25+ threats of eliminating Israel that Iran has made...and this doofus in DC wants to give Iran nukes

http://www.danielpipes.org/15860/iran-israel-nuclear-threats

Here are the contents of the two pages Mr. Pipes showed the camera:


1. Iran finances and provides arms to Hamas which periodically attacks Israel.

2. Iran finances and provides arms to Hezbollah which periodically attacks Israel.

3. Khomeini called for "wiping Israel out of existence" on coming to power in. (1979)

4. Mohammad Khatami, president of Iran: "If we abide by real legal laws, we should mobilize the whole Islamic world for a sharp confrontation with the Zionist regime … if we abide by the Koran, all of us should mobilize to kill." (2000)

5. Ayatollah Ali Khamenei: "It is the mission of the Islamic Republic of Iran to erase Israel from the map of the region." (2001)

6. Hassan Nasrallah, a leader of Hezbollah: "If they [Jews] all gather in Israel, it will save us the trouble of going after them worldwide." (2002)

7. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, president of Iran: he repeatedly called for Israel to be "wiped off the map." (2005)

8. Nasrallah: "Israel is our enemy. This is an aggressive, illegal, and illegitimate entity, which has no future in our land. Its destiny is manifested in our motto: 'Death to Israel.'" (2005)

9. Yahya Rahim Safavi, commander of Iran's Revolutionary Guard Corps: "With God's help the time has come for the Zionist regime's death sentence." (2008)

10. Mohammad Hassan Rahimian, Khamenei's representative to the Moustazafan Foundation: "We have manufactured missiles that allow us, when necessary to replace [sic] Israel in its entirety with a big holocaust." (2010)

11. Mohammad Reza Naqdi, the commander of the Basij paramilitary force: "We recommend them [the Zionists] to pack their furniture and return to their countries. And if they insist on staying, they should know that a time while arrive when they will not even have time to pack their suitcases." (2011)

12. Khamenei: "The Zionist regime is a cancerous tumor that will be removed." (2012)

13. Ahmad Alamolhoda, a member of the Assembly of Experts: "The destruction of Israel is the idea of the Islamic Revolution in Iran and is one of the pillars of the Iranian Islamic regime. We cannot claim that we have no intention of going to war with Israel." (2013)

14. Nasrallah: "The elimination of Israel is not only a Palestinian interest. It is the interest of the entire Muslim world and the entire Arab world." (2013)

15. Hojateleslam Alireza Panahian, the advisor to Office of the Supreme Leader in Universities: "The day will come when the Islamic people in the region will destroy Israel and save the world from this Zionist base." (2013)

16. Hojatoleslam Ali Shirazi, Khamenei's representative in the Revolutionary Guard: "The Zionist regime will soon be destroyed, and this generation will be witness to its destruction." (2013)

17. Khamenei: "This barbaric, wolflike & infanticidal regime of Israel which spares no crime has no cure but to be annihilated." (2014)

18. Hossein Salami, the deputy head of the Revolutionary Guard: "We will chase you [Israelis] house to house and will take revenge for every drop of blood of our martyrs in Palestine, and this is the beginning point of Islamic nations awakening for your defeat." (2014)

19. Salami: "Today we are aware of how the Zionist regime is slowly being erased from the world, and indeed, soon, there will be no such thing as the Zionist regime on Planet Earth." (2014)

20. Hossein Sheikholeslam, the secretary-general of the Committee for Support for the Palestinian Intifada: "The issue of Israel's destruction is important, no matter the method. We will obviously implement the strategy of the Imam Khomeini and the Leader on the issue of destroying the Zionists." (2014)

21. Khamene'i called for Israel to be "annihilated." (November 10, 2014)

22. Mohammad Ali Jafari, the commander-in-chief of the Revolutionary Guard: "The Revolutionary Guards will fight to the end of the Zionist regime ... We will not rest easy until this epitome of vice is totally deleted from the region's geopolitics." (2015)

23. Mujtaba du Al-Nour, a senior figure in the Iranian Revolutionary Guards: Iran has rockets that can reach the heart of Tel-Aviv within six or seven minutes after being given the go ahead by the Supreme Guide, "even before the dust of rockets of the Zionists reach us". (February 23, 2015)

24. General Mohammad Reza Naqdi, commander of Iran's Basij militia in late March 2015: "Wiping Israel off the map is not up for negotiation." (April 1, 2015)

25. Mojtaba Zolnour, a Khamenei representative in the IRGC: The "government of the Islamic Republic of Iran has divine permission to destroy Israel. … The Noble Koran permits the Islamic Republic of Iran to destroy Israel. … Even if Iran gives up its nuclear program, it will not weaken this country's determination to destroy Israel." (May 12, 2015)

Iran has had the capability to use dirty bombs to destroy Israel for over ten years. This has not happened.

