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The Real Clinton Email Scandal

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1The Real Clinton Email Scandal Empty The Real Clinton Email Scandal 8/21/2015, 11:30 am

nadalfan



http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/08/the-real-clinton-email-scandal-our-ridiculous-classification-rules-121507.html#ixzz3jSJ1ZaI9

Hillary Clinton’s use of a personal email account for official State Department business was a mistake, but the revelation that Clinton’s emails contain upwards of 305 messages with potentially “classified” information is far less scandalous than the headlines make it appear. The most troubling part of this story involves the rules governing official secrets, not Clinton’s conduct as Secretary of State.
As a former Department of Justice official who regularly dealt with classified information, I am glad a team of officials from the FBI, the intelligence community and other agencies is not currently reviewing every email I sent and received while I worked in government. If they did, they would likely find arguably classified information that was transmitted over unclassified networks—and the same thing is undoubtedly true for other senior officials at the White House, the State Department and other top national security agencies.
The sheer volume of information now considered classified, as well as the extreme, and often absurd, interpretations by intelligence officials about what is and is not classified, make it nearly impossible for officials charged with operating in both the classified and unclassified worlds to do so without ever mixing the two.
From the intelligence community’s perspective, the border between these two worlds looks like a brick wall. Many intelligence officials spend their entire day working inside so-called Sensitive Compartmented Information Facilities, designed to be impenetrable to eavesdropping, and using only separate, classified email systems to communicate with others in government. In these hermetically sealed environments, there is no need to ever sort through the differences between classified and unclassified information.
But for officials charged with dealing with the public, the media and other governments, the lines become much harder to draw.
The Associated Press reported last week that one of the Clinton emails that intelligence officials claim is classified—something the State Department disputes—involved a discussion of drones operating in Pakistan, a fact that is still considered top secret even though it has been openly discussed by government officials on numerous occasions.
The continued top secret classification of drone strikes is silly enough on its own, but the way in which intelligence officials would judge any email conversation about them is even more farcical. According to the AP, the email exchange in question began with an aide to Clinton circulating a news story about the drone program. Obviously, circulating a news story cannot be considered disseminating classified information. But if, for example, that story reported on a successful strike against an Al Qaeda official, and another official responded by writing “great news,” that email would be considered classified because it confirms the existence of the drone program—yes, the same drone program that officials openly discuss with reporters on a near daily basis.
Intelligence officials also often argue that information is classified even when the same information can be gleaned from unclassified sources. While still at the Justice Department, I once wrote a draft press release that a Department attorney claimed contained multiple pieces of classified information. He accused me of a grave violation of the rules for handling classified information, instructed me to destroy all copies and threatened to refer me for investigation. But I had drawn the release from unclassified sources and had never even been briefed on this particular underlying secret—how could I possibly have exposed something of which I wasn’t aware?
Ironically, by implicitly confirming the existence of this top secret information to me, the Department attorney had himself violated the rules governing sharing classified information, since I hadn’t yet been authorized to be briefed on this program.
Secretary Clinton has now turned her server and a thumb drive containing all of her government-related emails over to the Justice Department, which is reportedly reviewing them to ensure that classified information is properly protected. That is an appropriate step for them to take, and one that was a natural follow up to the referral from the inspectors general for the State Department and the intelligence community.
But if Justice were to expand this review, it would establish a very troubling precedent for future cases. As ill advised as Secretary Clinton’s decision to operate a private server was, it has nothing to do with the potential classification problems that the intelligence community has raised. The exact same issue would have arisen had she been using an unclassified State Department email account, which, like her personal account, would not have been authorized to receive classified information. Furthermore, the only reason the interagency government committee began reviewing her emails for classification in the first place is because Clinton herself asked that they be released to the public.
If the Justice Department were to broaden this investigation, it would be doing so in the middle of a campaign, at the behest of partisan members of Congress and opposing candidates, with no indication of predicate potential criminal wrongdoing. In this context, it could not credibly investigate Secretary Clinton’s email account without opening similar investigations across the government and exposing thousands of officials to baseless charges of wrongdoing.
Protection of genuine classified material is without a doubt important, and the government has the responsibility to ensure it does not fall into the wrong hands. But with that no longer an issue in this case, the most important step it could take would be to finally begin implementing long overdue reforms to the classification process. That would have a far more lasting impact than an arbitrary, politically motivated fishing expedition.
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gatorfan



So let's just start ANOTHER HRC email thread.... Not that there is the faint odor of an apologist at work in the article, after all "Matt" is a dedicated Democrat public affairs dude and now a lobbyist. But you consider him an "expert" on classification issues. Yep, no bias there.

