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Sal wrote:

bigdog wrote:Kamala Harris was sleeping with a married man and improving her career by doing it.

This is a lazy, hateful, misogynistic attempt to dismiss a formidable, hard-working and talented woman.

Her dating life is none of my business, and there's not a single successful San Francisco politician who wasn't connected to Willie Brown during that era.

Raise your game.

That's just pathetic.

Sal wrote:“It’s not enough to knock the current occupant out of the White House. Things were broken before he ever got there ... a country that is healed & in good shape does not elect a man like that to president”

- Elizabeth Warren addressing an overflow crowd of nearly 700 in NH 07/10/19

Nailed it.

bigdog wrote:

Sal wrote:

bigdog wrote:Kamala Harris was sleeping with a married man and improving her career by doing it.

This is a lazy, hateful, misogynistic attempt to dismiss a formidable, hard-working and talented woman.

Her dating life is none of my business, and there's not a single successful San Francisco politician who wasn't connected to Willie Brown during that era.

Raise your game.

That's just pathetic.

Did it not happen? It will become your business if you manage to make her the nominee of the party, because it's the first thing about her the Republicans will bring up. They'll say they don't mind a woman nominee (not true, of course) but they just can't stand one that slept her way to the top.
Why can't you use your brain and see ahead to anyone's faults except Joe Biden's? She wasn't CONNECTED to Willie Brown, she slept with him. It happened. It wasn't one time. It was an affair.  It was known at the time. Keep wearing those blinders Sal, because she's not going to get the nomination anyway  because of she was  a very tough prosecutor on small drug matters too. See what you want to see, but remember, that's what the other side does. She's not really a progressive.

I didn't make up any bad stuff about the poor little lady. Maybe USA did? Or are they a fake news agency?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2019/01/27/willie-brown-kamala-harris-san-francisco-chronicle-letter/2695143002/

bigdog wrote:

Sal wrote:“It’s not enough to knock the current occupant out of the White House. Things were broken before he ever got there ... a country that is healed & in good shape does not elect a man like that to president”

- Elizabeth Warren addressing an overflow crowd of nearly 700 in NH 07/10/19

Nailed it.

So, our poor broken country is Obama's fault?

That’s a really dumb take.

Raise your game.  

Elizabeth Warren comes across as a school vice principal who doles out detention and suspensions. That's what's wrong with her personality.
Nobody really likes that person.

No, that’s your bias.  She comes across as a brave, whip-smart, woman who is eager to fight for the working class in the United States. I really like that person. It’s a shame you don’t. You should take a long look at why that is.

I guess you blame Al Gore for losing his election too, right?

Another really dumb take.  

Raise your game.

Sal wrote:

bigdog wrote:

Sal wrote:

bigdog wrote:Kamala Harris was sleeping with a married man and improving her career by doing it.

This is a lazy, hateful, misogynistic attempt to dismiss a formidable, hard-working and talented woman.

Her dating life is none of my business, and there's not a single successful San Francisco politician who wasn't connected to Willie Brown during that era.

Raise your game.

That's just pathetic.

Did it not happen? It will become your business if you manage to make her the nominee of the party, because it's the first thing about her the Republicans will bring up. They'll say they don't mind a woman nominee (not true, of course) but they just can't stand one that slept her way to the top.
Why can't you use your brain and see ahead to anyone's faults except Joe Biden's? She wasn't CONNECTED to Willie Brown, she slept with him. It happened. It wasn't one time. It was an affair.  It was known at the time. Keep wearing those blinders Sal, because she's not going to get the nomination anyway  because of she was  a very tough prosecutor on small drug matters too. See what you want to see, but remember, that's what the other side does. She's not really a progressive.

I didn't make up any bad stuff about the poor little lady. Maybe USA did? Or are they a fake news agency?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2019/01/27/willie-brown-kamala-harris-san-francisco-chronicle-letter/2695143002/

I don’t get all tied up in knots over adult consensual relationships.

That’s a Republican game.

Why are you playing? [rhetorical]

Telstar wrote:

Sal wrote:

bigdog wrote:

Sal wrote:

bigdog wrote:Kamala Harris was sleeping with a married man and improving her career by doing it.

This is a lazy, hateful, misogynistic attempt to dismiss a formidable, hard-working and talented woman.

Her dating life is none of my business, and there's not a single successful San Francisco politician who wasn't connected to Willie Brown during that era.

Raise your game.

That's just pathetic.

