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UPDATE 8/19/2015 Impossible to comprehend. UN-Iran deal will let Tehran inspect site where it allegedly worked on nukes

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Markle

Markle

No big surprise with a weakling negotiating but, as this wise editorial says, it is:  
Worse than we could have imagined

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When asked Wednesday at his news conference why there is nothing in the deal about the American hostages being held by Iran, President Obama explained that this is a separate issue, not part of nuclear talks.

Are conventional weapons not a separate issue? After all, conventional, by definition, means non-nuclear. Why are we giving up the embargoes?

Because Iran, joined by Russia — our “reset” partner — sprung the demand at the last minute, calculating that Obama and Secretary of State John Kerry were so desperate for a deal that they would cave. They did. And have convinced themselves that they scored a victory by delaying the lifting by five to eight years. (Ostensibly. The language is murky. The interval could be considerably shorter.)

Read more:  http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/worse-than-we-could-have-imagined/2015/07/16/aa320b42-2bf0-11e5-bd33-395c05608059_story.html?postshare=8231437135720665



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knothead

knothead

Oh we should go to war without question . . . . . . to heck with diplomacy!
You are pitiful . . . .

2seaoat



How do you expect ISIS to be defeated?  When Israel gave tacit approval to the Saudis to fund ISIS, the goal was to reengage American troops in the region.  It has been the shia led militias led by Iranian military which have been taking back ground from ISIS.....Ever ask the question why ISIS has not attacked Israel?  Of course not.....you think the American people are stupid......the conventional weapons should not have been part of a nuclear arms treaty anymore than the hostages......When America begins dealing with terrorists for hostages, no American will be safe.....are you really this challenged Mr. Markle?

Markle

Markle

2seaoat wrote:How do you expect ISIS to be defeated?  When Israel gave tacit approval to the Saudis to fund ISIS, the goal was to reengage American troops in the region.  It has been the shia led militias led by Iranian military which have been taking back ground from ISIS.....Ever ask the question why ISIS has not attacked Israel?  Of course not.....you think the American people are stupid......the conventional weapons should not have been part of a nuclear arms treaty anymore than the hostages......When America begins dealing with terrorists for hostages, no American will be safe.....are you really this challenged Mr. Markle?

You need to catch up. Maybe a little more reading of good sites as opposed to your rambling word salads.

Israel has been attacked by ISIS.

Markle

Markle

knothead wrote:Oh we should go to war without question . . . . . . to heck with diplomacy!
You are pitiful . . . .

Again, nothing of value. Why do you bother?

2seaoat



Israel has been attacked by ISIS.

Nonsense......I mean attacked, not pretend attacks.......you know all those foreign fighters losing their lives against the Devil......nothing honey.....nothing.

knothead

knothead

Markle wrote:
knothead wrote:Oh we should go to war without question . . . . . . to heck with diplomacy!
You are pitiful . . . .

Again, nothing of value.  Why do you bother?

Nothing of value? May I suggest one of your like minded brethren make their case with a back drop of . . . . . say Arlington where so many have given the ultimate sacrifice . . . . . . you are an old fart so you use braggadocio because it won't be your sorry ass pounding sand . . . . . . . diplomacy first (thank you Mr. President) and give peace a chance!

ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

That piece was written by Charles Krauthammer ("Cabbage Pounder" in English); a pro-Zionist wingnut. It should surprise no one that semi-demented poster Markle would laud OpEds  written by him......

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ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

knothead wrote:diplomacy first (thank you Mr. President) and give peace a chance!

cheerscheerscheerscheerscheers

Yes; you sure wouldn't see Krauthammer's ass on the line with a rifle in his hand.

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Markle

Markle

2seaoat wrote:Israel has been attacked by ISIS.

Nonsense......I mean attacked, not pretend attacks.......you know all those foreign fighters losing their lives against the Devil......nothing honey.....nothing.

Is the attack on Chattanooga a pretend attack too?

Guest


Guest

by knothead Today at 3:37 am
Oh we should go to war without question . . . . . . to heck with diplomacy!
You are pitiful . . . .


Does that include appeasement diplomacy?

ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

Markle wrote:Is the attack on Chattanooga a pretend attack too?

Semi-demented poster Markle---linking the Chattanooga shootings to the Iran deal. Black is white....White is black....

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Guest


Guest

Hey it's analogous

2seaoat



Hey it's analogous

A monkey might connect that analogy....most humans will not.

ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

Demssuck wrote:Hey it's analogous

No, it is one of those "red herring" arguments that poster KarlRove used to post about.... BTW, you happen to know Karl, dontcha? In fact, you seem to be impersonating him.....  Question

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Guest

knothead wrote:
Markle wrote:
knothead wrote:Oh we should go to war without question . . . . . . to heck with diplomacy!
You are pitiful . . . .

Again, nothing of value.  Why do you bother?

Nothing of value? May I suggest one of your like minded brethren make their case with a back drop of  . . . . . say Arlington where so many have given the ultimate sacrifice . . . . . . you are an old fart so you use braggadocio because it won't be your sorry ass pounding sand . . . . . . . diplomacy first (thank you Mr. President) and give peace a chance!

Yeah that's what we need diplomacy... Like you taking offence over my calling someone cunt but saying nothing about someone earlier in the same discussion saying 'Fuck that piece of shit' about that guy I have screaming and kicking at the locked cellar door...

