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The Trump FISA and Text Dump

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1The Trump FISA and Text Dump Empty The Trump FISA and Text Dump 9/17/2018, 5:56 pm

PkrBum

PkrBum

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/statement-press-secretary-34/

At the request of a number of committees of Congress, and for reasons of transparency, the President has directed the Office of the Director of National Intelligence and the Department of Justice (including the FBI) to provide for the immediate declassification of the following materials: (1) pages 10-12 and 17-34 of the June 2017 application to the FISA court in the matter of Carter W. Page; (2) all FBI reports of interviews with Bruce G. Ohr prepared in connection with the Russia investigation; and (3) all FBI reports of interviews prepared in connection with all Carter Page FISA applications.

In addition, President Donald J. Trump has directed the Department of Justice (including the FBI) to publicly release all text messages relating to the Russia investigation, without redaction, of James Comey, Andrew McCabe, Peter Strzok, Lisa Page, and Bruce Ohr.

ConservaLady

ConservaLady

"And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." John 8:32

knothead

knothead

One thing less for the alt right to whine about . . .

RealLindaL



This order during an active investigation, and which may likely (and dangerously!) reveal sources and methods, is clearly an abuse of power.

PkrBum

PkrBum

Your president is THE classification authority. He can declassify whatever he wants within the statutes.

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

PkrBum wrote:Your president is THE classification authority. He can declassify whatever he wants within the statutes.

Tell us my racist, Nazi friend, just what are the qualities you so admire in Herr Twitler?

PkrBum

PkrBum

Wordslinger wrote:
PkrBum wrote:Your president is THE classification authority. He can declassify whatever he wants within the statutes.

Tell us my racist, Nazi friend, just what are the qualities you so admire in Herr Twitler?

You must be afraid of transparency to throw around pejoratives like that... especially on the internet.

The house of cards that Hillary and the dnc created via the justice dept is coming down w the actors.

zsomething



Wordslinger wrote:
PkrBum wrote:Your president is THE classification authority. He can declassify whatever he wants within the statutes.

Tell us my racist, Nazi friend, just what are the qualities you so admire in Herr Twitler?

I think this is mostly what he likes about him:

The Trump FISA and Text Dump 1907632-new_super_mario_bros._wii_toad

lol! (Trust me, if you haven't seen that guy yet, you will! It'll become clear soon. That's how I'm gonna picture Pkr from now on... Trump's little "toadie." Very Happy )

Then again, maybe he's one of that weird breed of "libertarian" who gets off on attempts to obstruct justice and interfere with ongoing investigations done by a desperate criminal con-man who he doesn't-actually-like-and-didn't-even-vote-for-but-sucks-off-constantly. He likes being pissed on, as long as a Republican's doing the whizzin'.

The whole thing's likely to backfire on Trump, anyway. The dipshit hasn't made one move yet that hasn't. He's even tried this before and it was a fzztt. Selective cherry-picking of certain pages just makes him look weak and scared because Manafort's flipping. Strzok's a dead horse that's been beaten into a rug already, it's just what-aboutism several months past the sell-by date. Trump's not gonna escape justice for high crimes just because a couple of personnel didn't like him. Nobody's buying that shit but the Hannity cult, and it ain't gonna save 'em. Very Happy

PkrBum

PkrBum

I like transparency and accountability from a constitutionally limited govt. Always have... always will.

Let the chips fall where they may.

10The Trump FISA and Text Dump Empty Re: The Trump FISA and Text Dump 9/18/2018, 9:41 am

Deus X

Deus X

zsomething wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:
PkrBum wrote:Your president is THE classification authority. He can declassify whatever he wants within the statutes.

Tell us my racist, Nazi friend, just what are the qualities you so admire in Herr Twitler?

I think this is mostly what he likes about him:

The Trump FISA and Text Dump 1907632-new_super_mario_bros._wii_toad



You just HAD to go there, didn't you?