The gist of the article is that if you are too stupid, ignorant, incompetent, or paranoid to follow current law than voila - it's the "antiquated" laws that are at fault! How convenient. How ridiculous.

No - I just can't see any bias from this liberal shill:

"Matt has worked in leadership positions in both the U.S. House and Senate, serving as communications director for the House Democratic Caucus and for Senator Charles Schumer at the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee, where he helped Democrats win eight Senate seats in 2008. He has also worked for Senator Robert Menendez, and in 2004 led the Kerry presidential campaign’s Florida press operation, directing research, communications, and rapid response."

2seaoat



than an arbitrary, politically motivated fishing expedition.

Correct.  When you cannot win with ideas, you throw mud and say No.  Hillary will be attacked again and again......all in vain.

Guest


Guest

Security classification has no bias. You are either exposing secrets or you are not. She did - nuf said

Floridatexan

Floridatexan


http://mediamatters.org/blog/2015/03/10/flashback-when-millions-of-lost-bush-white-hous/202820

FLASHBACK: When Millions Of Lost Bush White House Emails (From Private Accounts) Triggered A Media Shrug

Blog ››› March 10, 2015 11:36 AM EDT ››› ERIC BOEHLERT

Even for a Republican White House that was badly stumbling through George W. Bush's sixth year in office, the revelation on April 12, 2007 was shocking. Responding to congressional demands for emails in connection with its investigation into the partisan firing of eight U.S. attorneys, the White House announced that as many as five million emails, covering a two-year span, had been lost.

The emails had been run through private accounts controlled by the Republican National Committee and were only supposed to be used for dealing with non-administration political campaign work to avoid violating ethics laws. Yet congressional investigators already had evidence private emails had been used for government business, including to discuss the firing of one of the U.S. attorneys. The RNC accounts were used by 22 White House staffers, including then-Deputy Chief of Staff Karl Rove, who reportedly used his RNC email for 95 percent of his communications.

As the Washington Post reported, "Under federal law, the White House is required to maintain records, including e-mails, involving presidential decision- making and deliberations." But suddenly millions of the private RNC emails had gone missing; emails that were seen as potentially crucial evidence by Congressional investigators.

The White House email story broke on a Wednesday. Yet on that Sunday's Meet The Press, Face The Nation, and Fox News Sunday, the topic of millions of missing White House emails did not come up. At all. (The story did get covered on ABC's This Week.)

By comparison, not only did every network Sunday news show this week cover the story about former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton emails, but they were drowning in commentary. Between Meet the Press, Face The Nation, This Week, and Fox News Sunday, Clinton's "email" or "emails" were referenced more than 100 times on the programs, according to Nexis transcripts. Talk about saturation coverage.

Indeed, the commentary for the last week truly has been relentless, with the Beltway press barely pausing to catch its breath before unloading yet another round of "analysis," most of which provides little insight but does allow journalists to vent about the Clintons.

What has become clear over the last eight days however is that the Clinton email story isn't about lawbreaking. "Experts have said it doesn't appear Clinton violated federal laws," CNN conceded. "But that hasn't stemmed the issue that has become more about bad optics and politics than any actual wrongdoing." The National Law Journal agreed, noting that while the story has created a political furor, "any legal consequences are likely to prove negligible."

Still, the scandal machine churns on determined to the treat the story as a political blockbuster, even though early polling indicates the kerfuffle will not damage Clinton's standing.

Looking back, it's curious how the D.C. scandal machine could barely get out of first gear when the Bush email story broke in 2007. I'm not suggesting the press ignored the Rove email debacle, because the story was clearly covered at the time. But triggering a firestorm (a guttural roar) that raged for days and consumed the Beltway chattering class the way the D.C. media has become obsessed with the Clinton email story? Absolutely not. Not even close.

Instead, the millions of missing Bush White House emails were treated as a 24-hour or 48-hour story. It was a subject that was dutifully noted, and then the media pack quickly moved on.

