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Criminal Inquiry Recommended in Hillary Email Scandal

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2seaoat



It is the lack of understanding of what constitutes a crime which is so silly.  Repeat a lie.......that seems to be the mantra of Republican witch hunts(plural), but in the end the Republicans cannot win on a platform so like a powerless terrorist in the middle east.....they strap a bomb on and blow themselves up.....splendid strategy.

Markle

Markle

2seaoat wrote:It is the lack of understanding of what constitutes a crime which is so silly.  Repeat a lie.......that seems to be the mantra of Republican witch hunts(plural), but in the end the Republicans cannot win on a platform so like a powerless terrorist in the middle east.....they strap a bomb on and blow themselves up.....splendid strategy.

When does Joe Biden jump in to replace Hillary?

2seaoat



When does Joe Biden jump in to replace Hillary?

Biden will be in the race.  It has nothing to do with this stupid thread and everything to do with his son asking him to run before he died.  It does not matter........a flathead catfish could beat any of the clown car occupants except Kasich........hey tell me more about that order the judge signed Friday......fricking ignorance that I would have to pay to get in a theater, I get it free here.....I did not think I could have this much fun.

Sal

Sal

I'm guessing Vince Foster has the missing emails?

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http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/hillary-clinton/fbi-investigating-security-hillary-clinton-emails-n404341

WASHINGTON — The FBI is looking into the security of the private email server that Hillary Rodham Clinton used when she was secretary of state.

The Washington Post also reported Tuesday that the FBI has asked Clinton lawyer David Kendall about the security of a thumb drive, containing copies of Clinton's emails, that Kendall possesses.

Sal

Sal

Security v Legality ....

scratch

Markle

Markle

2seaoat wrote:When does Joe Biden jump in to replace Hillary?

Biden will be in the race.  It has nothing to do with this stupid thread and everything to do with his son asking him to run before he died.  It does not matter........a flathead catfish could beat any of the clown car occupants except Kasich........hey tell me more about that order the judge signed Friday......fricking ignorance that I would have to pay to get in a theater, I get it free here.....I did not think I could have this much fun.

Of course it has nothing to do with this forum.

Hillary Clinton is going down in glorious flames. The thumb drive she gave to her attorney is going to play a part as well.

2seaoat



Nothing.....absolutely nothing......desperation behooves you.

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2seaoat wrote:Nothing.....absolutely nothing......desperation behooves you.

Nobody is questioning your devotion comrade. You are the baton twirler... all of the other leftists love you.

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http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/08/09/us/hillary-clinton-emails-take-long-path-to-controversy.html

Sal

Sal

Seems you'd be a little more circumspect before using the NYT as a source for this story.

Floridatexan

Floridatexan


What does it take to get through that thick skull? I already posted the editorial retraction...that's apparently not enough...so, here you go:

http://publiceditor.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/07/27/a-clinton-story-fraught-with-inaccuracies-how-it-happened-and-what-next/

A Clinton Story Fraught With Inaccuracies: How It Happened and What Next?


By MARGARET SULLIVAN JULY 27, 2015 10:00 AM July 27, 2015 10:00 am 1146 Comments

Updated: July 28, 2015 | The story certainly seemed like a blockbuster: A criminal investigation of Hillary Rodham Clinton by the Justice Department was being sought by two federal inspectors general over her email practices while secretary of state.

It’s hard to imagine a much more significant political story at this moment, given that she is the leading candidate for the Democratic nomination for president.

The story – a Times exclusive — appeared high on the home page and the mobile app late Thursday and on Friday and then was displayed with a three-column headline on the front page in Friday’s paper. The online headline read “Criminal Inquiry Sought in Hillary Clinton’s Use of Email,” very similar to the one in print.

But aspects of it began to unravel soon after it first went online. The first major change was this: It wasn’t really Mrs. Clinton directly who was the focus of the request for an investigation. It was more general: whether government information was handled improperly in connection with her use of a personal email account.

Much later, The Times backed off the startling characterization of a “criminal inquiry,” instead calling it something far tamer sounding: it was a “security” referral.

From Thursday night to Sunday morning – when a final correction appeared in print – the inaccuracies and changes in the story were handled as they came along, with little explanation to readers, other than routine corrections. The first change I mentioned above was written into the story for hours without a correction or any notice of the change, which was substantive.

And the evolving story, which began to include a new development, simply replaced the older version. That development was that several instances of classified information had been found in Mrs. Clinton’s personal email – although, in fairness, it’s doubtful whether the information was marked as classified when she sent or received those emails. Eventually, a number of corrections were appended to the online story, before appearing in print in the usual way – in small notices on Page A2.

But you can’t put stories like this back in the bottle – they ripple through the entire news system.

So it was, to put it mildly, a mess. As a result, I’ve been spending the last couple of days asking how this could happen and how something similar can be prevented in the future. I’ve spoken to the executive editor, Dean Baquet; to a top-ranking editor involved with the story, Matt Purdy; and to the two reporters, Matt Apuzzo and Michael S. Schmidt.