Did it not happen? It will become your business if you manage to make her the nominee of the party, because it's the first thing about her the Republicans will bring up. They'll say they don't mind a woman nominee (not true, of course) but they just can't stand one that slept her way to the top.
Why can't you use your brain and see ahead to anyone's faults except Joe Biden's? She wasn't CONNECTED to Willie Brown, she slept with him. It happened. It wasn't one time. It was an affair.  It was known at the time. Keep wearing those blinders Sal, because she's not going to get the nomination anyway  because of she was  a very tough prosecutor on small drug matters too. See what you want to see, but remember, that's what the other side does. She's not really a progressive.

I didn't make up any bad stuff about the poor little lady. Maybe USA did? Or are they a fake news agency?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2019/01/27/willie-brown-kamala-harris-san-francisco-chronicle-letter/2695143002/

I don’t get all tied up in knots over adult consensual relationships.

That’s a Republican game.

Why are you playing? [rhetorical]

Once a rebubiklan, always a repubiklan.

bigdog wrote:

Sal wrote:“It’s not enough to knock the current occupant out of the White House. Things were broken before he ever got there ... a country that is healed & in good shape does not elect a man like that to president”

- Elizabeth Warren addressing an overflow crowd of nearly 700 in NH 07/10/19

Nailed it.

So, our poor broken country is Obama's fault? As I remember, he was president before Trump. The only thing broken about America was that the racists that just could not stand having had 8 years of a black president all showed up in 2016.

And DAMN it, if Ms Warren were here today, I would remind her that this country never elected Donald Trump to the White House. We were not broken that badly. We have a damnable electoral college and a lot of Russian intervention to blame, but the Dems still got 3 million more votes.

The worst thing wrong with the Democratic party is all the soul searching that went on after 2016, complaining about Clinton and wondering if we needed to move left. No. That election was not a loss because Clinton was too moderate.  Americans voted Democratic. Stop doing autopsies on something that was never dead.


Elizabeth Warren comes across as a school vice principal who doles out detention and suspensions. That's what's wrong with her personality.
Nobody really likes that person.

I guess you blame Al Gore for losing his election too, right?

Sal wrote:

Telstar wrote:

Sal wrote:

bigdog wrote:

Sal wrote:

bigdog wrote:Kamala Harris was sleeping with a married man and improving her career by doing it.

This is a lazy, hateful, misogynistic attempt to dismiss a formidable, hard-working and talented woman.

Her dating life is none of my business, and there's not a single successful San Francisco politician who wasn't connected to Willie Brown during that era.

Raise your game.

That's just pathetic.

Did it not happen? It will become your business if you manage to make her the nominee of the party, because it's the first thing about her the Republicans will bring up. They'll say they don't mind a woman nominee (not true, of course) but they just can't stand one that slept her way to the top.
Why can't you use your brain and see ahead to anyone's faults except Joe Biden's? She wasn't CONNECTED to Willie Brown, she slept with him. It happened. It wasn't one time. It was an affair.  It was known at the time. Keep wearing those blinders Sal, because she's not going to get the nomination anyway  because of she was  a very tough prosecutor on small drug matters too. See what you want to see, but remember, that's what the other side does. She's not really a progressive.

I didn't make up any bad stuff about the poor little lady. Maybe USA did? Or are they a fake news agency?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2019/01/27/willie-brown-kamala-harris-san-francisco-chronicle-letter/2695143002/

I don’t get all tied up in knots over adult consensual relationships.

That’s a Republican game.

Why are you playing? [rhetorical]

Once a rebubiklan, always a repubiklan.

She’s questioned her race.

She’s tried slut shaming.

It’s right out of Spammity’s playbook.

Pathetic.

bigdog wrote:Sal, I don't give a rat's ass what you think personally about adult consentual relationships.
I care what American voters think about women who sleep their way to the top of their career ladder. You THINK they  all  think like you, and they  do NOT.
And I never once questioned her race. I questioned her ability to argue that she knows what African Americans went through as children when she didn't even LIVE IN AMERICA during most of her childhood. Her busing comment was ridiculous. She was bussed. Nobody stopped her from going to an integrated school. She knows NOTHING about what was going on in the rest of the country, because for the short time she lived in the US, she lived in Berkeley.
You're the fool and it's you that needs to sharpen your game.


Do you REALLY think the Republicans wouldn't bring that stuff out during a general election? And Do you not see that it makes her out to be as fake as she can be? I'd like to get rid of Donald Trump with this election.
Of course you don't see what she is,  and neither does T. She's a beautiful woman. My God. Drag your brains out from between your legs and see if there's any possibility you can get them to operate again.


