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Canadians pay taxes for Universal Healthcare and now they're richer and healthier than us!

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Dreamsglore wrote:
doubtingthomas wrote:
Dreamsglore wrote:
doubtingthomas wrote:
Dreamsglore wrote:
doubtingthomas wrote:Government math is incorrect:

He cited a new review process for insurers’ premiums that discourages increases greater than 10 percent as one example.
“The law is having its intended effect of making insurers more efficient,” Cohen said.


Simply not true, most here in Florida under 65 experienced a 14-22% rate increase on individual plans recently and Florida group plans anywhere from 5% to 50%. Don't know where these clowns get their figures. 

I received a rebate of $126 from my group plan which AL BC/BS and no rate increase.

Seems to me this is what you posted last year. Rebates normally don't start flowing out until August, so I guess Alabama is on the ball and you have your's early. You don't know if there was a rate increase in your group plan unless you are the owner or top management and privy to that info. Now no where in my statement did I mention any state except Florida, did I?

The only rate increase I worry about is in my bottom line. If there was a rate increase to my employer we didn't know it. The point is no matter where the rate increases are occurring if the insurer is not spending 80% on healthcare you will get  a rebate.

85% on group and how long do you think your employer is going to keep footing the whole premium without passing more on to the employee? I received a whopping $8.00 last year. Don't have to worry about this year.
I don't know but if it becomes too expensive then I'll go on Obamacare and get a subsidy.

The only way you can dump your employer's group and get a subsidy is if your premiums are more than 9.5% of household income. You can purchase a policy without a subsidy but then your employer may be subjected to a penalty because you opted out of the group, hope you're ready to retire.

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doubtingthomas wrote:
Dreamsglore wrote:
doubtingthomas wrote:
Dreamsglore wrote:
doubtingthomas wrote:
Dreamsglore wrote:
doubtingthomas wrote:Government math is incorrect:

He cited a new review process for insurers’ premiums that discourages increases greater than 10 percent as one example.
“The law is having its intended effect of making insurers more efficient,” Cohen said.


Simply not true, most here in Florida under 65 experienced a 14-22% rate increase on individual plans recently and Florida group plans anywhere from 5% to 50%. Don't know where these clowns get their figures. 

I received a rebate of $126 from my group plan which AL BC/BS and no rate increase.

Seems to me this is what you posted last year. Rebates normally don't start flowing out until August, so I guess Alabama is on the ball and you have your's early. You don't know if there was a rate increase in your group plan unless you are the owner or top management and privy to that info. Now no where in my statement did I mention any state except Florida, did I?

The only rate increase I worry about is in my bottom line. If there was a rate increase to my employer we didn't know it. The point is no matter where the rate increases are occurring if the insurer is not spending 80% on healthcare you will get  a rebate.

85% on group and how long do you think your employer is going to keep footing the whole premium without passing more on to the employee? I received a whopping $8.00 last year. Don't have to worry about this year.
I don't know but if it becomes too expensive then I'll go on Obamacare and get a subsidy.

The only way you can dump your employer's group and get a subsidy is if your premiums are more than 9.5% of household income. You can purchase a policy without a subsidy but then your employer may be subjected to a penalty because you opted out of the group, hope you're ready to retire.

I would like to retire early and work parttime. The only thing stopping me is the healthcare. I could work parttime and get the subsidy.

Markle

Markle

Bob wrote:Comparing Health Care in Canada to the U.S.

