The best reason for republicans to support raising the minimum wage ...

PkrBum wrote:Ya... public assistance is more lucrative and a hell of alot easier. Raising min wage to $15 will cost jobs and raise prices.

2seaoat wrote:raising it to 11 or 12 dollars would be a win/win.  I agree that 15 is too high in one move.  15 over 10 years.....ok.

Wordslinger wrote:

PkrBum wrote:Ya... public assistance is more lucrative and a hell of alot easier. Raising min wage to $15 will cost jobs and raise prices.

That's not what Trump says.  But if you want to leave thousands of unemployed people on welfare instead of working at jobs that will permit them to live above rank poverty, that's your right.  And if I'm a limousine liberal, where the hell's my driver?

EmeraldGhost wrote:

2seaoat wrote:raising it to 11 or 12 dollars would be a win/win.  I agree that 15 is too high in one move.  15 over 10 years.....ok.

I personally oppose the minimum wage ... but I'm pragmatic enough to know it's not going away.  Not anytime soon.

But consider that $11 or $12 per hour is a 60%+ increase.  That's a pretty big labor cost increase for employers to absorb all in one shot .... esp considering many of these jobs are part-time positions.  And especially for smaller employers.   And consider also employers have to raise the pay of their longer-term, higher skilled, and/or full-time employees out of fundamental fairness.

I don't think an over 60% immediate increase in the minimum wage is really do-able ... the effects would ripple through the economy fast & not in a good way.   I'd say $8.50 at the most if the increase is to be immediate.   That's about a 17% increase.

Joanimaroni wrote:What incentive would they have to further educate themselves?

Joanimaroni wrote:

EmeraldGhost wrote:

2seaoat wrote:raising it to 11 or 12 dollars would be a win/win.  I agree that 15 is too high in one move.  15 over 10 years.....ok.

I personally oppose the minimum wage ... but I'm pragmatic enough to know it's not going away.  Not anytime soon.

But consider that $11 or $12 per hour is a 60%+ increase.  That's a pretty big labor cost increase for employers to absorb all in one shot .... esp considering many of these jobs are part-time positions.  And especially for smaller employers.   And consider also employers have to raise the pay of their longer-term, higher skilled, and/or full-time employees out of fundamental fairness.

I don't think an over 60% immediate increase in the minimum wage is really do-able ... the effects would ripple through the economy fast & not in a good way.   I'd say $8.50 at the most if the increase is to be immediate.   That's about a 17% increase.

Please stop making sense!  The liberals want individual entry level jobs for people without skills or education to make $15.00  an hour for showing up. Of course they will also need to get regular raises.

TEOTWAWKI wrote:This will cost a lot of jobs..I would weed out the lower performers and send them packing..most kids just out of school are not worth anywhere near minimum wage as it sits today..  skills ...people need to develop some.

Wordslinger wrote:

Joanimaroni wrote:

EmeraldGhost wrote:

2seaoat wrote:raising it to 11 or 12 dollars would be a win/win.  I agree that 15 is too high in one move.  15 over 10 years.....ok.

I personally oppose the minimum wage ... but I'm pragmatic enough to know it's not going away.  Not anytime soon.

But consider that $11 or $12 per hour is a 60%+ increase.  That's a pretty big labor cost increase for employers to absorb all in one shot .... esp considering many of these jobs are part-time positions.  And especially for smaller employers.   And consider also employers have to raise the pay of their longer-term, higher skilled, and/or full-time employees out of fundamental fairness.

I don't think an over 60% immediate increase in the minimum wage is really do-able ... the effects would ripple through the economy fast & not in a good way.   I'd say $8.50 at the most if the increase is to be immediate.   That's about a 17% increase.

Please stop making sense!  The liberals want individual entry level jobs for people without skills or education to make $15.00  an hour for showing up. Of course they will also need to get regular raises.

You think someone working at Burger King or Chic-filet on an entry level job is just "showing up?"  Are you like the elder Bush -- tantalized at a supermarket check-out stand and mesmerized by the barcode reader?  Get real.  