11The Trump FISA and Text Dump Empty Re: The Trump FISA and Text Dump 9/18/2018, 9:48 am

zsomething



Deus X wrote:


You just HAD to go there, didn't you?

Was there ever any doubt I was gonna?   Very Happy How could I not?

Heh... now he's saying he wants "transparency and accountability," knowing only selected pages are being shown!   Is it possible that even he actually believes his own shit?

I mean, seriously, what a

The Trump FISA and Text Dump Toad+super+mario+3D+land+3DS+nintendo

this guy is!   Very Happy

12The Trump FISA and Text Dump Empty Re: The Trump FISA and Text Dump 9/18/2018, 11:16 am

othershoe1030

othershoe1030

Trump's problem is, is that he's completely off balance from decades of doing business with the mob and being a con man. His time is running out. I agree that this latest stunt of calling for the declassification of documents is purely a political move to attempt to discredit the Russia/Mueller investigation and that it will backfire on him. It is just the latest attempt at deflection.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/opinions/wp/2018/08/16/trump-distracts-whenever-he-feels-threatened/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.85d835f52310

13The Trump FISA and Text Dump Empty Re: The Trump FISA and Text Dump 9/18/2018, 11:22 am

othershoe1030

othershoe1030

Trump calling for transparency is like him calling for abstinence!

What about his medical records? Income tax records? Read-outs of meeting held in the WH? Press conferences? WH daily logs of visitors? He is hanging by a tread and then there's the Stormy Denials book coming out shortly.

By Maggie Haberman and Michael S. Schmidt
Sept. 18, 2018

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WASHINGTON — Nearly a dozen lawyers now assist President Trump in contending with two federal investigations, one in Washington and one in New York, that could pose serious threats to his presidency and his businesses. But the expanding legal team is struggling to understand where the investigations could be headed and the extent of Mr. Trump’s legal exposure.

The lawyers have only a limited sense of what many witnesses — including senior administration officials and the president’s business associates — have told investigators and what the Justice Department plans to do with any incriminating information it has about Mr. Trump, according to interviews with more than a dozen people close to the president.

What is more, it is not clear if Mr. Trump has given his lawyers a full account of some key events in which he has been involved as president or during his decades running the Trump Organization.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/18/us/politics/trump-legal-team-lawyers.html

14The Trump FISA and Text Dump Empty Re: The Trump FISA and Text Dump 9/18/2018, 12:14 pm

Deus X

Deus X

othershoe1030 wrote:Trump's problem is...

Trump's problem is that he's a sociopath who blundered into the one of the most powerful positions on the planet and is now WA-A-Y over his head.

All of the recent books about him--Fear, Unhinged, Fire and Fury, etc.--capture a part of the picture and it's a pretty grim image. I don't see how an intelligent person can come to any conclusion other than that he is profoundly disturbed--intellectually, socially and emotionally.

15The Trump FISA and Text Dump Empty Re: The Trump FISA and Text Dump 9/18/2018, 12:41 pm

zsomething



Deus X wrote:
Trump's problem is that he's a sociopath who blundered into the one of the most powerful positions on the planet and is now WA-A-Y over his head.

All of the recent books about him--Fear, Unhinged, Fire and Fury, etc.--capture a part of the picture and it's a pretty grim image. I don't see how an intelligent person can come to any conclusion other than that he is profoundly disturbed--intellectually, socially and emotionally.

That is the thing, right there.

Trump didn't actually want the job of being president... he just wanted the attention of running for president. He figured he'd lose, then he could make money starting another FOX-ish "Trump News Network" where he'd rail at Hillary constantly and claim she cheated and that's why he lost, and he'd make a lot of money off the idiots in the Republican base, who are proven to believe anything.

Probably would've been a good (albeit very cynical) money-and-attention-making plan, but Trump's like the dog who caught the car -- "whoops, the idiots actually elected me, that wasn't supposed to happen, what now?"

