Taco Bell to stop serving kids meals

Joanimaroni wrote:

boards of FL wrote:

Markle wrote:When did it become the job of the government and corporations to determine what your child eats or does not eat?  What is the job of the parents?

I want to serve my child a glass of gasoline.  No government can stand between me and my choice of liquids to serve my child, right?  No matter how completely asinine my choices are, I can do whatever I want with my child. Right, Markle?  Is that your belief?

Oh please. You know exactly what Markle was talking about....and it has nothing to do with your analogy.

Nekochan wrote:Gasoline?  Really, Boards?  First it's cigarettes and now you're comparing a hamburger and fries to serving your child a glass of gasoline.  

boards of FL wrote:

Joanimaroni wrote:

boards of FL wrote:

Markle wrote:When did it become the job of the government and corporations to determine what your child eats or does not eat?  What is the job of the parents?

I want to serve my child a glass of gasoline.  No government can stand between me and my choice of liquids to serve my child, right?  No matter how completely asinine my choices are, I can do whatever I want with my child. Right, Markle?  Is that your belief?

Oh please. You know exactly what Markle was talking about....and it has nothing to do with your analogy.

You are correct in that I know exactly what Markle is talking about.  He is trying to refute the idea that the government has any power in protecting children from harm - particular when dealing with things they can consume -, and he is wrong.

boards of FL wrote:

Nekochan wrote:Gasoline?  Really, Boards?  First it's cigarettes and now you're comparing a hamburger and fries to serving your child a glass of gasoline.  

I'm not comparing gasoline to a hamburger.  I'm using gasoline as a means of showing that the government does in fact have the power, and the job, of controlling what kids can eat - which Markle suggested it does not.

Nekochan wrote:

boards of FL wrote:

Nekochan wrote:Gasoline?  Really, Boards?  First it's cigarettes and now you're comparing a hamburger and fries to serving your child a glass of gasoline.  

I'm not comparing gasoline to a hamburger.  I'm using gasoline as a means of showing that the government does in fact have the power, and the job, of controlling what kids can eat - which Markle suggested it does not.

No one drinks gasoline.  It's not a food.  Bad example.

Joanimaroni wrote:How many liberals were up in arms when Mayor Bloomberg’s proposed to ban New York City’s food stamp users from buying soda and other sugary drinks? I remember!


Federal officials rejected the ban....
New York City Coalition Against Hunger, cheered the federal government for “deciding not to micromanage” the lives of poor people.

In 2004, The Agriculture Department denied a request by officials in Minnesota to prevent food stamp recipients from buying junk food.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/20/nyregion/ban-on-using-food-stamps-to-buy-soda-rejected-by-usda.html

boards of FL wrote:

Nekochan wrote:

boards of FL wrote:

Nekochan wrote:Gasoline?  Really, Boards?  First it's cigarettes and now you're comparing a hamburger and fries to serving your child a glass of gasoline.  

I'm not comparing gasoline to a hamburger.  I'm using gasoline as a means of showing that the government does in fact have the power, and the job, of controlling what kids can eat - which Markle suggested it does not.

No one drinks gasoline.  It's not a food.  Bad example.

Then substitute gasoline with any other product that children are not allowed to consume, if that helps.

Nekochan wrote:It doesn't help me.  If Markle comes back and posts that parents should be allowed to make their kids drink gasoline and inflict other forms of abuse on their kids, then I will see your point.

Markle wrote:When did it become the job of the government and corporations to determine what your child eats or does not eat?

boards of FL wrote:

Nekochan wrote:Gasoline?  Really, Boards?  First it's cigarettes and now you're comparing a hamburger and fries to serving your child a glass of gasoline.  

I'm not comparing gasoline to a hamburger.  I'm using gasoline as a means of showing that the government does in fact have the power, and the job, of controlling what kids can eat - which Markle suggested it does not.

boards of FL wrote:

Joanimaroni wrote:How many liberals were up in arms when Mayor Bloomberg’s proposed to ban New York City’s food stamp users from buying soda and other sugary drinks? I remember!


Federal officials rejected the ban....
New York City Coalition Against Hunger, cheered the federal government for “deciding not to micromanage” the lives of poor people.

