this," Bretzke said.

Paris, the bioethicist, agreed that extenuating circumstances call for more nuanced approaches. "In the older world, you couldn't eat meat on Friday, but if you were starving and meat was the only food available, of course you would eat meat," he said.

Or consider German families who in the aftermath of World War II stole coal, he said. "The Bible says 'thou shalt not steal,' but is it wrong for a father to go get a bucket of coal to keep his family from freezing to death? The answer is no, of course not," Paris said.

Representatives of the Latin American Bishops Council did not respond to inquiries from CNN. Pavone said he expects the bishops will at some point issue a statement instructing Catholics not to use "artificial" birth control.

But Bretzke and Paris, who like Pope Francis are Jesuits, said they think the church will likely remain silent on the issue. "It'll be interesting to see whether and how Catholic leaders in these countries weigh in," Bretzke said.

Ramirez, the historian from the University of Michigan, noted that practically speaking, it might not matter. As in the United States, many Catholics in Latin America don't follow the church's advice on birth control anyway. According to a survey by the Spanish-language television network Univision, 88% of Mexicans, 91% of Colombians and 93% of Brazilians support the use of contraceptives.

Ramirez said he thinks the Catholic Church might weigh in on Zika and birth control, perhaps at the highest level. By the end of next month, Pope Francis is expected to deliver an apostolic exhortation on family life. His report will take into consideration recommendations from bishops around the world, who discussed such issues in a synod, or meeting, in Rome last fall.

"I think the situation with Zika might cause the Vatican to add a couple of caveats to whatever document is coming out on the synod," Ramirez said. "And there will be some leeway in the Francisco era for a more nuanced approach to the contraception question."

He said he thinks the approach will consider the unprecedented situation that Zika presents.

"I think the message will be that whatever you as married Catholics decide to do, we will walk with you," he said. "That we'll encourage you to follow the church's precepts, but when you don't, we will still love and accept you."


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http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/florida-governor-declares-emergency-due-to-zika/ar-BBp5rl4?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=U348DHP

Isn't this a little premature?

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

ppaca wrote:http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/florida-governor-declares-emergency-due-to-zika/ar-BBp5rl4?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=U348DHP

Isn't this a little premature?

There are already cases of Zika in Florida.

EmeraldGhost

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boards of FL wrote:
.... Science has produced a safe, effective way to control birth and, thus, control the spread of Zika to some degree; ...

You just don't want brown people who speak Spanish to have babies .... Racist!

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boards of FL

boards of FL

EmeraldGhost wrote:
boards of FL wrote:
.... Science has produced a safe, effective way to control birth and, thus, control the spread of Zika to some degree; ...

You just don't want brown people who speak Spanish to have babies .... Racist!


This thread is about attempts to help these "brown people" that you speak of.  This thread is about attempts to control a communicable disease that that produces devastating birth defects.

Can you explain how showing such concern is racist?


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Floridatexan wrote:
ppaca wrote:http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/florida-governor-declares-emergency-due-to-zika/ar-BBp5rl4?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=U348DHP

Isn't this a little premature?

There are already cases of Zika in Florida.

I know 9 and one of them in SR county.

EmeraldGhost

EmeraldGhost

boards of FL wrote:
EmeraldGhost wrote:
boards of FL wrote:
.... Science has produced a safe, effective way to control birth and, thus, control the spread of Zika to some degree; ...

You just don't want brown people who speak Spanish to have babies .... Racist!


This thread is about attempts to help these "brown people" that you speak of.  This thread is about attempts to control a communicable disease that  that produces devastating birth defects.

Can you explain how showing such concern is racist?

Oh .... you want to "help" the poor brown Spanish speaking people .... by stopping them from having babies?

boards of FL

boards of FL

EmeraldGhost wrote:
boards of FL wrote:
EmeraldGhost wrote:
boards of FL wrote:
.... Science has produced a safe, effective way to control birth and, thus, control the spread of Zika to some degree; ...

You just don't want brown people who speak Spanish to have babies .... Racist!


This thread is about attempts to help these "brown people" that you speak of.  This thread is about attempts to control a communicable disease that  that produces devastating birth defects.

Can you explain how showing such concern is racist?

Oh .... you want to "help" the poor brown Spanish speaking people .... by stopping them from having babies?



If they are diagnosed with Zika, yes. Absolutely. Beyond that, you're aware that "white", "black", and "brown" people live in the areas affected by this virus, aren't you? Further, you realize that viruses like this impact everyone regardless of race, aren't you?

Have you actually read the article? Do you know what the subject matter is here?


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Well maybe it isn't premature "the state of emergency" seems a case has been reported in Brazil from a blood transfusion.

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I'll be damned, just reading the usual weartv fb threads and there is one about this virus. There has been a patent on this since 1947 by none other a Rockefeller.

http://www.collective-evolution.com/2016/02/04/1947-rockefeller-patent-shows-origins-of-zika-virus-and-what-about-those-genetically-modified-mosquitoes/

Another article mentioned some gmo mosquito's in Venezuela or Brazil. So maybe this has been beefed up to create another panic by the drug companies.

Oh crap now Scott wants in appoint a Zika Czar. I bet it will pay over $100,000 and be a friend of his.

A Zika Czar? Razz Razz Razz

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