Q: Is health care better in Canada?
A: Wait times are longer in Canada, but health and doctor quality don’t seem to suffer.
FULL QUESTION
Is health care better in Canada than in the U.S., or is it true when they say universal coverage leads to long waits and a lower quality of care?
FULL ANSWER
It is true that wait times for physician appointments and non-emergency surgery tend to be longer in Canada, which has a government-funded, universal health care system, than in the United States. A study by the Commonwealth Fund, a nonpartisan research foundation that promotes improved health care access and quality, showed that 57 percent of adults in Canada who needed a specialist said they waited more than four weeks for an appointment, versus only 23 percent who said so in the U.S. For emergency physician visits, 23 percent of Canadians and 30 percent of Americans said they could get in to see the doctor the same day, but 23 percent of Americans and 36 percent of Canadians waited more than six days. Wait times for elective and non-emergency surgery were even more disparate: Thirty-three percent of Canadians reported a wait time of more than four months, but only 8 percent of Americans had to wait that long. In another study, 27 percent of Canadians said that waiting times were their biggest complaint about their health system, versus only 3 percent of Americans. In October 2007, the Fraser Institute, a Canada-based libertarian think tank, reported that Canadians waited an average of 18.3 weeks between seeing a general practitioner and getting surgery or treatment.
However, on most measures of patient-reported physician quality, Canada comes out slightly ahead of the U.S. The Commonwealth Fund report shows somewhat fewer reported physician errors, lab errors, medication errors and duplicate tests north of the border, and Canadians report more satisfaction with their doctors. General health is also better up north, according to the World Health Organization: Life expectancy and healthy life expectancy are both higher in Canada; infant mortality is lower, and maternal mortality is significantly lower. There are fewer deaths from non-communicable diseases, cardiovascular diseases and injuries in Canada, though marginally more deaths from cancer. It’s not clear how much of the divergence is attributable to medical care, rather than other standard-of-living differences between the two countries. (For instance, according to the United Nations’ Human Development Index, Canada has a much higher school enrollment rate than the U.S., though it also has a lower GDP per capita.) But these statistics simply don’t support the notion that universal, single-payer health care is crippling the health of Canadian citizens compared with that of U.S. citizens.
Both countries, however, score low on health measures compared with other industrialized nations. In the Commonwealth Fund’s overall ranking of health system performance, Canada came in fifth and the U.S. came in sixth, out of six countries. On the other hand, the WHO’s 2000 World Health Report gave Canada a slightly better review, ranking it 30th for overall health system performance – above three of the other countries from the Commonwealth study (Australia, New Zealand and the U.S.) but below the other two (the U.K. and Germany). All of these countries, except the U.S., have publicly funded health care, as does every major country in the WHO’s top ten.

Since you are quoting a 13 year old report, why not tell us why they have not done one since? The United Nations is a Socialist organization pushing hard, a socialist, at least, world order.

Also, since you are quoting a so called ranking, please tell us the criteria used in the evaluation and how many directly address the quality of health care.

Markle

Markle

Dreamsglore wrote:The large refunds for customers in Washington, Massachusetts, and Delaware underscores how plans in certain markets are far costlier than others due to a combination of profiteering and inefficient insurers that spend too much money on their administrative costs. And the biggest offenders in those states tend to be large, national insurance chains with high profit margins, according to more government data. AmeriHealth HMO has to give back almost $650,000 to large market plan holders; Coventry Health and Life Insurance (which has one of the most successful prescription drug plans in the United States) must return $440,000 to Americans on the individual market. In Washington, one insurance company — Regence BlueCross BlueShield — is responsible for almost the entirety of the state’s insurance rebates under Obamacare, returning $785,000 to individual plan owners.
http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/06/21/2194141/obamacare-

Massachusetts has the health plan you so crave and they have the highest health insurance rates in the nation.

gulfbeachbandit

gulfbeachbandit

Wordslinger wrote:Check out the following article:

Canadians Pay Taxes for Universal Health Care, and Now They're Richer Than Us
Philip Caper, Bangor Daily News: Canada's tax-financed health care system covers everybody, gets better results, costs about two-thirds of what ours does and is far more popular than ours with both their public and their politicians.
Read the Article 


http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/17149-canadians-pay-taxes-for-universal-health-care-and-now-theyre-richer-than-us

Maybe you should move to Canada. Bye.

Markle

Markle

Waiting Your Turn: Wait Times for Health Care in Canada, 2011 report
Type: Research Studies
Date Published: December 12, 2011

This edition of Waiting Your Turn indicates that waiting times for elective medical treatment have increased since last year. Specialist physicians surveyed across 12 specialties and 10 Canadian provinces report a total waiting time of 19.0 weeks between referral from a general practitioner and receipt of elective treatment. At 104 percent longer than it was in 1993, this is the longest total wait time recorded since the Fraser Institute began measuring wait times in Canada.