Meanwhile, I heard from readers, like Maria Cranor who wanted clarification and explanation on The Times’s “recent, and mystifying, coverage of the HRC emails. It appears that your reporters relied on leaks from the Gowdy committee to suggest that Clinton was involved in some kind of criminal malfeasance around the emails. The subsequent walk backs have not been effective, or encouraging. Please help us retain our wavering confidence in the Times’ political coverage!” (Her reference is to the Republican congressman, Trey Gowdy.)

Another reader, Paul Kingsley, demanded a refund for his Friday paper. “We all deserve one,” he wrote to me. And, complaining about the lack of transparency and the errors, he added:

1) please repost the original reporting;
2) provide an explanation as to how it made it to press and what was wrong.
3) what are you going to do to prevent such inaccurate bias in the future?
4) are you going to minimize using unnamed sources?

The story developed quickly on Thursday afternoon and evening, after tips from various sources, including on Capitol Hill. The reporters had what Mr. Purdy described as “multiple, reliable, highly placed sources,” including some “in law enforcement.” I think we can safely read that as the Justice Department.

The sources said not only was there indeed a referral but also that it was directed at Mrs. Clinton herself, and that it was a criminal referral. And that’s how The Times wrote it initially.

“We got it wrong because our very good sources had it wrong,” Mr. Purdy told me. “That’s an explanation, not an excuse. We have an obligation to get facts right and we work very hard to do that.”

By Friday afternoon, the Justice Department issued a terse statement, saying that there had been a referral related to the potential compromise of classified information, stating clearly that it was not a criminal referral. Mr. Purdy says he remains puzzled about why the initial inaccurate information was confirmed so clearly. (Update: Other news outlets also got confirmation of the criminal referral as they followed The Times’s story. They did not report, as an earlier version of this post suggested, that she herself was the target of the referral.)

There are at least two major journalistic problems here, in my view. Competitive pressure and the desire for a scoop led to too much speed and not enough caution. Mr. Purdy told me that the reporters, whom he described as excellent and experienced, were “sent back again and again” to seek confirmation of the key elements; but while no one would discuss the specifics of who the sources were, my sense is that final confirmation came from the same person more than once.

The reporters and editors were not able to see the referral itself, Mr. Purdy said, and that’s the norm in such cases; anything else would be highly unusual, he said. So they were relying on their sources’ interpretation of it. All at The Times emphasized that the core of the initial story – the request for an investigation – is true, and that it was major news, as was the later development.

Hindsight’s easy, but I’ll take a stab at it anyway. Here’s my take:

First, consider the elements. When you add together the lack of accountability that comes with anonymous sources, along with no ability to examine the referral itself, and then mix in the ever-faster pace of competitive reporting for the web, you’ve got a mistake waiting to happen. Or, in this case, several mistakes.

Reporting a less sensational version of the story, with a headline that did not include the word “criminal,” and continuing to develop it the next day would have been a wise play. Better yet: Waiting until the next day to publish anything at all.

Losing the story to another news outlet would have been a far, far better outcome than publishing an unfair story and damaging The Times’s reputation for accuracy.

What’s more, when mistakes inevitably happen, The Times needs to be much more transparent with readers about what is going on. Just revising the story, and figuring out the corrections later, doesn’t cut it.

Mr. Baquet, who is a former Times Washington bureau chief, told me Sunday by phone that he faults himself on this score, and he would do it differently now.

“We should have explained to our readers right away what happened here, as soon as we knew it,” he said. That could have been in an editor’s note or in a story, or in some other form, he said.

“The readers of The New York Times got whipsawed,” by all the conflicting reports and criticism, he said.

He agreed, as Mr. Purdy did, that special care has to come with the use of anonymous sources, but he believes that the errors here “may have been unavoidable.” And Mr. Purdy said that he thought The Times probably took too long to append a correction in the first instance.

But, Mr. Baquet said, he does not fault the reporters or editors directly involved.

“You had the government confirming that it was a criminal referral,” Mr. Baquet said. “I’m not sure what they could have done differently on that.”

None of this should be used to deny the importance of The Times’s reporting on the subject of Mrs. Clinton’s email practices at the State Department, a story Mr. Schmidt broke in March. Although her partisans want the focus shifted to these errors, the fact remains that her secret email system hamstrung possible inquiries into her conduct while secretary of state both by the news media and the public under the Freedom of Information Act and by Congress. And her awarding to herself the first cull of those emails will make suspicion about what they contained a permanent part of the current campaign.

Nevertheless, the most recent story is both a messy and a regrettable chapter. It brings up important issues that demand to be thought about and discussed internally with an eye to prevention in the future.

Mr. Baquet and Mr. Purdy said that would happen, especially on the issue of transparency to readers. In my view, that discussion must also include the rampant use of anonymous sources, and the need to slow down and employ what might seem an excess of caution before publishing a political blockbuster based on shadowy sources.

I’ll summarize my prescription in four words: Less speed. More transparency.