Joanimaroni wrote:

Wordslinger wrote:

Joanimaroni wrote:

EmeraldGhost wrote:

2seaoat wrote:raising it to 11 or 12 dollars would be a win/win.  I agree that 15 is too high in one move.  15 over 10 years.....ok.

I personally oppose the minimum wage ... but I'm pragmatic enough to know it's not going away.  Not anytime soon.

But consider that $11 or $12 per hour is a 60%+ increase.  That's a pretty big labor cost increase for employers to absorb all in one shot .... esp considering many of these jobs are part-time positions.  And especially for smaller employers.   And consider also employers have to raise the pay of their longer-term, higher skilled, and/or full-time employees out of fundamental fairness.

I don't think an over 60% immediate increase in the minimum wage is really do-able ... the effects would ripple through the economy fast & not in a good way.   I'd say $8.50 at the most if the increase is to be immediate.   That's about a 17% increase.

Please stop making sense!  The liberals want individual entry level jobs for people without skills or education to make $15.00  an hour for showing up. Of course they will also need to get regular raises.

You think someone working at Burger King or Chic-filet on an entry level job is just "showing up?"  Are you like the elder Bush -- tantalized at a supermarket check-out stand and mesmerized by the barcode reader?  Get real.  

And are you telling me working the counter or grilling a partially cooked piece of meat at McDonald's is a tough job and worthy of $15.00 an hour?  

My 16 year old  granddaughter worked at McDonald's part-time to earn money to pay her car insurance. She is smart and just as cute as she can be....but making $15.00 for smiling and taking your order....no way !  

She got a little experience and took another job, part-time at a beach restaurant as a hostess. Again, she works hard but it is not a $15.00 an hour position. She is a student earning extra money only. Education and skill  pay off.

2seaoat wrote:raising it to 11 or 12 dollars would be a win/win.  I agree that 15 is too high in one move.  15 over 10 years.....ok.

Wordslinger wrote:

Joanimaroni wrote:

Wordslinger wrote:

Joanimaroni wrote:

EmeraldGhost wrote:

2seaoat wrote:raising it to 11 or 12 dollars would be a win/win.  I agree that 15 is too high in one move.  15 over 10 years.....ok.

I personally oppose the minimum wage ... but I'm pragmatic enough to know it's not going away.  Not anytime soon.

But consider that $11 or $12 per hour is a 60%+ increase.  That's a pretty big labor cost increase for employers to absorb all in one shot .... esp considering many of these jobs are part-time positions.  And especially for smaller employers.   And consider also employers have to raise the pay of their longer-term, higher skilled, and/or full-time employees out of fundamental fairness.

I don't think an over 60% immediate increase in the minimum wage is really do-able ... the effects would ripple through the economy fast & not in a good way.   I'd say $8.50 at the most if the increase is to be immediate.   That's about a 17% increase.

Please stop making sense!  The liberals want individual entry level jobs for people without skills or education to make $15.00  an hour for showing up. Of course they will also need to get regular raises.

You think someone working at Burger King or Chic-filet on an entry level job is just "showing up?"  Are you like the elder Bush -- tantalized at a supermarket check-out stand and mesmerized by the barcode reader?  Get real.  

And are you telling me working the counter or grilling a partially cooked piece of meat at McDonald's is a tough job and worthy of $15.00 an hour?  

My 16 year old  granddaughter worked at McDonald's part-time to earn money to pay her car insurance. She is smart and just as cute as she can be....but making $15.00 for smiling and taking your order....no way !  

She got a little experience and took another job, part-time at a beach restaurant as a hostess. Again, she works hard but it is not a $15.00 an hour position. She is a student earning extra money only. Education and skill  pay off.

Ok, answer this please -- a mother with two kids is living on welfare.  She lives in a moderate apartment in public housing.  If she takes an entry level job at McDonalds, she won't be able to afford the rent.  What's your advice to her?