Wait times between 2010 and 2011 increased in both the segment between referral by a general practitioner to consultation with a specialist (rising to 9.5 weeks from 8.9 weeks in 2010), and the segment between a consultation with a specialist and receipt of treatment (rising to 9.5 weeks from 9.3 weeks in 2010). In fact, physicians themselves believe that Canadians wait nearly 3 weeks longer than what they consider is clinically “reasonable” for elective treatment after an appointment with a specialist. There is, however, a great deal of variation in the total waiting time faced by patients across the provinces. While Ontario reports the shortest total wait in 2011 (14.3 weeks); Prince Edward Island reports the longest at 43.9 weeks. The same is true of variations among specialties. Patients wait longest between a GP referral and plastic surgery (41.6 weeks), while those waiting for medical oncology begin treatment in 4.2 weeks.

It is estimated that, across all 10 provinces, in 2011 people are waiting for an estimated 941,321 procedures. This means that, assuming that each person waits for only one procedure, 2.8 percent of Canadians are waiting for treatment. Importantly, physicians report that only about 9.4 percent of their patients are on a waiting list because they requested a delay or postponement. The results of this year’s survey indicate that despite high levels of health expenditure and provincial wait time strategies, it is clear that patients in Canada are waiting too long to receive treatment

[In the United States that would equal 8.6 MILLION PATIENTS.]

Population of Canada 34.4 million

Population of U.S. 308 million

http://www.fraserinstitute.org/research-news/display.aspx?id=2147484001


PDF file of the entire study
http://www.fraserinstitute.org/uploadedFiles/fraser-ca/Content/research-news/research/publications/waiting-your-turn-2011.pdf



Markle

Markle

You really should do your own research other than depending on the DailyKOS and HuffingtonPost

Britain Plans to Decentralize Health Care
By SARAH LYALL
Published: July 24, 2010
LONDON — Perhaps the only consistent thing about Britain’s socialized health care system is that it is in a perpetual state of flux, its structure constantly changing as governments search for the elusive formula that will deliver the best care for the cheapest price while costs and demand escalate.

The new British government’s plan to drastically reshape the socialized health care system would put local physicians like Dr. Marita Koumettou in north London in control of much of the national health budget.

Even as the new coalition government said it would make enormous cuts in the public sector, it initially promised to leave health care alone. But in one of its most surprising moves so far, it has done the opposite, proposing what would be the most radical reorganization of the National Health Service, as the system is called, since its inception in 1948.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/25/world/europe/25britain.html
In Canada, a move toward a private healthcare option
In British Columbia, private clinics and surgical centers are capitalizing on patients who might otherwise pay for faster treatment in the U.S. The courts will consider their legality next month.
September 27, 2009|Kim Murphy

http://articles.latimes.com/2009/sep/27/nation/na-healthcare-canada27


Private Health Care Still an Uphill Battle: A Step Backward in Cambie Surgeries Corporation v. British Columbia (Medical Services Commission)
September 20th, 2010

http://www.thecourt.ca/2010/09/20/private-health-care-still-an-uphill-battle-a-step-backward-in-cambie-surgeries-corporation-v-british-columbia-medical-services-commission/

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Sad isn't it? Other countries citizens fighting for the health care we take for granted and you (far left liberals) want to throw it all away and adopt their failed systems.

Stunning.


Why?

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

Markle wrote:

Sad isn't it?  Other countries citizens fighting for the health care we take for granted and you (far left liberals) want to throw it all away and adopt their failed systems.

Stunning.


Why?

Actually I commend you for linking us to NYT and LA Times articles. When they take an objective look at UK health care I give it some creedence because that's not in character for them. So good for you for doing that.

BUT, it's the conclusion you come to that's questionable. That they're "fighting for the health care we have".
That's so silly that it's just laughable.
They're fighting to make health care work just like we are. They aint fightin to be us. It was that same reasoning that the last administration had, markle. That all those middle east muslims are "fighting to be like us".
Bullshit.

Markle

Markle

Bob wrote:
Markle wrote:

Sad isn't it?  Other countries citizens fighting for the health care we take for granted and you (far left liberals) want to throw it all away and adopt their failed systems.

Stunning.


Why?

Actually I commend you for linking us to NYT and LA Times articles.  When they take an objective look at UK health care I give it some creedence because that's not in character for them.  So good for you for doing that.

