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Canadians pay taxes for Universal Healthcare and now they're richer and healthier than us!

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Check out the following article:

Canadians Pay Taxes for Universal Health Care, and Now They're Richer Than Us
Philip Caper, Bangor Daily News: Canada's tax-financed health care system covers everybody, gets better results, costs about two-thirds of what ours does and is far more popular than ours with both their public and their politicians.
Read the Article 


http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/17149-canadians-pay-taxes-for-universal-health-care-and-now-theyre-richer-than-us

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Truthout is a george soros funded leftist/progressive propaganda outlet... tell us what you think w reliable sources. Thanks.

Oh... and it's one of those 501 c whatevers... those public service exemptions... lol.

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Canadians are smarter than we are as with other countries that have universal healthcare. I like the "we care about our citizens". What a slap in the face to the US. I predict the republican party will be extinct in this country in the future just like slavery is. This country is transforming for the better and once Obamacare gets started the people will see how wrong the republicans were and we will be a great country again.

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wealthy canadians come to america for health care

I know for a fact

and you can compare even what they have, its 30 million vs 300 plus million


gawd im so tired of stupid people cant we just abort them?

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. wrote:wealthy canadians come to america for health care

I know for a fact

and you can compare even what they have, its 30 million vs 300 plus million


gawd im so tired of stupid people cant we just abort them?
Canadians wanting elective (non-critical) surgery (a knee replacement, stomach banding, etc.) must wait, sometimes several months before their turn at the operatory comes due.  But if it's a serious health issue care is immediate ... and cost free.  Emergencies are treated as emergencies, I know, I badly sprained an ankle in Nova Scotia -- requiring an x-ray and a doctor's evaluation as well as wrapping the injury and providing medication.  Total cost, $6.00 U.S. because I wasn't a Canadian. 

And in your case abortion would have been productive ...

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. wrote:wealthy canadians come to america for health care

I know for a fact

and you can compare even what they have, its 30 million vs 300 plus million


gawd im so tired of stupid people cant we just abort them?

I'm sure some of them do just like wealthy Americans go to Europe for healthcare. Not everyone is wealthy so what's your point,Dilbert? Is it boring over there on the gay forum?

Yella

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The Healthcare Industry  spends millions trying to defeat Obamacare because it will eat into the incredible profits they are making off of sick Americans.

http://warpedinblue,blogspot.com/

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

Comparing Health Care in Canada to the U.S.

Q: Is health care better in Canada?
A: Wait times are longer in Canada, but health and doctor quality don’t seem to suffer.
FULL QUESTION
Is health care better in Canada than in the U.S., or is it true when they say universal coverage leads to long waits and a lower quality of care?
FULL ANSWER
It is true that wait times for physician appointments and non-emergency surgery tend to be longer in Canada, which has a government-funded, universal health care system, than in the United States. A study by the Commonwealth Fund, a nonpartisan research foundation that promotes improved health care access and quality, showed that 57 percent of adults in Canada who needed a specialist said they waited more than four weeks for an appointment, versus only 23 percent who said so in the U.S. For emergency physician visits, 23 percent of Canadians and 30 percent of Americans said they could get in to see the doctor the same day, but 23 percent of Americans and 36 percent of Canadians waited more than six days. Wait times for elective and non-emergency surgery were even more disparate: Thirty-three percent of Canadians reported a wait time of more than four months, but only 8 percent of Americans had to wait that long. In another study, 27 percent of Canadians said that waiting times were their biggest complaint about their health system, versus only 3 percent of Americans. In October 2007, the Fraser Institute, a Canada-based libertarian think tank, reported that Canadians waited an average of 18.3 weeks between seeing a general practitioner and getting surgery or treatment.
However, on most measures of patient-reported physician quality, Canada comes out slightly ahead of the U.S. The Commonwealth Fund report shows somewhat fewer reported physician errors, lab errors, medication errors and duplicate tests north of the border, and Canadians report more satisfaction with their doctors. General health is also better up north, according to the World Health Organization: Life expectancy and healthy life expectancy are both higher in Canada; infant mortality is lower, and maternal mortality is significantly lower. There are fewer deaths from non-communicable diseases, cardiovascular diseases and injuries in Canada, though marginally more deaths from cancer. It’s not clear how much of the divergence is attributable to medical care, rather than other standard-of-living differences between the two countries. (For instance, according to the United Nations’ Human Development Index, Canada has a much higher school enrollment rate than the U.S., though it also has a lower GDP per capita.) But these statistics simply don’t support the notion that universal, single-payer health care is crippling the health of Canadian citizens compared with that of U.S. citizens.
Both countries, however, score low on health measures compared with other industrialized nations. In the Commonwealth Fund’s overall ranking of health system performance, Canada came in fifth and the U.S. came in sixth, out of six countries. On the other hand, the WHO’s 2000 World Health Report gave Canada a slightly better review, ranking it 30th for overall health system performance – above three of the other countries from the Commonwealth study (Australia, New Zealand and the U.S.) but below the other two (the U.K. and Germany). All of these countries, except the U.S., have publicly funded health care, as does every major country in the WHO’s top ten.