Men are so f__cking easy.

bigdog wrote:
People assume men are dogs, so Trump got by with his promiscuous background. It's not fair, but most people still expect more from women. I'm not spreading it around, there aren't enough people on this forum to influence a vote anyway. And now is the time for any baggage the candidates have to come out. Not after they get the nomination.

bigdog wrote:

Sal wrote:“It’s not enough to knock the current occupant out of the White House. Things were broken before he ever got there ... a country that is healed & in good shape does not elect a man like that to president”

- Elizabeth Warren addressing an overflow crowd of nearly 700 in NH 07/10/19

Nailed it.

So, our poor broken country is Obama's fault? As I remember, he was president before Trump. The only thing broken about America was that the racists that just could not stand having had 8 years of a black president all showed up in 2016.

And DAMN it, if Ms Warren were here today, I would remind her that this country never elected Donald Trump to the White House. We were not broken that badly. We have a damnable electoral college and a lot of Russian intervention to blame, but the Dems still got 3 million more votes.

The worst thing wrong with the Democratic party is all the soul searching that went on after 2016, complaining about Clinton and wondering if we needed to move left. No. That election was not a loss because Clinton was too moderate.  Americans voted Democratic. Stop doing autopsies on something that was never dead.


Elizabeth Warren comes across as a school vice principal who doles out detention and suspensions. That's what's wrong with her personality.
Nobody really likes that person.

I guess you blame Al Gore for losing his election too, right?

Floridatexan wrote:

bigdog wrote:

Sal wrote:“It’s not enough to knock the current occupant out of the White House. Things were broken before he ever got there ... a country that is healed & in good shape does not elect a man like that to president”

- Elizabeth Warren addressing an overflow crowd of nearly 700 in NH 07/10/19

Nailed it.

So, our poor broken country is Obama's fault? As I remember, he was president before Trump. The only thing broken about America was that the racists that just could not stand having had 8 years of a black president all showed up in 2016.

And DAMN it, if Ms Warren were here today, I would remind her that this country never elected Donald Trump to the White House. We were not broken that badly. We have a damnable electoral college and a lot of Russian intervention to blame, but the Dems still got 3 million more votes.

The worst thing wrong with the Democratic party is all the soul searching that went on after 2016, complaining about Clinton and wondering if we needed to move left. No. That election was not a loss because Clinton was too moderate.  Americans voted Democratic. Stop doing autopsies on something that was never dead.


Elizabeth Warren comes across as a school vice principal who doles out detention and suspensions. That's what's wrong with her personality.
Nobody really likes that person.

I guess you blame Al Gore for losing his election too, right?

She is much more than than.  Are you full of envy?

Sal wrote:

Floridatexan wrote:

bigdog wrote:

Sal wrote:“It’s not enough to knock the current occupant out of the White House. Things were broken before he ever got there ... a country that is healed & in good shape does not elect a man like that to president”

- Elizabeth Warren addressing an overflow crowd of nearly 700 in NH 07/10/19

Nailed it.

So, our poor broken country is Obama's fault? As I remember, he was president before Trump. The only thing broken about America was that the racists that just could not stand having had 8 years of a black president all showed up in 2016.

And DAMN it, if Ms Warren were here today, I would remind her that this country never elected Donald Trump to the White House. We were not broken that badly. We have a damnable electoral college and a lot of Russian intervention to blame, but the Dems still got 3 million more votes.

The worst thing wrong with the Democratic party is all the soul searching that went on after 2016, complaining about Clinton and wondering if we needed to move left. No. That election was not a loss because Clinton was too moderate.  Americans voted Democratic. Stop doing autopsies on something that was never dead.


Elizabeth Warren comes across as a school vice principal who doles out detention and suspensions. That's what's wrong with her personality.
Nobody really likes that person.

I guess you blame Al Gore for losing his election too, right?

She is much more than than.  Are you full of envy?

She’s full of something.

bigdog wrote:

Sal wrote:

Floridatexan wrote:

bigdog wrote:

Sal wrote:“It’s not enough to knock the current occupant out of the White House. Things were broken before he ever got there ... a country that is healed & in good shape does not elect a man like that to president”

- Elizabeth Warren addressing an overflow crowd of nearly 700 in NH 07/10/19

Nailed it.

So, our poor broken country is Obama's fault? As I remember, he was president before Trump. The only thing broken about America was that the racists that just could not stand having had 8 years of a black president all showed up in 2016.

And DAMN it, if Ms Warren were here today, I would remind her that this country never elected Donald Trump to the White House. We were not broken that badly. We have a damnable electoral college and a lot of Russian intervention to blame, but the Dems still got 3 million more votes.

The worst thing wrong with the Democratic party is all the soul searching that went on after 2016, complaining about Clinton and wondering if we needed to move left. No. That election was not a loss because Clinton was too moderate.  Americans voted Democratic. Stop doing autopsies on something that was never dead.