After all, readers come to The Times not for a scoop, though those can be great, but for fair, authoritative and accurate information. And when things do go wrong, readers deserve a thorough, immediate explanation from the top. None of that happened here.

(Update: An editors’ note, explaining the errors and stating that corrections should have been handled differently, was published late Monday, and appeared in Tuesday’s paper on page A2.)


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Inserting the word criminal into the ig request to investigate something that is in fact criminal doesn't erase the act.

Sorry comrade.

2seaoat



PK please explain why the criminal statute you cite has the words intent and authority inserted and do you understand why she will NEVER be found beyond a reasonable doubt guilty that she committed a crime.  Do you understand that the only thing against the law is the leaks from Gomer to the press which have been inaccurate and intended to damage a politician.

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The sos position by it's very nature handles multilayer classified correspondence...

it's willful ignorance to think otherwise.

Further... each govt employee and bureaucrat that exchanged emails with her knew that she was not in compliance.

2seaoat



Not being in compliance is not criminal and these bogus attempts to bootstrap the same to criminal by illegal leaks to the media is disgraceful.  Do you not see how these leaks are toxic and inaccurate?

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It's really pretty simple if you'll take your partisan blinders off for just a moment.

She violated the Federal Records Act, FOIA Freedom of Information Act, and NARA National Archives and Records Act

The criminal aspect for the classified information:

Section 1924 of Title 18 of the US Crimes and Criminal Procedures Code

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1924

(a) Whoever, being an officer, employee, contractor, or consultant of the United States, and, by virtue of his office, employment, position, or contract, becomes possessed of documents or materials containing classified information of the United States, knowingly removes such documents or materials without authority and with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than one year, or both.

(b) For purposes of this section, the provision of documents and materials to the Congress shall not constitute an offense under subsection (a).

(c) In this section, the term “classified information of the United States” means information originated, owned, or possessed by the United States Government concerning the national defense or foreign relations of the United States that has been determined pursuant to law or Executive order to require protection against unauthorized disclosure in the interests of national security.

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Who here among us could get away with destroying evidence during a govt investigation?

Not to mention maintain the support of their party to become the next president of the united states of america?

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http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/09/politics/hillary-clinton-email-certified-court/

Finally a little msm press. But we already know this to be false... because blumenthal turned over emails she didn't.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2015/08/hillary-clinton-certifies-email-handover-but-aides-212074.html

Two of her aides have failed to certify under the threat of perjury that they have fully complied w the law.

boards of FL

boards of FL

PkrBum wrote:Who here among us could get away with destroying evidence during a govt investigation?

Not to mention maintain the support of their party to become the next president of the united states of america?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_White_House_email_controversy

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/03/colin-powell-hillary-clinton-email-state-department-115870.html


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boards of FL wrote:
PkrBum wrote:Who here among us could get away with destroying evidence during a govt investigation?

Not to mention maintain the support of their party to become the next president of the united states of america?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_White_House_email_controversy

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/03/colin-powell-hillary-clinton-email-state-department-115870.html


"WHO HERE AMONG US"... until we ALL start demanding transparency and accountability we will never have it.

Did you keep that reading comprehension link?

polecat

polecat

Criminal Inquiry Recommended in Hillary Email Scandal - Page 3 11825958_873167422732499_7817006686710955410_n

Sal

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"... the court orders the government to request ..."

Too funny ...

... what a fishing expedition.

boards of FL

boards of FL

PkrBum wrote:
boards of FL wrote:
PkrBum wrote:Who here among us could get away with destroying evidence during a govt investigation?

Not to mention maintain the support of their party to become the next president of the united states of america?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_White_House_email_controversy

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/03/colin-powell-hillary-clinton-email-state-department-115870.html


"WHO HERE AMONG US"... until we ALL start demanding transparency and accountability we will never have it.

Did you keep that reading comprehension link?



I think the better question is can you name any policy that you support?

Do you vote based upon fabricated media 'scandals' or policy?


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(moved here due to swiftboating)

Barbara Wells, an attorney for Denver-based computer services firm Platte River Networks, which took control of Clinton's server after their private email network was updated in 2013, told The Washington Post that federal agents picked up the private server from a data center in New Jersey on Wednesday, but that the server "was blank" and did not contain any useful information.

"The information had been migrated over to a different server for purposes of transition," Wells told the Post. "To my knowledge, the data on the old server is not available now on any servers or devices in Platte River Network's control."

I wonder about some other aspects (not that I have any delusion that justice will be served).

Who removed the security designations on the classified emails and when.

What clearance were the insiders that privately determined which of the emails were private or public.

What clearance does platte network have and was it aware of the nature of the contents of the server.

Who authorized them to transfer and to then presumably destroy the information.

If they had the necessary clearance... it's likely they were required to both report and seek permission.

It seems like hillary has deliberately developed some layers to try to insulate herself. She claimed convenience originally as a rational... but this arrangement was specific in it's nature and intent. To circumvent inspection and accountability... and maintain a pretense of plausible deniability for the useful idiots. If she survives this politically... it says much more about her supporters than anything we didn't already know about her.

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