In 2004, The Agriculture Department denied a request by officials in Minnesota to prevent food stamp recipients from buying junk food.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/20/nyregion/ban-on-using-food-stamps-to-buy-soda-rejected-by-usda.html

Are you suggesting that food stamp recipients are as ill-equipped mentally as children?

Joanimaroni wrote:

boards of FL wrote:

Joanimaroni wrote:How many liberals were up in arms when Mayor Bloomberg’s proposed to ban New York City’s food stamp users from buying soda and other sugary drinks? I remember!


Federal officials rejected the ban....
New York City Coalition Against Hunger, cheered the federal government for “deciding not to micromanage” the lives of poor people.

In 2004, The Agriculture Department denied a request by officials in Minnesota to prevent food stamp recipients from buying junk food.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/20/nyregion/ban-on-using-food-stamps-to-buy-soda-rejected-by-usda.html

Are you suggesting that food stamp recipients are as ill-equipped mentally as children?

Are you saying that children drive to fast food restaurants pull out cash or debit cards and buy their own Happy Meal?


And to answer your question....yes, some are.

boards of FL wrote:

Nekochan wrote:It doesn't help me.  If Markle comes back and posts that parents should be allowed to make their kids drink gasoline and inflict other forms of abuse on their kids, then I will see your point.  

No need for Markle to come back and state that.  Here are his own words on the topic:

Markle wrote:When did it become the job of the government and corporations to determine what your child eats or does not eat?

Nekochan wrote:

boards of FL wrote:

Nekochan wrote:It doesn't help me.  If Markle comes back and posts that parents should be allowed to make their kids drink gasoline and inflict other forms of abuse on their kids, then I will see your point.  

No need for Markle to come back and state that.  Here are his own words on the topic:

Markle wrote:When did it become the job of the government and corporations to determine what your child eats or does not eat?

Is gasoline something that people eat?

Floridatexan wrote:How I approached this subject with my own kids:

1) Sweets are not a reward for good behavior, which has its own rewards.
2) We don't eat foods that have "...no nutritional value..."  We limit sodas and empty calorie snacks.
3) I or their dad packed their lunch for school most days...in a cold pack.
4) Fast food was rare...I believe in home cooked meals and usually cook from scratch.
5) The result is that I have two daughters who are healthy and conscious about what they eat.  Did it always work?  Of course not, but now they don't eat junk.  

Taco Bell should upgrade the quality of their food, IMHO.  Other fast food chains have done it...ex:  McDonald's, Wendy's, Subway...

People need education on this stuff...I mean parents...how can you make so-called healthy choices when the food industry is lying about what's in their prepared food?  GMO's?  Artificial dye no. ?  Heavy oils?  High fructose corn syrup?  Soft drinks...don't keep them in the house.  I really could write a book here.

But instead:

Guacamole

2 ripe avocados
2 green onions with tops
1 tomato, juice of 1 lime, salt, dash pepper, good pinch of fresh cilantro (if you have it...dried cilantro if not)

Scoop out avocados and dice into bowl, squeeze lime juice over top, add tomato and other ingredients.  Serve.

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Yes, Boards, the government has to have standards for the food industry, but we have seen the trend...the lobbyists for the biggies write the standards for the industry, just as in other sectors of the economy.  The only way to combat this is for people to demand proper labeling of food and make conscientious choices when preparing food for their families.  It is the responsibility of the parents, but parents need to know what they're buying.  For the government to regulate the practices of the food industry is one thing (as Martha Stewart says, "a good thing"), but real regulation is most definitely not the same thing as a government mandate or as some would wildly accuse...a nanny state.  The regulations need to flip to the side of the ultimate consumer...not big agribusiness...and we don't need to subsidize those operations...we also need to diversify crops away from wheat, corn and soy...and use sound, earth-friendly agricultural practices.  

Nekochan wrote:Exactly, I agree with FT and Joani.  Educated, informed parents decide what foods their kids eat.   Not the government.  Look what we have when the government makes the decisions--horrible school lunches much of which  most kids won't eat.

Joanimaroni wrote:This post was made by Sir Loin who is currently on your ignore list.