Elizabeth Warren comes across as a school vice principal who doles out detention and suspensions. That's what's wrong with her personality.
Nobody really likes that person.

I guess you blame Al Gore for losing his election too, right?

She is much more than than.  Are you full of envy?

She’s full of something.

Why would I envy Elizabeth Warren. I am aware that she's a very smart woman with a lot of good ideas.
Except for trying to prove she was an American Indian when Trump challenged her, showing her insecurity and inability to ignore the words of a total fool, she doesn't really have any baggage. 
That particular piece of baggage tells me she will fall for every comment the right makes about her and the election would be nothing but her trying to defend herself against Trump. I don't think Elizabeth warren has a chance against Donald Trump.
I also don't think the 2016 election would have been nearly as close had Hillary Clinton turned around and told Donald Trump to back off when he was stalking her like Frankenstein during the  debates. She allowed him to get away with looming over her while she was talking, and it showed she either was scared or, more likely, didn't take him seriously enough to tell him off. She should have turned around, faced him, and  let him have it on that stage that night, and she did not. Elizabeth Warren would have done exactly the same thing. People who don't understand bullies like Trump can simply not win against them.
One comment I liked that Biden made about trump was that he didn't want to deal with him, he wanted to take him out behind the school and fight him. That's someone that understands bullies. I don't think Elizabeth Warren did at all. I think Hillary was a much better candidate than Warren would be against Trump, and she's not in the White House either. 

As for me trashing Kamala Harris- more than one candidate has already stated that she should not have attacked Biden the way she did in the debate the other night. Talk about giving the Repukes ammo for their guns, Ms Harris is still doing just that. She's still talking about it on the View. Trashing other Dems is her game. Maybe she must be a secret Republican too, huh? 
Sounds like it, since that's what you are accusing me of doing. And I'm just on a very insignificant internet forum. She's on national TV.

bigdog wrote:What the hell are you talking about and what it that OPINION piece from a website called VICE all about?   You just out and out lied, by the way. The article states clearly, in plain English, that Joe Biden did not endorse this Republican over a Democrat. Yeah, I actually read it. Surprise. He endorsed neither candidate.  It's unbelievable you would post a link to such a scummy site. It  derides Biden for being friends with John McCain, who WAS responsible for saving Obama care for people like my sister who have to use it because she's too young for Medicare and has multiple pre-existing conditions and serious health problems. I say bless John McCain's heart for doing that. 
He apparently praised a republican for helping out with Cancer research. How horrible of him!!!!!! Biden shouldn't give a damn about Cancer research. He shouldn't think somebody that supports it did something good  just because Biden's own son died of cancer. 
What a gullible fool the man is. He should have gotten up there and cussed the man out for being a member of the wrong political party.

That whole article is an opinion piece and nothing but B.S. You'd remove it if you respected your own postings.

Here's what I know. You apparently are mostly angry because I said Richard Nixon did some good things when he was president. All you care about remembering from his administration is Watergate. That's exactly the same as the Vietnam Vets who still despise Lyndon Johnson and can't remember any of the great strides he helped this country make in Civil Rights during his administration. Johnson's presidency, absent Vietnam, was a good presidency. He threw the Democratic party under the bus in the South by having the guts to pass legislation that he knew, and he said, would destroy the Democratic party down here for a generation to come. He was wrong about the duration of the hate here, he underestimated it. But his presidency will go down in history as the Vietnam years, period. 

People who have gone so far to one side of the spectrum that they can't see any good at all in the other are not a hell of a lot different from the Trump lovers. They think all Dems are out to destroy America.
Only seeing one facet of a human being makes it easy to get through life. You can slap a label on somebody and go on about your business. But it's damned lazy thinking. And it makes for a civilization that will eventually collapse from hate and warfare.
You don't much care for my attitude, I don't much care for the way you are thinking right now. I respected you more than that.

But if you want to see only perfection in Kamala Harris and pretend she's not being disingenuous, and you only want to see evil in Joe Biden because he was friends with John McCain and worked with other members of Congress back in the 70's, as did Jimmy Carter, by the way, it's really not much worth having discussions about it anymore.
It would be about the same as trying to change the minds of a Trump voter, and that's useless. Because to them, Trump is ALL GOOD.
Good luck with the future of the Democratic party if the pure Bernie loving progressives are what it ends up being. Because eventually, the sane people in America will get together and form a moderate party that understands you have to speak to other people, including people like Pkr, if you want this country to last. Not speaking to the other side is the number one clue that you've gotten too rigid in your thinking. Just like Republicans.