Supreme Court Decision on Hobby Lobby birth control position

Ppaca,

Quit being a hypocrit. Walmart purchases more from China than any other retailer. Hobby Lobby can't tell the Communist Chinese who to run their economy. With the trade agreements signed, they don't have much choice because there are few ways to compete with
Other businesses.

Guess you guys need to understand we live under a RADICAL form of government that stands for God given rights NOT state given rights.. !!!

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

You're all so right I have seen the light. But they control where their pension funds are allocated.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/04/hobby-lobby-retirement-plan-invested-emergency-contraception-and-abortion-drug-makers

Oh did Walmart take this to court?

Yet another reason to either have a public option or medicare for all.

My stocks are controlled by a management firm. I don't look to see where they are invested and I doubt HL does either...picky picky...

Floridatexan wrote:
I have made my last purchase from Hobby Lobby.  I won't ever enter the store again.  

Good for you! Chick-fil-A is doing better than ever.

You are proud of your ignorance of the decision and aren't afraid to let the world know. Maybe you could get a "T" shirt to wear too.

othershoe1030 wrote:

Sal wrote:Corporations are people, my friend ....

.... women? ....

.... not so much.

Nice signature line Sal.

"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man’s oldest exercises in moral philosophy: that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness."
- John Kenneth Galbraith

The problem with the quote and signature is that it is another flat out lie Progressives love to believe.

As you well know, Conservatives and other people of faith contribute far more to charities in time and money than do Progressives who demand others pay for their charities.

Progressive lie and lie

Here are three dreadful consequences for conservatives in today's SCOTUS ruling on contraception insurance:

1. Once again women across the country are made glaringly aware of the war being waged by conservatives -- including those on the Supreme Court -- against them. Thanks conservatives, we can use all the female votes we can get.

2. With contraception now under attack by conservatives, the result, of course, will be a dramatic increase in unwanted pregnancies ... and that will lead, naturally, to far more abortions, legal or otherwise.

3. While such a ruling has the support of the Catholic religion and perhaps the Southern Baptists, it reflects badly on all Christian sects -- and will undoubtedly increase anti-religious fervor from sea to shining sea!

Thanks conservatives for hastening your own political demise.

Reality.

Sal wrote:This ruling is a mess.

Closely-held corporations are now allowed to have religious beliefs, meaning that people can form corporations for the express purpose of defying the law.

Obviously you do not understand the ruling. WOW...what a shock!

by ppaca Today at 4:51 pm
You're all so right I have seen the light. But they control where their pension funds are allocated.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/04/hobby-lobby-retirement-plan-invested-emergency-contraception-and-abortion-drug-makers

Oh did Walmart take this to court?

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Hobby lobby doesn't control where their retirement accounts are invested by another holding company that handles this part of their business. FAIL on your part.

Fail on your part, they sure the hell can direct where those funds are going. What you're saying is they want their investment's to grow and don't want to know where the person handling their pension fund is putting their money. That's utter bullshit.

Putting that aside, I read somewhere today that there were 20 contraception methods but they only disagreed with 4 which were close to their abortion beliefs. So if this is true, and I don't know that it is, then who cares?

It is difficult for me to tell if my Progressive good friends are really as ignorant about the decision as they portray here or are intentionally trying to distract and massively overblow the decision out all out of proportion.

We've even had Heathens here say they were PRAYING about the decision...I'm not sure how that works.

As has been covered here by the brighter posters, this decision only covers closely held corporations.

Not surprisingly, even White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest lied about the decision. Here is his quote: “There are now a group of women,” Earnest said, “who no longer have access to free contraceptive coverage simply because of religious views” held by their bosses.

That is a lie. Hobby Lobby agreed to pay for 16 contraceptives and refused to pay for four. Those four are all "MORNING AFTER" OR ABORTION PILLS. They are NOT contraception pills.

That's NOT to say that President Barack Hussein Obama has NOT been clobbered the past 10 days by the Supreme Court. Just like a bad gambler, instead of learning from his mistakes, President Obama announced that he was doubling down on his bypassing of Congress.

The morning after pill costs $50.00 and you don't need a prescription.

I think Mr. Markle is correct. This decision deals with close corporations, which is the majority of small business employers in America. I think Mr. Markle is correct that the Court specifically dealt with only four morning after pills, but I have heard some reports that this represents a nine dollar investment for a young woman.

http://www.cvs.com/shop/product-detail/Plan-B-One-Step-Emergency-Contraceptive?skuId=876669

I think the court has tried to thread the needle, and much of their decision makes sense if one takes the morning after pill as an abortion. The court seems to take that position, and I guess fifty bucks is a lot of money, but I think when a person decides to have sexual relations, they must be prepared to have fifty bucks to make the free choice of the morning after pill. However, when a man gets his viagra pills paid under a health insurance plan, and the woman does not get her medications paid, it brings a real question of equal protection.......equal in the eyes of your employer, who now can make the decision based on their moral code. So if my employer was a small corporation and the owner decided that cancer is god's curse for immoral people, and that his religious beliefs are that no person should take any medical action against cancer, because it is God's will.......and denies a rather expensive series of shots I receive each month......the corporation is a "close" corporation, the primary shareholder has a religious belief against the treatment of cancer, and if his religious beliefs were honored, the health care premiums for that company would plunge. This is not a likely court challenge, but it does indicate some serious due process concerns as a result of the focus on close corporation's religious beliefs.

All this being said, I do not think the court went too far, but perhaps as Ginsberg has suggested, impossible to reconcile.

A corporation cannot have religious beliefs.

A corporation cannot have religious beliefs.


If five or fewer owners of fifty percent or more ownership of a corporation, they in fact can have religious beliefs. The Supreme Court has made this law, and what you or I thinks is irrelevant. I think it is fair to say this can be narrowly interpreted, or it could have broader implications. I think the problems will definitely happen with broader implications, I doubt this will actually cause much of a problem if limited to the facts of Hobby Lobby.

It is time for single payer system. The exceptions make this increasingly too complex to stop health care reform with the affordable care act. It is time to evolve to common sense and a single payer system.

Sal wrote:V*iagra and vasectomies are covered, and Hobby Lobby has no prob with that.

Go figure ....

You can't figure it out?

[quote="Sal"][font=Arial Black]V*iagra and vasectomies are covered, and Hobby Lobby has no prob with that.

Go figure ....[/font][/quote]


Viagra and vasectomies don't kill fetuses.

What is more stupid than women out protesting this decision now saying that their "birth control" is not the business of their bosses."

Really? If he is paying for it, surely it is HIS business. Again, Hobby Lobby pays for 16 of 20 birth control items. It won't pay for anything that KILLS a fetus and that is what stupid liberals don't get.