Banned poster.

Floridatexan wrote:How I approached this subject with my own kids:

1) Sweets are not a reward for good behavior, which has its own rewards.
2) We don't eat foods that have "...no nutritional value..."  We limit sodas and empty calorie snacks.
3) I or their dad packed their lunch for school most days...in a cold pack.
4) Fast food was rare...I believe in home cooked meals and usually cook from scratch.
5) The result is that I have two daughters who are healthy and conscious about what they eat.  Did it always work?  Of course not, but now they don't eat junk.  

Taco Bell should upgrade the quality of their food, IMHO.  Other fast food chains have done it...ex:  McDonald's, Wendy's, Subway...

People need education on this stuff...I mean parents...how can you make so-called healthy choices when the food industry is lying about what's in their prepared food?  GMO's?  Artificial dye no. ?  Heavy oils?  High fructose corn syrup?  Soft drinks...don't keep them in the house.  I really could write a book here.

But instead:

Guacamole

2 ripe avocados
2 green onions with tops
1 tomato, juice of 1 lime, salt, dash pepper, good pinch of fresh cilantro (if you have it...dried cilantro if not)

Scoop out avocados and dice into bowl, squeeze lime juice over top, add tomato and other ingredients.  Serve.

----------------

Yes, Boards, the government has to have standards for the food industry, but we have seen the trend...the lobbyists for the biggies write the standards for the industry, just as in other sectors of the economy.  The only way to combat this is for people to demand proper labeling of food and make conscientious choices when preparing food for their families.  It is the responsibility of the parents, but parents need to know what they're buying.  For the government to regulate the practices of the food industry is one thing (as Martha Stewart says, "a good thing"), but real regulation is most definitely not the same thing as a government mandate or as some would wildly accuse...a nanny state.  The regulations need to flip to the side of the ultimate consumer...not big agribusiness...and we don't need to subsidize those operations...we also need to diversify crops away from wheat, corn and soy...and use sound, earth-friendly agricultural practices.  

Sal wrote:

Floridatexan wrote:How I approached this subject with my own kids:

1) Sweets are not a reward for good behavior, which has its own rewards.
2) We don't eat foods that have "...no nutritional value..."  We limit sodas and empty calorie snacks.
3) I or their dad packed their lunch for school most days...in a cold pack.
4) Fast food was rare...I believe in home cooked meals and usually cook from scratch.
5) The result is that I have two daughters who are healthy and conscious about what they eat.  Did it always work?  Of course not, but now they don't eat junk.  

Taco Bell should upgrade the quality of their food, IMHO.  Other fast food chains have done it...ex:  McDonald's, Wendy's, Subway...

People need education on this stuff...I mean parents...how can you make so-called healthy choices when the food industry is lying about what's in their prepared food?  GMO's?  Artificial dye no. ?  Heavy oils?  High fructose corn syrup?  Soft drinks...don't keep them in the house.  I really could write a book here.

But instead:

Guacamole

2 ripe avocados
2 green onions with tops
1 tomato, juice of 1 lime, salt, dash pepper, good pinch of fresh cilantro (if you have it...dried cilantro if not)

Scoop out avocados and dice into bowl, squeeze lime juice over top, add tomato and other ingredients.  Serve.

----------------

Yes, Boards, the government has to have standards for the food industry, but we have seen the trend...the lobbyists for the biggies write the standards for the industry, just as in other sectors of the economy.  The only way to combat this is for people to demand proper labeling of food and make conscientious choices when preparing food for their families.  It is the responsibility of the parents, but parents need to know what they're buying.  For the government to regulate the practices of the food industry is one thing (as Martha Stewart says, "a good thing"), but real regulation is most definitely not the same thing as a government mandate or as some would wildly accuse...a nanny state.  The regulations need to flip to the side of the ultimate consumer...not big agribusiness...and we don't need to subsidize those operations...we also need to diversify crops away from wheat, corn and soy...and use sound, earth-friendly agricultural practices.  

Another important thing to teach kids is to eat because they are hungry, never because they are bored.

Joanimaroni wrote:This post was made by Sir Loin who is currently on your ignore list.

Banned poster.