Well if Iran is the worst enemy to the U.S. since Nazi Germany,  then splain somethin to me,  Lucy.

As we speak,  ISIS (the ones who want to behead you, Karl, cause you don't believe in god) is in the process of overrunning Iraq.  

And,  and this is the kicker,  the two countries most trying to prevent this from happening are America and,  you guessed it,  the evil Iran.  We're actually sharing some military knowledge with the evil Iran because they're allied with us to push out the Sunnis.

Why?  Because that bush hayseed established a shia government for Iraq which shut out all sunni participation.  That's what gave birth to ISIS,  Karl.  It didn't even exist until that. It was created as a direct response to that.

2seaoat wrote:Iran has had the capability to use dirty bombs to destroy Israel for over ten years.   This has not happened.

Dirty bombs aren't effective for what they want to do.

Okay let me try to put it another way.

Iraq and the United States have one thing in common.
Both are deeply divided into two factions.
With us,  it's the conservatives vs liberals.  With Iraq,  it's the sunni vs shia.

Think about it this way,  Karl.  What if either Iraq or Iran invaded our country and then  threw out the conservative government and replaced it with a liberal government and propped up that liberal government with both money and military to keep it in power.  And it shut out conservatives from all power.

The question is,  would you as a conservative American not fight against that to the death?  Would you not want to use all the violence you could muster to kill the fuckers doing that?
So why shouldn't ISIS want to do that too?

ISIS has disposable foreign fighters who would love to attack Israel and would gladly get their virgins.....but tell me Pace....why has the leadership not attacked Israel when they are only miles from the border......there is an answer....but you will not like it.

Bob wrote:Okay let me try to put it another way.

Iraq and the United States have one thing in common.
Both are deeply divided into two factions.
With us,  it's the conservatives vs liberals.  With Iraq,  it's the sunni vs shia.

Think about it this way,  Karl.  What if either Iraq or Iran invaded our country and then  threw out the conservative government and replaced it with a liberal government and propped up that liberal government with both money and military to keep it in power.  And it shut out conservatives from all power.

The question is,  would you as a conservative American not fight against that to the death?  Would you not want to use all the violence you could muster to kill the fuckers doing that?
So why shouldn't ISIS want to do that too?

Neither Conservatives nor liberals are bombing each other's churches or lopping the heads off of each other. There's your difference pole smoker.

2seaoat wrote:ISIS has disposable foreign fighters who would love to attack Israel and would gladly get their virgins.....but tell me Pace....why has the leadership not attacked Israel when they are only miles from the border......there is an answer....but you will not like it.

I answered your question. Reread.

KarlRove wrote:

Neither Conservatives nor liberals are bombing each other's churches or lopping the heads off of each other. There's your difference pole smoker.

"Pole smoker" lol

You totally missed the whole point, Karl. It's almost like you were driving down the Las Vegas Strip and missed seeing the casinos. Or you were driving through Chumuckla and missed seeing the rednecks.
It's hopeless. lol

Saudi Arabia and Israel have an advantage when ISIS is racking havoc in the region. This group has received funding........the Saudis have been shown to have funded them......the Israelis are far too clever to make that mistake with obvious implications in America, but it is well known that the Saudis and Israelis are no friend to Iran.....and a weakened Shia controlled Iraq is a win for both nations. So when Tom Cotton decides to be a shill for Israel, he is either so uneducated on foreign policy, or so bought off that he does not see that Iran is not our enemy, rather our enemy is being manipulated to waste our wealth and blood on a fight with Iran......where we have no critical American interest.

If you're gonna try to get a handle on all this you really need to go beyond the politican/media talking points.

The big picture is this region of the world just happened to be sitting on most of the easily obtained oil.  That's the starting point.
If it wasn't for that,  we would still know Iraq and Afghanistan only as that mysterious place where we got "persian rugs".  Nothing else.

So,  since that region possessed the fuel necessary to keep the western world's economies growing,  the western world needed power and control over it.

It's really not that much different a scenario than how Europe interacted with the "new world" a few centuries earlier.  It muscled it's way to having influence and power over it. Again, mostly to have control over it's resources.
And just as the American natives resisted that,  so are the middle easterners.  

So now we have a 60 year history of this clusterfuck and it's still in full swing.  
Unfortunately,  it's gone on too long now for there to ever be any good solutions to this.  No matter if community organizers or Alaskan moose hunters are at the helm making the decisions.