*****YOU'RE NOTHING BUT A DICK SUCKING PROGRESSIVE LAPDOG*****

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Neutral

Guest


Guest

There will be war... not necessarily in iran. But iran will expand their proxy wars and that collateral damage is on obama and the useful idiots that think iran can be trusted. Their influence and support of terrorism will continue to grow and cost innocent lives.

Guest


Guest

"If we don't do this deal, if Congress says no to this deal, then there will be no restraints on Iran," Kerry said on Face the Nation. "There will be no sanctions left. Our friends in this effort will desert us. We will be viewed as having killed the opportunity to stop them from having a weapon," he said

A flat lie... this agreement is a direct cooperative path to a legitimized and sanctioned nuclear power.

Congratulations comrades.

boards of FL

boards of FL

PkrBum wrote:"If we don't do this deal, if Congress says no to this deal, then there will be no restraints on Iran," Kerry said on Face the Nation. "There will be no sanctions left. Our friends in this effort will desert us. We will be viewed as having killed the opportunity to stop them from having a weapon," he said

A flat lie... this agreement is a direct cooperative path to a legitimized and sanctioned nuclear power.

Congratulations comrades.



Were you ever able to come up with an alternative to the Iran deal that you support?


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Markle

Markle

boards of FL wrote:
PkrBum wrote:"If we don't do this deal, if Congress says no to this deal, then there will be no restraints on Iran," Kerry said on Face the Nation. "There will be no sanctions left. Our friends in this effort will desert us. We will be viewed as having killed the opportunity to stop them from having a weapon," he said

A flat lie... this agreement is a direct cooperative path to a legitimized and sanctioned nuclear power.

Congratulations comrades.



Were you ever able to come up with an alternative to the Iran deal that you support?  

The collapse of the Iran "deal" began when semi-retired President Obama took office and went on a worldwide apology tour and has not slowed down since. He deeply believes that the might and greatness of the United States is the whole problem with the world.

Guest


Guest

boards of FL wrote:
PkrBum wrote:"If we don't do this deal, if Congress says no to this deal, then there will be no restraints on Iran," Kerry said on Face the Nation. "There will be no sanctions left. Our friends in this effort will desert us. We will be viewed as having killed the opportunity to stop them from having a weapon," he said

A flat lie... this agreement is a direct cooperative path to a legitimized and sanctioned nuclear power.

Congratulations comrades.



Were you ever able to come up with an alternative to the Iran deal that you support?  

Obama could turn them into a giant glass parking lot and build the first World Class Wal Mart for all of Asia to enjoy. He didn't have any problem attempting to turn Libya into such, without Congressional approval, in Africa.

*****HAVE YOU 'REPLACED' BRAIN YET?*****

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Neutral

ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

Markle wrote:The collapse of the Iran "deal" began when semi-retired President Obama took office and went on a worldwide apology tour and has not slowed down since.  He deeply believes that the might and greatness of the United States is the whole problem with the world.

Semi-demented poster Markle's propaganda is so silly.....

President Obama's foreign policy accomplishments make George W. Bush's presidency look like the train-wreck that it was... Iran's nuclear program is curbed without military action..... The old Cold War feud between Cuba and the United States ends today, with the re-establishment of diplomatic ties with Cuba.... Bush43 didn't have the wits or savvy to do any of this.

It must suck to support a losing team all of the time! Laughing

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Guest

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/obamas-secret-iran-deals-exposed/2015/07/27/26d14dbc-3460-11e5-8e66-07b4603ec92a_story.html

President Obama promised that his nuclear deal with Iran would not be “based on trust” but rather “unprecedented verification.” Now it turns out Obama’s verification regime is based on trust after all — trust in two secret side agreements negotiated exclusively between Iran and the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) that apparently no one (including the Obama administration) has seen.

Worse, Obama didn’t even reveal the existence of these secret side deals to Congress when he transmitted the nuclear accord to Capitol Hill. The agreements were uncovered, completely by chance, by two members of Congress — Rep. Mike Pompeo (R-Kan.) and Sen. Tom Cotton (R-Ark.) — who were in Vienna meeting with the U.N.-releated agency.

In an interview, Pompeo told me that he and Cotton were meeting with the deputy director of the IAEA and the agency’s two top Iran negotiators just days after the nuclear accord was announced, when they asked how the agency will carry out verification at the Iranian military complex at Parchin. IAEA officials told them, quite casually, that the details were all covered in agreements negotiated between the IAEA and the Iranian government. It was the first they had heard of the side deals.

Pompeo says they asked whether they could see those agreements. He says IAEA officials replied, “ ‘Oh no, of course not, no, you’re not going to get to see those.’ And so everybody on our side of the table asked, ‘Has Secretary Kerry seen these?’ ‘No, Secretary Kerry hasn’t seen them. No American is ever going to get to see them.’ ”

It turns out that only the two parties — the IAEA and Iran —get to see the actual agreements (though you can see a picture of Iranian and IAEA officials holding up what appear to be the secret accords here).

knothead

knothead

appeasement diplomacy


Is it just me or does this smack of right wing bias/talking point/red meat, etc., etc., etc. . . . . ?

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

What is the Bill O'Reilly/Markle proposal with how to deal with Iran,  Markle?

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