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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-06-20/health-law-rule-saves-consumers-3-9-billion-in-premiums.html

http://warpedinblue,blogspot.com/

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Govt math is fun boys and girls.

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Government math is incorrect:

He cited a new review process for insurers’ premiums that discourages increases greater than 10 percent as one example.
“The law is having its intended effect of making insurers more efficient,” Cohen said.


Simply not true, most here in Florida under 65 experienced a 14-22% rate increase on individual plans recently and Florida group plans anywhere from 5% to 50%. Don't know where these clowns get their figures. 

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Bob wrote:Comparing Health Care in Canada to the U.S.

Q: Is health care better in Canada?
A: Wait times are longer in Canada, but health and doctor quality don’t seem to suffer.
FULL QUESTION
Is health care better in Canada than in the U.S., or is it true when they say universal coverage leads to long waits and a lower quality of care?
FULL ANSWER
It is true that wait times for physician appointments and non-emergency surgery tend to be longer in Canada, which has a government-funded, universal health care system, than in the United States. A study by the Commonwealth Fund, a nonpartisan research foundation that promotes improved health care access and quality, showed that 57 percent of adults in Canada who needed a specialist said they waited more than four weeks for an appointment, versus only 23 percent who said so in the U.S. For emergency physician visits, 23 percent of Canadians and 30 percent of Americans said they could get in to see the doctor the same day, but 23 percent of Americans and 36 percent of Canadians waited more than six days. Wait times for elective and non-emergency surgery were even more disparate: Thirty-three percent of Canadians reported a wait time of more than four months, but only 8 percent of Americans had to wait that long. In another study, 27 percent of Canadians said that waiting times were their biggest complaint about their health system, versus only 3 percent of Americans. In October 2007, the Fraser Institute, a Canada-based libertarian think tank, reported that Canadians waited an average of 18.3 weeks between seeing a general practitioner and getting surgery or treatment.
However, on most measures of patient-reported physician quality, Canada comes out slightly ahead of the U.S. The Commonwealth Fund report shows somewhat fewer reported physician errors, lab errors, medication errors and duplicate tests north of the border, and Canadians report more satisfaction with their doctors. General health is also better up north, according to the World Health Organization: Life expectancy and healthy life expectancy are both higher in Canada; infant mortality is lower, and maternal mortality is significantly lower. There are fewer deaths from non-communicable diseases, cardiovascular diseases and injuries in Canada, though marginally more deaths from cancer. It’s not clear how much of the divergence is attributable to medical care, rather than other standard-of-living differences between the two countries. (For instance, according to the United Nations’ Human Development Index, Canada has a much higher school enrollment rate than the U.S., though it also has a lower GDP per capita.) But these statistics simply don’t support the notion that universal, single-payer health care is crippling the health of Canadian citizens compared with that of U.S. citizens.
Both countries, however, score low on health measures compared with other industrialized nations. In the Commonwealth Fund’s overall ranking of health system performance, Canada came in fifth and the U.S. came in sixth, out of six countries. On the other hand, the WHO’s 2000 World Health Report gave Canada a slightly better review, ranking it 30th for overall health system performance – above three of the other countries from the Commonwealth study (Australia, New Zealand and the U.S.) but below the other two (the U.K. and Germany). All of these countries, except the U.S., have publicly funded health care, as does every major country in the WHO’s top ten.

Anytime I have tried to get an appointment either thru my family doctor or myself for a specialist locally, the longest wait was 4 months and the shortest about 6 weeks.

Hospital Bob

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doubtingthomas wrote:

Anytime I have tried to get an appointment either thru my family doctor or myself for a specialist locally, the longest wait was 4 months and the shortest about 6 weeks.

I'm going to try to make an appointment with an oncologist tomorrow.  And I'm not being referred by another doctor.  Will be interesting to see how long it takes to get the appointment.