BUT,  it's the conclusion you come to that's questionable.  That they're "fighting for the health care we have".
That's so silly that it's just laughable.
They're fighting to make health care work just like we are.  They aint fightin to be us.  It was that same reasoning that the last administration had,  markle.  That all those middle east muslims are "fighting to be like us".
Bullshit.

Private, for profit health care is what they are striving for. In fact, the Canadian Supreme court of Canada ruled their system unconstitutional and forced the country to allow Private, for profit health care to compete with their long waiting lists.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

Markle wrote:
Private, for profit health care is what they are striving for.  In fact, the Canadian Supreme court of Canada ruled their system unconstitutional and forced the country to allow Private, for profit health care to compete with their long waiting lists.

Well I wish them better luck than me. My first time out with serious medical shit and the doctor could have killed me and my so-called "insurance" is paying nothing.
So if that's what they're striving for then god help them.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

I'll concede you this much, markle. If you have several hundred million dollars to pay cash for it all like Limbaugh or you have the cadillac insurance like members of congress, and can have the best doctoring money can buy, then yes it probably is the best system in the world.
But I'm not sure limbaugh and the congressmen are the typical scenario. lol

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Markle is so silly w/ his incompetent info. My mother waited six weeks in California to get a specialists appt. for a procedure she had three times in one week in a German hospital from the University of California at San Diego. So to say our waiting times are superior is ridiculous.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

Dreamsglore wrote:Markle is so silly w/ his incompetent info. My mother waited six weeks in California to get a specialists appt. for a procedure she had three times in one week in a German hospital from the University of California at San Diego. So to say our waiting times are superior is ridiculous.

"in a German hospital from the University of California at San Diego"

She was at a "german hospital". But it was in San Diego.
I don't think that counts as being in the health care system in Germany. At least not as a comparison. Wouldn't she actually have to be in Germany for that?

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Guest

She got sick in Germany on a vacation and was throwing up blood. They took her to a German hospital and did some kind of procedure to check her esophogus. She stayed a week and they did the procedure 3 times. When she got back to the states she followed up w/ a specialist at UCSD which is where her insurance is which took 6 weeks to get an appt. for that same procedure.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

Dreamsglore wrote:She got sick in Germany on a vacation and was throwing up blood. They took her to a German hospital and did some kind of procedure to check her esophogus. She stayed a week and they did the procedure 3 times. When she got back to the states she followed up w/ a specialist at UCSD which is where her insurance is which took 6 weeks to get an appt. for that same procedure.

Gotcha. Thanks for clearing that up.

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Bob wrote:
Dreamsglore wrote:She got sick in Germany on a vacation and was throwing up blood. They took her to a German hospital and did some kind of procedure to check her esophogus. She stayed a week and they did the procedure 3 times. When she got back to the states she followed up w/ a specialist at UCSD which is where her insurance is which took 6 weeks to get an appt. for that same procedure.

Gotcha.  Thanks for clearing that up.
The sad thing is she really needed to see that specialist sooner and she couldn't get in so to say our healthcare is superior was false in this case. She couldn't eat due to the pain and had to wait that long. Her esophogus had scar tissue from plastic surgeries and had to be stretched.

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

Despite my dear Nazi friend Markle's pro-corporate control rantings, Canada's health system does more for less and evidently does it better as well.  Even with the waiting!

And let me make it clear;  I don't like the new Affordable Care law, although it will deliver far superior health care to all Americans, unlike the system that preceded it which left millions treating advanced disease in emergency rooms (costing us all a bundle as our greedy, blood sucking insurance companies billed those of us who had medical insurance for their losses at the emergency room.

What Markle hates is not the idea that millions of his fellow Americans would suffer under his chosen medical system, but that an insurer might lose a buck or two.

As a functional fascist, Markle's loyalty is towards the biggest thieves in the marketplace -- what he calls "traditional American values."    Reality!

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

I'm guessing markel is probably about the age of "the reagan generation".
They hated and rebelled against the hippies and the communes and all that and when reagan came along they adopted this mindset of "making money is what America is all about".
It didn't matter if money was made by corporate racketeering or any other means. If they made money that was all that mattered. And the people who didn't make money were all inferior and parasites.
They despised everything about government because they perceived government as being the main obstacle to making money.

There was a nugget of truth in what they believed (as there is a nugget of truth to be found in all movements).
But markle and so many in his generation became extremists just like so many in the generation they were rebelling against had become.

