President Obama's New Years Eve Press conference

2seaoat wrote:Republicans have already agreed to raise taxes on the rich, haven't they?

Nope....no such bill has passed the house.

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:I liked the President's speech. I think he is setting up Congress to revert back to Democratic control in 2014. That way Obama has two unfettered years to push his agenda forward--at flank speed--during has last two years, and torment and torture right-wing Americans all along the way.

2seaoat wrote:The President just made sure the house will not approve any bill the Senate gets done at the last minute. I felt he was spiking the ball in their face.....he is talking avoidance of the fiscal cliff, but his talk today did absolutely nothing to accomplish that goal......we are going over the cliff.....the president should have stayed quiet if he seriously wanted a deal....he was all laughs and happy and he was sticking it in the face of the house.....the president does not want a deal....it was obvious.

Nekochan wrote:

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:I liked the President's speech. I think he is setting up Congress to revert back to Democratic control in 2014. That way Obama has two unfettered years to push his agenda forward--at flank speed--during has last two years, and torment and torture right-wing Americans all along the way.

I thought you were for Ron Paul and CUTS in spending? How can you like the course you describe?

2seaoat wrote:I voted for Johnson. I will pay higher taxes if we go over the cliff and I will smile knowing that we are helping my grandchildren. No whining here, I am just calling em like I saw em.....the President just spiked the ball in order to not have Congress reach an Agreement.....it was obvious, and a half hour after I started this thread....John McCain took to the senate floor and said exactly what I have been saying.

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:

Nekochan wrote:

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:I liked the President's speech. I think he is setting up Congress to revert back to Democratic control in 2014. That way Obama has two unfettered years to push his agenda forward--at flank speed--during has last two years, and torment and torture right-wing Americans all along the way.

I thought you were for Ron Paul and CUTS in spending? How can you like the course you describe?

Of course, Ron Paul's course is the ideal. That is why I voted for Gary Johnson in November. Neither Boehner's GOP Congress nor Obama and the Democratic Senate will cut enough in the necessary places to make a difference. The theater is fun to watch, though.

My sentiments are exactly as Seoat's, who I think is reading this near 100% straight.

There needs to be deep cuts to every government program in existence, including the sacred ones (entitlements and defense spending). No politician serving today will go there, however. I was reading my copy of Aviation Week magazine today, which is a mouthpiece for the MIC, and defense companies already know their share of the government pie is going to shrink in the coming years. Bloated programs that are poorly managed (and there are several) are going to be cancelled or trimmed and only those which give a good return on investment and are well managed will survive.

2seaoat wrote:I disagree that the President will look good if taxes go up on middle class Americans.


All the house had to do was sign the senate bill.....the middle class would be fine. No, the president is going to return the torture of his last two years in Congress.....he has flipped the table.......Obama's statement today was spiking the ball.

2seaoat wrote:I voted for Johnson. I will pay higher taxes if we go over the cliff and I will smile knowing that we are helping my grandchildren. No whining here, I am just calling em like I saw em.....the President just spiked the ball in order to not have Congress reach an Agreement.....it was obvious, and a half hour after I started this thread....John McCain took to the senate floor and said exactly what I have been saying.

Nekochan wrote:

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:

Nekochan wrote:

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:I liked the President's speech. I think he is setting up Congress to revert back to Democratic control in 2014. That way Obama has two unfettered years to push his agenda forward--at flank speed--during has last two years, and torment and torture right-wing Americans all along the way.

I thought you were for Ron Paul and CUTS in spending? How can you like the course you describe?

Of course, Ron Paul's course is the ideal. That is why I voted for Gary Johnson in November. Neither Boehner's GOP Congress nor Obama and the Democratic Senate will cut enough in the necessary places to make a difference. The theater is fun to watch, though.

My sentiments are exactly as Seoat's, who I think is reading this near 100% straight.

There needs to be deep cuts to every government program in existence, including the sacred ones (entitlements and defense spending). No politician serving today will go there, however. I was reading my copy of Aviation Week magazine today, which is a mouthpiece for the MIC, and defense companies already know their share of the government pie is going to shrink in the coming years. Bloated programs that are poorly managed (and there are several) are going to be cancelled or trimmed and only those which give a good return on investment and are well managed will survive.

I actually agree with you that everything needs to be cut, except I think that Ron Paul would have wanted to cut defense too much. I also agree that neither Republicans or Democrats are willing to make the cuts that are needed. That said, I don't know how you can like the idea of Democrats having the Presidency and control of both Houses of Congress.

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:I liked the President's speech. I think he is setting up Congress to revert back to Democratic control in 2014. That way Obama has two unfettered years to push his agenda forward--at flank speed--during has last two years, and torment and torture right-wing Americans all along the way.