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51Time to Choose … - Page 3 Empty Re: Time to Choose … 3/10/2022, 10:42 am



At what point will confessing to being a useful idiot be less embarrassing  than holding tight and looking like a willing co-conspirator?

Genuinely curious about this.

It doesn't matter how many times you parrot that propaganda (or the media feeds it to you)... it doesn't make it true. That's obviously all you've got left when you're following terrible leadership.

Biden cancels keystone pipeline for US good. Dems: yay team..!!

Biden approves Russian pipeline for Putin. Dems: yay team..!!

Biden cancels Russian pipeline to punish Russia. Dems: yay team..!!

It doesn't get any more useful than that.

52Time to Choose … - Page 3 Empty Re: Time to Choose … 3/10/2022, 11:25 am



Biden Defeats Worst POTUS in American History. Dems say Go Biden!

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53Time to Choose … - Page 3 Empty Re: Time to Choose … 3/10/2022, 1:24 pm


One thing I'm amazed at is the consistency of conservatives revealing that they don't know a goddamn thing about the Keystone Pipeline, either about its purpose or even of its actual existence in the real world. They think it's "magic" and would give us tons of cheap fuel (it wouldn't, it was for tar sands, which are notoriously nasty, impractical stuff), think it was for the benefit of the United States (it's Canadian and the United States was mostly getting the ecological damage and left to dispose of the toxic slurry), that it's actually complete (only about 8% was ever even built but they seem to think it's all there and has just been "turned off"), etc.

They don't actually look into anything, they just repeat things they're told, like parakeets. Ah, the logical capacities of people who are taught about "Jesus" from infancy... Rolling Eyes

Facts, however, are a little more... inconvenient.

But others, including environmentalists who oppose the pipeline mainly because extracting oil from tar sands releases more greenhouse gases than other methods of harvesting oil, also argue the pipeline will do little or nothing to boost US energy security and will actually lead to higher oil prices in the Midwest.

“Rather than providing the US with more Canadian oil, Keystone XL will simply shift oil from the Midwest to the Gulf Coast, where much of it can be exported to international buyers – decreasing US energy supply and increasing the cost of oil in the American Midwest,” concludes a new study by the Natural Resources Defense Council, a New York-based environmental advocacy non-profit group, citing numerous TransCanada studies and the transcripts of Canadian federal hearings.

But it’s not just environmentalists who are howling in the wilderness.

“The firms involved have asked the US State Department to approve this project, even as they’ve told Canadian government officials how the pipeline can be used to add at least $4 billion to the US fuel bill,” Philip K. Verleger, president of PKVerleger LLC, a Colorado consulting firm that specializes in research on oil market economics, wrote in a Minneapolis Star-Tribune commentary last March.

US farmers who spent $12.4 billion on fuel in 2009 could see those costs rise to $15 billion or higher if the pipeline goes through, he projects. At least $500 million of the added cost “would come from the Canadian market manipulation,” he wrote.

“Millions of Americans will spend 10 to 20 cents more per gallon for gasoline and diesel fuel as tribute to our ‘friendly’ neighbors to the north,” the highly respected Dr. Verleger wrote. “The Keystone XL pipeline will move production from Canadian oil sands to a deepwater port from where it can be exported.”

But that is not merely Verleger’s opinion. It’s based on findings of the economic consultants hired by TransCanada – contained in their analyses of the pipeline’s impact on Canadian oil producers and in official testimony before Canada's National Energy Board.

“Existing markets for Canadian heavy crude, principally [the US Midwest], are currently oversupplied, resulting in price discounting for Canadian heavy crude oil,” concludes a 2009 analysis on behalf of TransCanada by Purvin & Gertz, Inc., an oil economics firm based in Houston. “Access to the [US Gulf Coast] via the Keystone XL Pipeline is expected to strengthen Canadian crude oil pricing in [the Midwest market] by removing this oversupply. This is expected to increase the price of heavy crude to the equivalent cost of imported crude.”

Here's a hint: it it was actually that great a deal for the United States and would make us a lot of money, Democrats wouldn't shun it. They're money-hungry too, y'know. If it makes money they're not gonna pass it up for "green" anything. Biden, in fact, expanded drilling permits. Conservative arguments are flat-out bullshit. I get it, conservatives are trained to hate the other team (even when they do shit conservatives would cheer for if one of their own did it) and rah-rah their own (no matter how lousy or incompetent a job they do -- they completely ignore Trump's pathetic bending over for Putin). I get it. But I wish they'd quit being fucking stupid and think that the stereotypes of Dems in their heads bear any resemblance to the real thing. Dems aren't going to pass up good money-making deals for the U.S. just because of some ideology. The only difference is, Dems just don't take quite as many bribes from lobbyists, at least not quite as cheaply or easily. (And if anybody wants to argue that with me, I have family members who are embedded deep with the Pickerings, I've got inside info on Republican payoff shit, and I'll turn you into fucking paste.)

Also, they want to credit Trump with lower gas prices, ignoring the fact that those prices they keep touting were because America was on lockdown due to COVID and nobody was fucking driving. Low demand means low prices... but you'd have to have some basic economic knowledge to know that, and "conservative treehouse" or whatever ain't gonna teach ya that stuff. And even if it did they'd ignore it because it wouldn't fit their confirmation bias.