So basically what all that led to is the two extremist camps we have now. One which worships corporations and one which worships government.






Wordslinger

Wordslinger

Bob wrote:I'm guessing markel is probably about the age of "the reagan generation".
They hated and rebelled against the hippies and the communes and all that and when reagan came along they adopted this mindset of "making money is what America is all about".  
It didn't matter if money was made by corporate racketeering or any other means.  If they made money that was all that mattered.  And the people who didn't make money were all inferior and parasites.
They despised everything about government because they perceived government as being the main obstacle to making money.

There was a nugget of truth in what they believed (as there is a nugget of truth to be found in all movements).  
But markle and so many in his generation became extremists just like so many in the generation they were rebelling against had become.  

So basically what all that led to is the two extremist camps we have now.  One which worships corporations and one which worships government.



Bob:  I don't worship government, and I don't pay homage to greedy corporatocracy either.  I certainly am a liberal in relation to education, health and a just, fair economic system.  Like you and most rational people, I'm liberal in some regards and conservative in others.

Having survived cancer of the larynx and two bouts with bladder cancer, I understand very well what you are facing.  My advice is find doctors you trust and then do exactly what they want.  From the start, face the enemy with courage and conviction and a hardy will to win.  Best of luck!


Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

Thanks, wordslinger.

2seaoat



I think Mr. Markle is not without some facts on his side in regard to waiting.  Many of the snowbirds used to get elective surgery in the states in the winter because the wait was less.....but about 10 years ago they shut that option off.....lost a lot of snowbirds on NB because of that change.  The Canadians I have talked to do have to wait longer than we do on elective surgery.....but when one of my shots costs 2,900.00 in Toronto, and 11,000 in Chicago.....I think you begin to understand the essence of the problem.  We do not spend double what other countries do to get a slight advantage in care or waiting time.   On my first lung removal surgery, I waited almost 6 weeks.....I was not happy, but it was not a routine surgery, and It might have been 3 months in Canada......We need a single payer system with a vibrant supplemental insurance market which covers things not covered under  a medicare for all system......the line drawing will be life or death, but as a society spending double on health care has rendered our industrial base uncompetitive on the world market.....We need to detach health care costs from our industrial base and allow them to be globally competitive.......

Markle

Markle

Dreamsglore wrote:She got sick in Germany on a vacation and was throwing up blood. They took her to a German hospital and did some kind of procedure to check her esophogus. She stayed a week and they did the procedure 3 times. When she got back to the states she followed up w/ a specialist at UCSD which is where her insurance is which took 6 weeks to get an appt. for that same procedure.

So it was an emergency situation in Germany and NOT so in California.

Germany has two levels of health care. One for the wealthy who pay a fee for higher care health care and a lower level, paid by the government for the rank and file.

Markle

Markle

Wordslinger wrote:
Bob wrote:I'm guessing markel is probably about the age of "the reagan generation".
They hated and rebelled against the hippies and the communes and all that and when reagan came along they adopted this mindset of "making money is what America is all about".  
It didn't matter if money was made by corporate racketeering or any other means.  If they made money that was all that mattered.  And the people who didn't make money were all inferior and parasites.
They despised everything about government because they perceived government as being the main obstacle to making money.

There was a nugget of truth in what they believed (as there is a nugget of truth to be found in all movements).  
But markle and so many in his generation became extremists just like so many in the generation they were rebelling against had become.  

So basically what all that led to is the two extremist camps we have now.  One which worships corporations and one which worships government.



Bob:  I don't worship government, and I don't pay homage to greedy corporatocracy either.  I certainly am a liberal in relation to education, health and a just, fair economic system.  Like you and most rational people, I'm liberal in some regards and conservative in others.

Having survived cancer of the larynx and two bouts with bladder cancer, I understand very well what you are facing.  My advice is find doctors you trust and then do exactly what they want.  From the start, face the enemy with courage and conviction and a hardy will to win.  Best of luck!



My good friend Wordslinger sells himself way to short.  Here are some of his own comments from the recent past.  Words of which he is proud.