Oh and yes there's a little side feud going too to make the whole really horrible situation even worse. Of course that's the The Israel vs Palestine thing.

My god that makes the Hatfields vs the McCoys look like a lovefest. That's a fucking thousands of years old feud.

When you mix what I outlined in the last post with the longest and worst territorial fued in world history; not to mention that feud is rooted in the most adversarial version of religion in world history; then whaddaya expect?

Let's put it this way. It's just as crazy as anything that happened during Rome's 600 year history. In fact it's in some ways just the followup to all that craziness.

If nothing else, we're all living in interesting and exciting times.

I'm not sure I'd characterize it as a "little side feud", Bob.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/fire-at-every-person-you-see-israeli-soldiers-reveal-they-were-ordered-to-shoot-to-kill-in-gaza--even-if-the-targets-may-have-been-civilians-10223427.html

"...“The guiding military principle of ‘minimum risk to our forces, even at the cost of harming innocent civilians,’ alongside efforts to deter and intimidate the Palestinians, led to massive and unprecedented harm to the population and the civilian infrastructure in the Gaza Strip. Policymakers could have predicted these results prior to the operation and were surely aware of them throughout.”

Chief among Breaking the Silence’s findings is that the IDF watered down the rules of engagement such that any person in a combat zone was considered an enemy threat.

“Many of the soldiers testified that the rules of engagement they were provided with before the ground incursion into Gaza were unclear and lenient. The soldiers were briefed by their commanders to fire at every person they identified in a combat zone, since the working assumption was that every person in the field was an enemy,” Breaking the Silence claims..."

(photos at site)

Cold War days we had nukes and the Russians had nukes.  No shots fired.  

Arm everyone, make them feel secure, everyone can turn their attention to more pressing matters.

With everything going on in the last 10 to 20 years has anyone who posts here "in all heightened alertness*" gone without gasoline for their car?  Food on the table?  Money in the bank?  A job?

Yes, many outside of this group of folks, who are sitting pretty in their life, do go without but it's not because of happenings in the Middle East.

Israel used to kill their enemy with a stone to the forehead.  If there is a will there is a way.  We need to step out of the way.

*scaredy cats

You really have no clue, do you?

Back to the title of this thread...the idea of a negotiated settlement is to monitor Iran's nuclear capability, not "give Iran nukes". Not start another war of aggression...not fight Israel's battles for them...not enrich the warmongering profiteers.

That's hilarious. When I moved to Pensacola in late '79, I remember that Scenic Hills Country Club wouldn't allow Jewish members.

[quote="Floridatexan"]
Back to the title of this thread...the idea of a negotiated settlement is to monitor Iran's nuclear capability, not "give Iran nukes".  Not start another war of aggression...not fight Israel's battles for them...not enrich the warmongering profiteers.[/quote

Khameini has given the world a giant FU to any monitoring or have you not been following the news?

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:

Floridatexan wrote:
Back to the title of this thread...the idea of a negotiated settlement is to monitor Iran's nuclear capability, not "give Iran nukes".  Not start another war of aggression...not fight Israel's battles for them...not enrich the warmongering profiteers.

Your analogy is lost on Karl, FT. He is more loyal to Israel than he is to America. You have to understand how evangelicals treat Zionist Israel. They are afraid if we let anything bad happen to Israel, then God will smite the USA. Any outrageous behavior by Israel against the peoples surrounding their country is justified in the eyes of most evangelicals. The country can do no wrong in their eyes.

History has shown that nations who turned against the Jews have fallen. You might want to reread your books.

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:

KarlRove wrote:

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:

Floridatexan wrote:
Back to the title of this thread...the idea of a negotiated settlement is to monitor Iran's nuclear capability, not "give Iran nukes".  Not start another war of aggression...not fight Israel's battles for them...not enrich the warmongering profiteers.

Your analogy is lost on Karl, FT. He is more loyal to Israel than he is to America. You have to understand how evangelicals treat Zionist Israel. They are afraid if we let anything bad happen to Israel, then God will smite the USA. Any outrageous behavior by Israel against the peoples surrounding their country is justified in the eyes of most evangelicals. The country can do no wrong in their eyes.

History has shown that nations who turned against the Jews have fallen. You might want to reread your books.

See what I mean......? Karl would have Bibi Netanyahu dictating orders to our president and would become upset if our president didn't roll-over and kiss Bibi's ass. I am so proud of Obama for not allowing this to happen and I hope he continues to give the petulant Israeli PM the cold shoulder.

Brilliant foreign policy. Screw our best friends and suck up to our enemies!