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54Time to Choose … - Page 3 Empty Re: Time to Choose … 3/10/2022, 2:49 pm



Biden is giving Russia 'more leverage' in Iran Deal talks, national security experts warn

As the United States and the West impose heavy sanctions on Russia amid its invasion of Ukraine, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov demanded that any Ukraine-related sanctions not interfere with potential business with Iran as Russia serves as an intermediary in restoring a new nuclear deal between the U.S. and Iran.

National security experts running for Congress slammed Biden for giving Russia "leverage" amid the Ukraine war.

"Russia being given an intermediary role in the shaping of the Iran deal is ludicrous and is handing leverage over to Russia," Terry Namkung, a 20-year Air Force veteran and founder of a renewable energy company, told Fox News Digital.

"When you consider how much leverage Russia already has because – thanks in large part to Joe Biden – they’ve forced dependency on us and on Europe through their oil production, it puts the United States in a precarious position to give Russia even more leverage," Namkung, a candidate for Congress in Virginia's 3rd Congressional District, added.

Talks to reestablish the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA), from which former President Trump formally withdrew in May 2018, began in April 2021. Iran has refused to negotiate directly with the U.S., so other parties to the agreement, including Britain, France, Germany, Russia, China, and the European Union, have served as intermediaries, The Wall Street Journal reported. Lavrov appeared to leverage this position to combat potential sanctions this past Saturday.

"We have asked for a written guarantee…that the current process triggered by the United States does not in any way damage our right to free and full trade, economic and investment cooperation and military-technical cooperation with the Islamic State," Lavrov said.


U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken told CBS that the western sanctions on Russia "have nothing to do with…the Iranian nuclear deal."

"We need strong leadership and need maximum sanctions towards Russia," Namkung added. "I am wholeheartedly against the 2015 Iran deal and I don’t expect to see any improvement from Biden’s new deal, especially if Russia is acting as a go-between."

"We need strong leaders again who will stand up to the likes of both Russia and Iran, and who will open up our domestic oil pipeline," the candidate said.

Gina Ciarcia, wife to a retired Marine officer and a candidate for Congress in Virginia's 7th Congressional District, warned that President Biden is giving Russian President Vladimir Putin "more leverage" by having Russia act as an intermediary in the talks. She noted that Russia's status as a key oil producer for Europe limits the West's ability to counter Putin, and these Iran negotiations make things worse.

"He has already handed Russia ample leverage to limit recourse options for us and for Europe during Russia’s current acts of aggression; now he is giving Russia even more leverage, and allowing them to exert influence in our handling of another bad actor, Iran."

55Time to Choose … - Page 3 Empty Re: Time to Choose … 3/10/2022, 6:03 pm



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56Time to Choose … - Page 3 Empty Re: Time to Choose … 3/11/2022, 10:00 am


Sal wrote:

Madison Cawthorn is an idiotic piece of shit.

The scary thing is... he's playing to his base. Their base is actively pro-Putin now, so that's what he's feeding them.

When life gives you lemmings... make lemmingade. Dasvidanya, motherfuckers.

The Republican base may be showing some cracks, though. I've got a co-worker who's a hardcore right-winger, and a major idiot. I've mentioned her before. Well, a few days ago she came up to me and said, "My friends are INSANE. I don't know what happened to them, I thought they were intelligent, but they're IDIOTS!"

So I was thinking, "Oh man, what now?" and thought I was gonna hear her go off that they liked Biden or something.

Nope. It was a surprise to me, but she said, "They're cheering for Putin! They think Putin is a good guy and that Ukraine are evil and involved in human trafficking! Putin's bombing hospitals and they're saying 'Go, Putin!' They're crazy!"

Then she said they'd gotten into all this QAnon stuff... which I figured she'd be buying into, since she's believed some of the fringey stuff of it, but it finally went too far for her and now she thinks they're crazy because they believe JFK Jr.'s going to come back and lead them... when he was a Democrat, anyway.

She still likes Trump, but she's starting to see that a lot of the crazy stuff her friends are saying about Biden is bullshit. Like, she knows the gas prices aren't Biden's fault, etc.

So, amazingly, there's always a glimmer of hope even for people who seemed the farthest gone. There are limits and Republicans are starting to reach them and fracture off from the craziest parts of their party.

Guess that's inevitable, though. The Republican party's not really a political party at this point -- it's a religious group. Politics has become religion to them, which is why they believe so much of the insane shit they believe. Facts and logic have no place in religion -- it's all "faith." And that's all MAGA has -- "faith." Facts don't back 'em up. Their leaders are basically televangelists and their "news" sources are basically church -- different words, maybe, but same cadence.

And since it's a religion, it's going to do the only thing religions are actually good at -- creating divisions. Sectarian Republicans.

When we do officially go to war with Putin -- and that's looking pretty likely because we've really seen this pattern before, haven't we? We're not going to have a lot of choice in the matter -- we're going to have a rather large fifth column to deal with, domestically, because a hell of a lot of conservatives are so hopelessly brainwashed that they're going to side against their own country. The GOP is made up of WAY too many Russian assets now, all because they're too goddamned dumb to spot real fascism when they're having their noses rubbed in it.

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57Time to Choose … - Page 3 Empty Re: Time to Choose … 3/12/2022, 2:28 am



Meanwhile... Biden is negotiating with Russia, SA, Iran, NK, Venezuela.. etc.

You must be a paid fool.

58Time to Choose … - Page 3 Empty Re: Time to Choose … 3/12/2022, 7:52 am



PkrBum wrote:Meanwhile... Biden is negotiating with Russia, SA, Iran, NK, Venezuela.. etc.

You must be a paid fool.

While you're a free fool. lol!

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