Our self-avowed Socialist and good friend Wordslinger, admirer of the philosophy of mass murderer and Communist Mao tse Tung, anti-American Noam Chomsky, self-avowed Communist Howard Zinn, self-avowed Socialist Bernie Sanders offers us advice on how our government SHOULD be run from the Socialist/Communist perspective.  

Wordslinger frequently signs off with:

SCREW AMERIKA INC! or KNOW YOUR ENEMY! Those are the motto's of Wordslinger.

Businesses and Corporations are built and made great by GREAT AMERICAN CITIZENS. They provide products, services, jobs, innovations, security and PROFITS around the world. They are what have made this the greatest country the world has ever seen.  They are what built the highest quality health care in the world.  Wordslinger believes that by tearing all that down, we would all have shared misery and he would be happy.  That would be FAIR.

So Wordslinger shamelessly states Screw American Business, Screw American Corporations, Screw Americans, Screw Profit and Screw America!

THANKS for your shameful and immoral input Wordslinger!  Always good to know where our enemies stand.

We need only read Wordslinger’s twisted perspective on an issue and we then KNOW OUR ENEMY!

AMERICANS make up CORPORATIONS and BUSINESS. Corporations and Business provide jobs, products, services and PROFITS for AMERICANS. AMERICANS, CORPORATIONS, BUSINESS AND PROFITS have made America the greatest nation the world has ever seen. Something of which I AM PROUD!



Re: Afghan Investigation Indicates 2 Women Raped and 15-20 U.S. Troops Involved in Kandahar Massacre
posted at 3/18/2012 1:10 PM EDT on pnj.com Prod


Wordslinger
Posts: 427
First: 3/18/2008
Last: 3/18/2012 I'd love to hear from all the "let's stay in Afghanistan and bear all the costs forever" crowd ... but all I hear is silence.

As for Markle's comment that I viewed the current atrocity in Kandahar with "glee," he's absolutely right. I want us the hell out of there and I'll take advantage of every crazy, self-defeating atrocity committed by mislead American troops.

In truth, the thought of live children being wrapped in blankets or rugs and then set afire enrages me no end. Not so, I'm afraid, for Herr Markle, who is dying to claim that our murders of innocent children over there are keeping us safe from terrorist attack here in Der Amerikanish Homeland. Seig Heil.



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Markle

Markle

These are figures based on a family of 3 in Florida which has no state income tax.

......................................... U.S............Quebec…......Ontario
Family Income................$100,000....$100,000......$100,000
Max. Fed. Income Tax......(17,681)......(21,710).........(21,710)
Max. Provincial or
State Income Tax*.....................0........(20,000)......(15,000)
Health Insur. Costs..............(7,000).......0.............0
Other Taxes
(Soc.Sec, Medicare .............(7,000)...Inc. In Above...Inc. In Above
After Tax Income...............$68,319.....$58,290........$63,290

Keep in mind in Florida I believe the sales tax is 7% depending on your county. Sales taxes in Quebec and Ontario are about 13% to 15%, respectively. European Countries have a 12 – 19% Value Added Tax (VAT)

Read more:
http://open.salon.com/blog/kanuk/2009/03/11/health_care_comparison_universal_versus_us-style_systems

boards of FL

boards of FL

Markle wrote:These are figures based on a family of 3 in Florida which has no state income tax.

......................................... U.S............Quebec…......Ontario
Family Income................$100,000....$100,000......$100,000
Max. Fed. Income Tax......(17,681)......(21,710).........(21,710)
Max. Provincial or
State Income Tax*.....................0........(20,000)......(15,000)
Health Insur. Costs..............(7,000).......0.............0
Other Taxes
(Soc.Sec, Medicare .............(7,000)...Inc. In Above...Inc. In Above
After Tax Income...............$68,319.....$58,290........$63,290

Keep in mind in Florida I believe the sales tax is 7% depending on your county. Sales taxes in Quebec and Ontario are about 13% to 15%, respectively.  European Countries have a 12 – 19% Value Added Tax (VAT)

Read more:  
http://open.salon.com/blog/kanuk/2009/03/11/health_care_comparison_universal_versus_us-style_systems

Yes, but that doesn't address the fact that we spend $8,233 per year per capita on health care while Canada spends $ 4,464. 17.6% of our GDP is healthcare whereas 11.4% of Canada's GDP is healthcare.

There is no question we have the most costly healthcare model.


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