The best reason for republicans to support raising the minimum wage ...

Wordslinger wrote:

Obamasucks wrote:Wordslinger if she had two kids and is making minimum wage she already qualifies for many freebies including child care

The thread started with an unemployed woman on welfare refusing to apply for a minimum wage entry level job at a fast food outlet, because the wages she would earn wouldn't allow her to remain living at the apartment she has via welfare payments.  That woman isn't going to take a minimum wage job when her benefits allow her to live better than she could with the job.  If you want to argue that people earning less than $8.00 an hour -- most of them working part time, by the way -- are earning a living wage, bring it on baby.  

Whatever makes you think anyone is somehow OWED a living wage?

Whatever make you think anyone is somehow OWED a living wage?


Because as an American taxpayer I am tired of subsidizing the 1%. As the income disparity became a quantifiable consequences of the failures of Reagonomics and trickle down, labor cost have not kept up with the gains in productivity. The Minimum wage was intentionally stagnated at the bequest of the Oligarchy which has bought and paid for Congress to vote to slow or stop increases in the minimum wage.

I am not a pull rabbits out my asz pick a number raise the minimum wage person. I have always paid employees at least 20% over the minimum wage because quite frankly you cannot get good people at minimum wage. However, the minimum wage could easily be ten bucks today without causing disruptions and inflation.....it cannot be $15 bucks because the people that advocate the same for a national minimum wage are in the twilight zone, have never ran a small business. However ten bucks an hour is going to allow people to make enough to take them off many government subsidies or lower those subsides because we are indirectly giving subsidy to large corporations who are not bearing their former tax burdens or picking up the social costs for this deflated minimum wage which was not kept current.

Raise the minimum wage to Ten bucks in three annual increases, and quit the fantasy of 15 bucks, or the continued subsidy to the Oligarchy paid for by the average American taxpayer. So yes, they are owed a living wage, because I am damn tired of subsidizing Corporations which steal from America.

Come on who has a better employment model than Walmart...pay your people just enough to keep them down where they can enjoy government support. Brilliant huh ? Hey Mr. Politician what are you going to do about this criminal injustice !?........crickets.......yeah Walmart's too big to tackle...I'll just run in and get me some Chinese junk while I am here....maybe some cheap batteries for my solar power plant....

The admin and fed monetary policy alone ensures that the 1% have been transfered enormous amounts of funny money.

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EmeraldGhost wrote:

2seaoat wrote:raising it to 11 or 12 dollars would be a win/win.  I agree that 15 is too high in one move.  15 over 10 years.....ok.

I personally oppose the minimum wage ... but I'm pragmatic enough to know it's not going away.  Not anytime soon.

But consider that $11 or $12 per hour is a 60%+ increase.  That's a pretty big labor cost increase for employers to absorb all in one shot .... esp considering many of these jobs are part-time positions.  And especially for smaller employers.   And consider also employers have to raise the pay of their longer-term, higher skilled, and/or full-time employees out of fundamental fairness.

I don't think an over 60% immediate increase in the minimum wage is really do-able ... the effects would ripple through the economy fast & not in a good way.   I'd say $8.50 at the most if the increase is to be immediate.   That's about a 17% increase.

Please stop making sense!  The liberals want individual entry level jobs for people without skills or education to make $15.00  an hour for showing up. Of course they will also need to get regular raises.

You think someone working at Burger King or Chic-filet on an entry level job is just "showing up?"  Are you like the elder Bush -- tantalized at a supermarket check-out stand and mesmerized by the barcode reader?  Get real.  

And are you telling me working the counter or grilling a partially cooked piece of meat at McDonald's is a tough job and worthy of $15.00 an hour?  

My 16 year old  granddaughter worked at McDonald's part-time to earn money to pay her car insurance. She is smart and just as cute as she can be....but making $15.00 for smiling and taking your order....no way !  

She got a little experience and took another job, part-time at a beach restaurant as a hostess. Again, she works hard but it is not a $15.00 an hour position. She is a student earning extra money only. Education and skill  pay off.

Ok, answer this please -- a mother with two kids is living on welfare.  She lives in a moderate apartment in public housing.  If she takes an entry level job at McDonalds, she won't be able to afford the rent.  What's your advice to her?

Education/ job training.  

That's a reasonable answer.  But you're talking years now.  Something in the healthcare industry would probably be a good bet for her.  A lab or X-ray tech job would take a minimum of two years full time, and double that if it was a part-time course.  Her options are to remain on welfare, or put the work in to earn her way forward.  Remember, she has two kids.  She'll need access to free child care.  You like the odds?  Better she takes an entry job at Waffle House and earns $12 to $15 an hour!

BS...she would be eligible for assistance while going to school. Six months for medical assistant, OJT for laboratory phlebotomist, 6 months for unit ckerk, general secretary classes for admissions, billing, plus many other jobs in the Healthcare arena....from housekeeping to dietary.

Of course you would be required to get up and be willing to support yourself and your family.

I worked my ass off. If I needed extra money I picked up over time shifts. When my last one was in college, I worked full time, part time in the OR for weekend trauma call, and did bone and tissue recovery. It provided extra money for daughter and play money for me.

TEOTWAWKI wrote:Don't screw losers ?

I take it that you mean that literally.

Markle wrote:

TEOTWAWKI wrote:Don't screw losers ?

I take it that you mean that literally.

Yes having kids with men that have no intention of supporting them is not conducive to a strong and self sustaining family suitable to bring up healthy and well adjusted children....

2seaoat wrote:Whatever make you think anyone is somehow OWED a living wage?


Because as an American taxpayer I am tired of subsidizing the 1%.  As the income disparity became a quantifiable consequences of the failures of Reagonomics and trickle down, labor cost have not kept up with the gains in productivity.  The Minimum wage was intentionally stagnated at the bequest of the Oligarchy which has bought and paid for Congress to vote to slow or stop increases in the minimum wage.

I am not a pull rabbits out my asz pick a number raise the minimum wage person.  I have always paid employees at least 20% over the minimum wage because quite frankly you cannot get good people at minimum wage.  However, the minimum wage could easily be ten bucks today without causing disruptions and inflation.....it cannot be $15 bucks because the people that advocate the same for a national minimum wage are in the twilight zone, have never ran a small business.  However ten bucks an hour is going to allow people to make enough to take them off many government subsidies or lower those subsides because we are indirectly giving subsidy to large corporations who are not bearing their former tax burdens or picking up the social costs for this deflated minimum wage which was not kept current.

Raise the minimum wage to Ten bucks in three annual increases, and quit the fantasy of 15 bucks, or the continued subsidy to the Oligarchy paid for by the average American taxpayer.  So yes, they are owed a living wage, because I am damn tired of subsidizing Corporations which steal from America.

Proving my most controversial point. That the minimum wage should be done away with entirely.

Unequivocally you state that you had to pay 20% over the minimum wage to hire "qualified" workers. Frankly, if that all you paid, you must have needed the level of people who, in the past, appeared on Jaywalking or today on Watters World appearing regularly on The O'Reilly Factor.

No Progressive here to date has been able to provide any sort of reason as to how a minimum wage, in the country, is beneficial. They want us to believe that the cost of living in New York City, CHICAGO and Pace Florida are exactly the same. Progressive thinking...SHARED MISERY.