How did the Washington Post and New York Times commentators deal with the Bush email scandal in the week following the confirmation of the missing messages? In his April 17, 2007 column, Post columnist Eugene Robinson hit the White House hard. But he was the only Post columnist to do so. On the editorial page, the Post cautioned that the story of millions of missing White House emails might not really be a "scandal." Instead, it was possible, the Post suggested, that Rove and others simply received "sloppy guidance" regarding email protocol.

There's been no such Post inclination to give Clinton any sort of benefit of the doubt regarding email use as the paper piles up endless attacks on her. Dana Milbank: "Clinton made a whopper of an error." Ruth Marcus: "This has the distinct odor of hogwash."

As for The New York Times, here's the entirety of the newspaper's commentary on the Bush White House email story in the week following the revelation, according to Nexis:

Last week, the Republican National Committee threw up another roadblock, claiming it had lost four years' worth of e-mail messages by Karl Rove that were sent on a Republican Party account. Those messages, officials admitted, could include some about the United States attorneys. It is virtually impossible to erase e-mail messages fully, and the claims that they are gone are not credible.

Three sentences from a single, unsigned editorial. That's it. No Times columnists addressed the topic. By comparison, in the week since the Clinton story broke, the Times has published one editorial dedicated solely to the subject, and no less than five opinion columns addressing the controversy.

Just to repeat: In 2007, the story was about millions of missing White House emails that were sought in connection to a Congressional investigation. Yet somehow the archiving of Clinton's emails today requires exponentially more coverage, and exceedingly more critical coverage.

Of course, back in 2007 Fox News seemed utterly uninterested in the Bush email story days after the news broke. A search of Fox archives locates only one panel discussion about the story and it featured two guests accusing Democrats of engineering a "fishing expedition."

From then-Fox co-host, Fred Barnes: "I mean, deleted e-mails, who cares?"

Indeed.

*************

I've already posted this once, but apparently it didn't make a dent.

Fact: Colin Powell destroyed all his emails.

Fact: The Bush administration, in the midst of a criminal inquiry, "lost" 5 million emails. Oops!

Guest


Guest

It turns out that her phone was also an unauthorized device. The law and acts are clear.

othershoe1030

othershoe1030

2seaoat wrote:than an arbitrary, politically motivated fishing expedition.

Correct.  When you cannot win with ideas, you throw mud and say No.  Hillary will be attacked again and again......all in vain.

Bernie Sanders held a news conference the other day and lamented the fact that rather than addressing the problems this country faces or the various solutions for solving them the media would rather try to pit the candidates against each other than to hear things that might give voters a reason to vote for one person or the other. He continues to explain what he thinks our problems are and his ideas for improving the condition of the middle class.

It is totally counter productive to have this sort of idealess talking going on. It is not as if we don't have real issues that need to be dealt with.

The real Clinton scandal is that the media is focused on making a big deal of her server etc. while taking time away from a solid discussion of the issues.

Guest


Guest

Floridatexan wrote:
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2015/03/10/flashback-when-millions-of-lost-bush-white-hous/202820

FLASHBACK: When Millions Of Lost Bush White House Emails (From Private Accounts) Triggered A Media Shrug

Blog ››› March 10, 2015 11:36 AM EDT ››› ERIC BOEHLERT

Even for a Republican White House that was badly stumbling through George W. Bush's sixth year in office, the revelation on April 12, 2007 was shocking. Responding to congressional demands for emails in connection with its investigation into the partisan firing of eight U.S. attorneys, the White House announced that as many as five million emails, covering a two-year span, had been lost.

The emails had been run through private accounts controlled by the Republican National Committee and were only supposed to be used for dealing with non-administration political campaign work to avoid violating ethics laws. Yet congressional investigators already had evidence private emails had been used for government business, including to discuss the firing of one of the U.S. attorneys. The RNC accounts were used by 22 White House staffers, including then-Deputy Chief of Staff Karl Rove, who reportedly used his RNC email for 95 percent of his communications.

As the Washington Post reported, "Under federal law, the White House is required to maintain records, including e-mails, involving presidential decision- making and deliberations." But suddenly millions of the private RNC emails had gone missing; emails that were seen as potentially crucial evidence by Congressional investigators.