So far he's been trying to get by with the same ol' denial tricks that always worked with the yes-men who were on his payroll. but he's dismayed to find that the rest of the public doesn't owe him such fealty, won't buy it, and won't let him get away with it. Winning's actually the worst thing that could have happened to him. He's trapped, he has no idea what to do, and he's screwing up. So far the strong economy Obama left him, and the patient tolerance of our allies who know they should preserve their relationship with America because Trump'll be gone some day, have kept him from complete disaster, but I'm not sure how long all of that can hold out. Especially the economy, which is starting to bend under the tax-break and tariff damage.

16The Trump FISA and Text Dump Empty Re: The Trump FISA and Text Dump 9/18/2018, 12:51 pm

PkrBum

PkrBum

"according to interviews with more than a dozen people close to the president" (none named)

17The Trump FISA and Text Dump Empty Re: The Trump FISA and Text Dump 9/18/2018, 1:06 pm

polecat

polecat

PkrBum wrote:I like transparency and accountability from a constitutionally limited govt. Always have... always will.

Let the chips fall where they may.

You forgot to say NO COLLUSION BELIEVE ME

18The Trump FISA and Text Dump Empty Re: The Trump FISA and Text Dump 9/18/2018, 1:49 pm

Deus X

Deus X

zsomething wrote:Trump didn't actually want the job of being president... he just wanted the attention of running for president.  He figured he'd lose, then he could make money starting another FOX-ish  "Trump News Network" where he'd rail at Hillary constantly and claim she cheated and that's why he lost, and he'd make a lot of money off the idiots in the Republican base, who are proven to believe anything.  

Probably would've been a good (albeit very cynical) money-and-attention-making plan, but Trump's like the dog who caught the car -- "whoops, the idiots actually elected me, that wasn't supposed to happen, what now?"

So far he's been trying to get by with the same ol' denial tricks that always worked with the yes-men who were on his payroll. but he's dismayed to find that the rest of the public doesn't owe him such fealty, won't buy it, and won't let him get away with it.  Winning's actually the worst thing that could have happened to him.   He's trapped, he has no idea what to do, and he's screwing up.   So far the strong economy Obama left him, and the patient tolerance of our allies who know they should preserve their relationship with America because Trump'll be gone some day, have kept him from complete disaster, but I'm not sure how long all of that can hold out.  Especially the economy, which is starting to bend under the tax-break and tariff damage.

His poll numbers seem to be dropping but it's hard to tell if that's just a pendulum swing or a real trend.

I've also read that the enthusiasm at his rallies seems to be diminishing but it's hard to tell if that's true. What would really be a good indicator is audience numbers but I'm not sure you can even get reliable figures for that.

The economy is going to be a real make-or-break factor for 2020, that's for sure.

19The Trump FISA and Text Dump Empty Re: The Trump FISA and Text Dump 9/18/2018, 2:24 pm

RealLindaL



PkrBum wrote:Your president is THE classification authority. He can declassify whatever he wants within the statutes.

I didn't say he didn't have the power. I said he was ABUSING his power -- and that's what's perfectly clear to the rational mind.

20The Trump FISA and Text Dump Empty Re: The Trump FISA and Text Dump 9/18/2018, 3:45 pm

othershoe1030

othershoe1030

zsomething wrote:
Deus X wrote:
Trump's problem is that he's a sociopath who blundered into the one of the most powerful positions on the planet and is now WA-A-Y over his head.

All of the recent books about him--Fear, Unhinged, Fire and Fury, etc.--capture a part of the picture and it's a pretty grim image. I don't see how an intelligent person can come to any conclusion other than that he is profoundly disturbed--intellectually, socially and emotionally.

That is the thing, right there.  

Trump didn't actually want the job of being president... he just wanted the attention of running for president.  He figured he'd lose, then he could make money starting another FOX-ish  "Trump News Network" where he'd rail at Hillary constantly and claim she cheated and that's why he lost, and he'd make a lot of money off the idiots in the Republican base, who are proven to believe anything.  