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Well let's guess. My first inclination knowing of quite a few that you may get in right away, but then again I bet they're going to question you why you need an appointment without a referring doctor that diagnosed you with cancer. I guess it's kind of a toss up.

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doubtingthomas wrote:Government math is incorrect:

He cited a new review process for insurers’ premiums that discourages increases greater than 10 percent as one example.
“The law is having its intended effect of making insurers more efficient,” Cohen said.


Simply not true, most here in Florida under 65 experienced a 14-22% rate increase on individual plans recently and Florida group plans anywhere from 5% to 50%. Don't know where these clowns get their figures. 

I received a rebate of $126 from my group plan which AL BC/BS and no rate increase.

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The large refunds for customers in Washington, Massachusetts, and Delaware underscores how plans in certain markets are far costlier than others due to a combination of profiteering and inefficient insurers that spend too much money on their administrative costs. And the biggest offenders in those states tend to be large, national insurance chains with high profit margins, according to more government data. AmeriHealth HMO has to give back almost $650,000 to large market plan holders; Coventry Health and Life Insurance (which has one of the most successful prescription drug plans in the United States) must return $440,000 to Americans on the individual market. In Washington, one insurance company — Regence BlueCross BlueShield — is responsible for almost the entirety of the state’s insurance rebates under Obamacare, returning $785,000 to individual plan owners.
http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/06/21/2194141/obamacare-

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doubtingthomas wrote:Government math is incorrect:

He cited a new review process for insurers’ premiums that discourages increases greater than 10 percent as one example.
“The law is having its intended effect of making insurers more efficient,” Cohen said.


Simply not true, most here in Florida under 65 experienced a 14-22% rate increase on individual plans recently and Florida group plans anywhere from 5% to 50%. Don't know where these clowns get their figures. 

They have to give those increases back so why they're raising them is foolish.See article.

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doubtingthomas wrote:Well let's guess. My first inclination knowing of quite a few that you may get in right away, but then again I bet they're going to question you why you need an appointment without a referring doctor that diagnosed you with cancer. I guess it's kind of a toss up.

The decision I have to make tomorrow is to either go to one of the Indian oncologists in my insurance network,  or go outside the network to an oncologist a friend has and likes.

For some reason about 80% of the oncologists on the network are Indian.
And I have no idea if it matters.  I know Indians are smart.  
And I checked the doctor review websites and the websites which report malpractice and "sanctions" etc.
And all of them have very good reputations.  That includes all the Indian doctors and the American doctor who is outside the network. All of them have ten plus years of practice.
So if ya'll can't give me some advice,  I can't decide which to pick.

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Dreamsglore wrote:
doubtingthomas wrote:Government math is incorrect:

He cited a new review process for insurers’ premiums that discourages increases greater than 10 percent as one example.
“The law is having its intended effect of making insurers more efficient,” Cohen said.


Simply not true, most here in Florida under 65 experienced a 14-22% rate increase on individual plans recently and Florida group plans anywhere from 5% to 50%. Don't know where these clowns get their figures. 

I received a rebate of $126 from my group plan which AL BC/BS and no rate increase.

Seems to me this is what you posted last year. Rebates normally don't start flowing out until August, so I guess Alabama is on the ball and you have your's early. You don't know if there was a rate increase in your group plan unless you are the owner or top management and privy to that info. Now no where in my statement did I mention any state except Florida, did I?

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Bob wrote:
doubtingthomas wrote:Well let's guess. My first inclination knowing of quite a few that you may get in right away, but then again I bet they're going to question you why you need an appointment without a referring doctor that diagnosed you with cancer. I guess it's kind of a toss up.

The decision I have to make tomorrow is to either go to one of the Indian oncologists in my insurance network,  or go outside the network to an oncologist a friend has and likes.

For some reason about 80% of the oncologists on the network are Indian.
And I have no idea if it matters.  I know Indians are smart.  
And I checked the doctor review websites and the websites which report malpractice and "sanctions" etc.
And all of them have very good reputations.  That includes all the Indian doctors and the American doctor who is outside the network.  All of them have ten plus years of practice.  
So if ya'll can't give me some advice,  I can't decide which to pick.

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doubtingthomas wrote:
Dreamsglore wrote:
doubtingthomas wrote:Government math is incorrect:

He cited a new review process for insurers’ premiums that discourages increases greater than 10 percent as one example.
“The law is having its intended effect of making insurers more efficient,” Cohen said.