The White House email story broke on a Wednesday. Yet on that Sunday's Meet The Press, Face The Nation, and Fox News Sunday, the topic of millions of missing White House emails did not come up. At all. (The story did get covered on ABC's This Week.)

By comparison, not only did every network Sunday news show this week cover the story about former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton emails, but they were drowning in commentary. Between Meet the Press, Face The Nation, This Week, and Fox News Sunday, Clinton's "email" or "emails" were referenced more than 100 times on the programs, according to Nexis transcripts. Talk about saturation coverage.

Indeed, the commentary for the last week truly has been relentless, with the Beltway press barely pausing to catch its breath before unloading yet another round of "analysis," most of which provides little insight but does allow journalists to vent about the Clintons.

What has become clear over the last eight days however is that the Clinton email story isn't about lawbreaking. "Experts have said it doesn't appear Clinton violated federal laws," CNN conceded. "But that hasn't stemmed the issue that has become more about bad optics and politics than any actual wrongdoing." The National Law Journal agreed, noting that while the story has created a political furor, "any legal consequences are likely to prove negligible."

Still, the scandal machine churns on determined to the treat the story as a political blockbuster, even though early polling indicates the kerfuffle will not damage Clinton's standing.  

Looking back, it's curious how the D.C. scandal machine could barely get out of first gear when the Bush email story broke in 2007.  I'm not suggesting the press ignored the Rove email debacle, because the story was clearly covered at the time. But triggering a firestorm (a guttural roar) that raged for days and consumed the Beltway chattering class the way the D.C. media has become obsessed with the Clinton email story?  Absolutely not. Not even close.

Instead, the millions of missing Bush White House emails were treated as a 24-hour or 48-hour story. It was a subject that was dutifully noted, and then the media pack quickly moved on.

How did the Washington Post and New York Times commentators deal with the Bush email scandal in the week following the confirmation of the missing messages? In his April 17, 2007 column, Post columnist Eugene Robinson hit the White House hard. But he was the only Post columnist to do so. On the editorial page, the Post cautioned that the story of millions of missing White House emails might not really be a "scandal." Instead, it was possible, the Post suggested, that Rove and others simply received "sloppy guidance" regarding email protocol.

There's been no such Post inclination to give Clinton any sort of benefit of the doubt regarding email use as the paper piles up endless attacks on her. Dana Milbank: "Clinton made a whopper of an error." Ruth Marcus: "This has the distinct odor of hogwash."  

As for The New York Times, here's the entirety of the newspaper's commentary on the Bush White House email story in the week following the revelation, according to Nexis:

Last week, the Republican National Committee threw up another roadblock, claiming it had lost four years' worth of e-mail messages by Karl Rove that were sent on a Republican Party account. Those messages, officials admitted, could include some about the United States attorneys. It is virtually impossible to erase e-mail messages fully, and the claims that they are gone are not credible.

Three sentences from a single, unsigned editorial. That's it. No Times columnists addressed the topic. By comparison, in the week since the Clinton story broke, the Times has published one editorial dedicated solely to the subject, and no less than five opinion columns addressing the controversy.

Just to repeat: In 2007, the story was about millions of missing White House emails that were sought in connection to a Congressional investigation. Yet somehow the archiving of Clinton's emails today requires exponentially more coverage, and exceedingly more critical coverage.

Of course, back in 2007 Fox News seemed utterly uninterested in the Bush email story days after the news broke. A search of Fox archives locates only one panel discussion about the story and it featured two guests accusing Democrats of engineering a "fishing expedition."

From then-Fox co-host, Fred Barnes: "I mean, deleted e-mails, who cares?"

Indeed.

*************

I've already posted this once, but apparently it didn't make a dent.  

Fact:  Colin Powell destroyed all his emails.  

Fact:  The Bush administration, in the midst of a criminal inquiry, "lost" 5 million emails.  Oops!  

The difference is that Hillary deleted classified emails in an effort to conceal she had received and passed on those same pieces of information from an unsecure network.

THAT is FACT.

nadalfan



Now this is getting comical

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/08/hillary-clinton-gowdy-committee-has-classified-server-docs-121621.html?ml=tl_2_b

10The Real Clinton Email Scandal Empty Re: The Real Clinton Email Scandal 8/21/2015, 10:32 pm

othershoe1030

othershoe1030

nadalfan wrote:Now this is getting comical

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/08/hillary-clinton-gowdy-committee-has-classified-server-docs-121621.html?ml=tl_2_b

I guess it could be comical if it weren't so down right pathetic. I mean I don't really like Hillary at all but it gets to the point where the Republicans just treat her like a punching bag. They have been conditioned from years of their own propaganda to hate her and Bill and just can't help themselves.