Probably would've been a good (albeit very cynical) money-and-attention-making plan, but Trump's like the dog who caught the car -- "whoops, the idiots actually elected me, that wasn't supposed to happen, what now?"

So far he's been trying to get by with the same ol' denial tricks that always worked with the yes-men who were on his payroll. but he's dismayed to find that the rest of the public doesn't owe him such fealty, won't buy it, and won't let him get away with it.  Winning's actually the worst thing that could have happened to him.   He's trapped, he has no idea what to do, and he's screwing up.   So far the strong economy Obama left him, and the patient tolerance of our allies who know they should preserve their relationship with America because Trump'll be gone some day, have kept him from complete disaster, but I'm not sure how long all of that can hold out.  Especially the economy, which is starting to bend under the tax-break and tariff damage.

Another port heard from:

In a tell-all memoir, the pornographic actor Stormy Daniels details salacious descriptions of her time with Donald Trump, wonders if he is fit to be president and claims he offered to cheat for her in his reality TV show.


Stormy Daniels: 'little girl from Baton Rouge' posing big problem for Trump
Read more
A copy of the book, Full Disclosure, was obtained by the Guardian. In it, Daniels describes her mounting disbelief as Trump began to win primary contests in 2016 for the Republican presidential nomination. Former castmates whom she had not heard from in years, but who had heard her story about sleeping with Trump in 2006, would call her up to marvel at the news.

“It will never happen, I would say,” Daniels writes. “He doesn’t even want to be president.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/sep/18/stormy-daniels-tell-all-book-on-trump-salacious-detail-and-claims-of-cheating

21The Trump FISA and Text Dump Empty Re: The Trump FISA and Text Dump 9/18/2018, 6:12 pm

EmeraldGhost

EmeraldGhost

News Flash !!, folks ... nobody really cares about "Stormy Daniels" (or whatever her name is) anymore.

22The Trump FISA and Text Dump Empty Re: The Trump FISA and Text Dump 9/18/2018, 6:39 pm

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

EmeraldGhost wrote:News Flash !!, folks ... nobody really cares about "Stormy Daniels" (or whatever her name is) anymore.

The Trump FISA and Text Dump Stormy-view-book-inset-abc-810x610

23The Trump FISA and Text Dump Empty Re: The Trump FISA and Text Dump 9/18/2018, 6:45 pm

Floridatexan

Floridatexan


Opinion

Michael Avenatti: The Case for Indicting the President

Justice Department lawyers have said a sitting president cannot be indicted. It’s time to test that proposition by bringing an indictment that can be reviewed by the Supreme Court.

By Michael Avenatti
Mr. Avenatti is the lawyer for Stormy Daniels in her lawsuits against President Trump and his former personal lawyer, Michael Cohen.

Sept. 13, 2018

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/13/opinion/michael-avenatti-trump-indictment-stormy-daniels.html

24The Trump FISA and Text Dump Empty Re: The Trump FISA and Text Dump 9/18/2018, 7:52 pm

PkrBum

PkrBum

RealLindaL wrote:
PkrBum wrote:Your president is THE classification authority. He can declassify whatever he wants within the statutes.

I didn't say he didn't have the power.  I said he was ABUSING his power -- and that's what's perfectly clear to the rational mind.

Why are you against transparency? It'll all go through congress first to make sure there's no collateral damage.

25The Trump FISA and Text Dump Empty Re: The Trump FISA and Text Dump 9/18/2018, 8:12 pm

polecat

polecat

PkrBum wrote:
RealLindaL wrote:
PkrBum wrote:Your president is THE classification authority. He can declassify whatever he wants within the statutes.

I didn't say he didn't have the power.  I said he was ABUSING his power -- and that's what's perfectly clear to the rational mind.

Why are you against transparency? It'll all go through congress first to make sure there's no collateral damage.


For "transparency and accountability" don't cherry pick release all or nothing.

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