Simply not true, most here in Florida under 65 experienced a 14-22% rate increase on individual plans recently and Florida group plans anywhere from 5% to 50%. Don't know where these clowns get their figures. 

I received a rebate of $126 from my group plan which AL BC/BS and no rate increase.

Seems to me this is what you posted last year. Rebates normally don't start flowing out until August, so I guess Alabama is on the ball and you have your's early. You don't know if there was a rate increase in your group plan unless you are the owner or top management and privy to that info. Now no where in my statement did I mention any state except Florida, did I?

The only rate increase I worry about is in my bottom line. If there was a rate increase to my employer we didn't know it. The point is no matter where the rate increases are occurring if the insurer is not spending 80% on healthcare you will get  a rebate.



Last edited by Dreamsglore on 6/23/2013, 3:01 pm; edited 1 time in total

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Dreamsglore wrote:The large refunds for customers in Washington, Massachusetts, and Delaware underscores how plans in certain markets are far costlier than others due to a combination of profiteering and inefficient insurers that spend too much money on their administrative costs. And the biggest offenders in those states tend to be large, national insurance chains with high profit margins, according to more government data. AmeriHealth HMO has to give back almost $650,000 to large market plan holders; Coventry Health and Life Insurance (which has one of the most successful prescription drug plans in the United States) must return $440,000 to Americans on the individual market. In Washington, one insurance company — Regence BlueCross BlueShield — is responsible for almost the entirety of the state’s insurance rebates under Obamacare, returning $785,000 to individual plan owners.
http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/06/21/2194141/obamacare-

Divide $785,000 by all the individual policy holders in Washington State that has regence and see what they are getting back, a drop in the bucket. BTW is does piss me off that any of the companies were allowed to raise the rates more than 5% just before the open enrollment. Pretty piss poor thinking in my opinion.

Oh, you'll have to do some research on this because I can't remember where I read it last week, but may have to do with Gov Scott that will waive any regulatory approval rate increases for the next year, meaning there is no top. Also I think these insurance companies get around admin costs to some extent by acquiring new health related business's and building funds and r & d.

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Dreamsglore wrote:
doubtingthomas wrote:
Dreamsglore wrote:
doubtingthomas wrote:Government math is incorrect:

He cited a new review process for insurers’ premiums that discourages increases greater than 10 percent as one example.
“The law is having its intended effect of making insurers more efficient,” Cohen said.


Simply not true, most here in Florida under 65 experienced a 14-22% rate increase on individual plans recently and Florida group plans anywhere from 5% to 50%. Don't know where these clowns get their figures. 

I received a rebate of $126 from my group plan which AL BC/BS and no rate increase.

Seems to me this is what you posted last year. Rebates normally don't start flowing out until August, so I guess Alabama is on the ball and you have your's early. You don't know if there was a rate increase in your group plan unless you are the owner or top management and privy to that info. Now no where in my statement did I mention any state except Florida, did I?

The only rate increase I worry about is in my bottom line. If there was a rate increase to my employer we didn't know it. The point is no matter where the rate increases are occurring if the insurer is not spending 80% on healthcare you will get  a rebate.

85% on group and how long do you think your employer is going to keep footing the whole premium without passing more on to the employee? I received a whopping $8.00 last year. Don't have to worry about this year.

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doubtingthomas wrote:
Dreamsglore wrote:
doubtingthomas wrote:
Dreamsglore wrote:
doubtingthomas wrote:Government math is incorrect:

He cited a new review process for insurers’ premiums that discourages increases greater than 10 percent as one example.
“The law is having its intended effect of making insurers more efficient,” Cohen said.


Simply not true, most here in Florida under 65 experienced a 14-22% rate increase on individual plans recently and Florida group plans anywhere from 5% to 50%. Don't know where these clowns get their figures. 

I received a rebate of $126 from my group plan which AL BC/BS and no rate increase.

Seems to me this is what you posted last year. Rebates normally don't start flowing out until August, so I guess Alabama is on the ball and you have your's early. You don't know if there was a rate increase in your group plan unless you are the owner or top management and privy to that info. Now no where in my statement did I mention any state except Florida, did I?

The only rate increase I worry about is in my bottom line. If there was a rate increase to my employer we didn't know it. The point is no matter where the rate increases are occurring if the insurer is not spending 80% on healthcare you will get  a rebate.

85% on group and how long do you think your employer is going to keep footing the whole premium without passing more on to the employee? I received a whopping $8.00 last year. Don't have to worry about this year.
I don't know but if it becomes too expensive then I'll go on Obamacare and get a subsidy.

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