Joanimaroni wrote:

Wordslinger wrote:

Joanimaroni wrote:

Wordslinger wrote:

Joanimaroni wrote:

EmeraldGhost wrote:

2seaoat wrote:raising it to 11 or 12 dollars would be a win/win.  I agree that 15 is too high in one move.  15 over 10 years.....ok.

I personally oppose the minimum wage ... but I'm pragmatic enough to know it's not going away.  Not anytime soon.

But consider that $11 or $12 per hour is a 60%+ increase.  That's a pretty big labor cost increase for employers to absorb all in one shot .... esp considering many of these jobs are part-time positions.  And especially for smaller employers.   And consider also employers have to raise the pay of their longer-term, higher skilled, and/or full-time employees out of fundamental fairness.

I don't think an over 60% immediate increase in the minimum wage is really do-able ... the effects would ripple through the economy fast & not in a good way.   I'd say $8.50 at the most if the increase is to be immediate.   That's about a 17% increase.

Please stop making sense!  The liberals want individual entry level jobs for people without skills or education to make $15.00  an hour for showing up. Of course they will also need to get regular raises.

You think someone working at Burger King or Chic-filet on an entry level job is just "showing up?"  Are you like the elder Bush -- tantalized at a supermarket check-out stand and mesmerized by the barcode reader?  Get real.  

And are you telling me working the counter or grilling a partially cooked piece of meat at McDonald's is a tough job and worthy of $15.00 an hour?  

My 16 year old  granddaughter worked at McDonald's part-time to earn money to pay her car insurance. She is smart and just as cute as she can be....but making $15.00 for smiling and taking your order....no way !  

She got a little experience and took another job, part-time at a beach restaurant as a hostess. Again, she works hard but it is not a $15.00 an hour position. She is a student earning extra money only. Education and skill  pay off.

Ok, answer this please -- a mother with two kids is living on welfare.  She lives in a moderate apartment in public housing.  If she takes an entry level job at McDonalds, she won't be able to afford the rent.  What's your advice to her?

Education/ job training.  

TEOTWAWKI wrote:Well I know it's unpopular with the commies here but capitalism is what gave us the middle class...might give that a try...

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2015/09/thomas-dilorenzo/capitalism-enriches-the-working-class/

When capital investment increases worker productivity, it means more profits for the capitalists who must then compete for the more skilled labor.  They must pay them more or risk losing them to other employers – and losing the revenue that they can help generate as well.  Under capitalism there is a strong correlation between the growth in labor productivity and the growth in wages.

.....Nothing benefits “the masses” economically more than the growth of capitalism, for capitalists have always understood that the way to become really wealthy is to provide more value at lower prices to the largest possible customer base.  Thus, products like cars and refrigerators that were at first the exclusive province of the wealthy soon became available to everyone.

Obamasucks wrote:Wordslinger if she had two kids and is making minimum wage she already qualifies for many freebies including child care

Wordslinger wrote:

TEOTWAWKI wrote:Well I know it's unpopular with the commies here but capitalism is what gave us the middle class...might give that a try...

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2015/09/thomas-dilorenzo/capitalism-enriches-the-working-class/

When capital investment increases worker productivity, it means more profits for the capitalists who must then compete for the more skilled labor.  They must pay them more or risk losing them to other employers – and losing the revenue that they can help generate as well.  Under capitalism there is a strong correlation between the growth in labor productivity and the growth in wages.

.....Nothing benefits “the masses” economically more than the growth of capitalism, for capitalists have always understood that the way to become really wealthy is to provide more value at lower prices to the largest possible customer base.  Thus, products like cars and refrigerators that were at first the exclusive province of the wealthy soon became available to everyone.

Then why has spendable income diminished for the middle class over the last thirty years?  Why are wages stagnant?  The latest statistics show that wages have diminished in the last three decades.  Only lthe ultra rich's incomes have increased -- dramatically.  Your bullshit lesson on trickle down economics is just that: bullshit.