Why don't they just come out and simply say, you know, we just hate them and all we think they stand for instead of going through this song and dance about perhaps trying to preserve our national security or whatever the heck they are supposedly trying to establish here?

This is the sort of thing that causes many of us liberals to have "Clinton Fatigue" and I would not especially look forward to 4 or 8 years of high pitched whining, rending of garments and political tantrums that would be ushered in with her administration. Not that they are going to Love Bernie's administration either!!

11The Real Clinton Email Scandal Empty Re: The Real Clinton Email Scandal 8/21/2015, 10:55 pm

2seaoat



Now this is getting comical

It always has been.  Gomer sadly looks like he should be on Goonies......sloth

12The Real Clinton Email Scandal Empty Re: The Real Clinton Email Scandal 8/21/2015, 10:59 pm

Sal

Sal

There's a reckoning scheduled for Oct 22.

Markle

Markle

Salinsky wrote:There's a reckoning scheduled for Oct 22.

My guess is that by that time, "SOMETHING" will come up preventing her from testifying. Either that or she is going to demand that she will only testify if it is NOT under oath and a closed hearing.

By October 22, with more and more coming out about these emails daily she may well be indicted by that time.

2seaoat



What possible reason would she want to delay.   The delays have been intentional moves by Republican operatives to move this closer to election.  It should have been taken care of in June.

Sal

Sal

Markle is clueless as usual.

Hillary can't wait.

She'll chew Gomer up and spit him out.

2seaoat



“[Benghazi Chairman] Trey Gowdy treated emails, in this case, in the same way Hillary Clinton did, considering them unclassified and … storing them on unclassified computer systems,” Fallon said. “So in light of this I don’t really see what leg Congressman Gowdy has to stand on in his criticisms of Secretary Clinton on this point.”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/08/hillary-clinton-gowdy-committee-has-classified-server-docs-121621.html#ixzz3jXoDJkgX

Trey Gowdy:  SOS Clinton....did you know I was a lawyer......a trial lawyer?

Clinton:  yes

Trey Gowdy:  Now is not correct you received emails which were on a unsecured server, and were there not documents which subsequently became classified?

Clinton:  yes, I think you have some on your unsecured private server Gomer.

Guest


Guest

But I thght they weren't classified? Lol... and are you saying that gowdy transfered them to a private unauthorized server?

I didn't think so... lol. You really are desperate.

2seaoat



Nothing to be desperate about.   When I told you that Obama was a citizen.....you said I was desperate.......when I told you that the President or the SOS did nothing wrong in Benghazi which the multiple committees confirmed.....you said I was desperate.....when I told you that the IRS was doing their job and did nothing criminal......you said I was desperate.......when I told you Hillary broke NO law.......you say I am desperate.

The only desperation appears to be yours after failure after failure to not have bone chilling stupid propaganda not take with any rational thinking American....now stupid people.....well isn't that the point of the propaganda.....by the way.....did you know Gomer was a lawyer......he will remind us in October.   Tball.

Guest


Guest

I never chimed in on the birth certificate... his mother was a citizen.

The president and sos lied about benghazi. We know there was intelligence that detailed al quida activities. The video was a flat lie to cover up that fact and the incompetence that got four americans killed. The red cross and british had evacuated under duress.

Lerner both admitted wrong doing after planting a press question and then plead the fifth to avoid admitting it. We've also seen the irs and administration obfuscate the investigation... going to far as to destroy evidence (more emails lol).

But you left out running weapons to mexican criminal cartels... clapper lying about nsa information gathering... holder wiretapping and intimidating the press... etc. Guess what they all have in common? No accountability and purposeful obstruction.

You are a sad stewart for we the people. You have no interest in govt accountability unless it fits your politics.

Floridatexan

Floridatexan


It's "steward".

21The Real Clinton Email Scandal Empty Re: The Real Clinton Email Scandal 8/22/2015, 10:05 am

Sal

Sal

Still no fire, but a hell of a lot of bullshit artists blowing smoke.

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